CPU Shopping! Help!

[SteeleGamer]

Hi, I am looking for a new cpu, because my current cpu is going to "bottleneck" the Poseidon Geforce GTX 780 my friend is going to give me.I know I need an AM3+ socket cpu, and my current cpu is a AMD FX-6300 @ 3.5GHz. Please don't have the "AMD vs Intel" argument, I bought a pre-built computer that was good for upgrading. So, can you guys tell me what to look for in a cpu, and could you guys pick a good cpu that will be optimal for my configuration.

In my PC there is:

8GB DDR3 1333 RAM (2 sticks)

500GB SATAII 7200RPM

AMD FX-6300 @ 3.5GHz (6 cores) (64 bit)

24x DVD+/-R, DVD+/-RW Dual Layer Drive

 Poseidon Geforce GTX 780 3GB

Raidmax Viper (case)

90mm LED Fan

2 120mm LED Fan

1 120mm Fan

AMD 760G Chipset MotherBoard

Stock CPU Fan

*Looking for a new PSU*

[flibberdipper]

AMD FX 8320. But I wouldn't want to run it on that motherboard.

[colec18]

An FX-8350 shouldn't bottle neck a 780  and should work on a 760g chip-set.

[GzeroD]

I would just overclock the 6300 a bit and save up for the next build, your not going to be that held back by a 6300 at say 4.1 to 4.4GHz and with any decent aftermarket cooler it shouldn't be hard to get it to run in that range.

[Degraximus]

Dont buy a new cpu. Just buy a good (maybe even water if you want the best results) cooler and overclock it. And i think your cpu can run together with 780 pretty well even w/o OCing. If you really have too much money you can either go for a i5 4690k or i7 4790k.

Edit: i think you cant OC on your mobo. And you should state the price range for tje PSU.

[Faceman]

You are going to have to buy a new motherboard anyways even if you want to upgrade to the 8320.

 

You have two options as I see it:

 

#1:  Stay with what you have right now and live with it until you get more money for an upgrade.  You will experience a bottleneck with a FX6300 + GTX 780, heck, even with an 8320 you will experience a bottleneck with the 780.

 

#2:  Because you have to buy a new motherboard, and you are going to experience a bottleneck, you have to switch to Intel.  Purchase an i5-4670k/4690k + Z87/97 motherboard and everything will work in perfect harmony.  No bottlenecks, and vastly superior all-around performance.

[GzeroD]

a 760g should still have basic overclocking when I had my x3 720BE I could overclock it.

 

 

You are going to have to buy a new motherboard anyways even if you want to upgrade to the 8320.

 

You have two options as I see it:

 

#1:  Stay with what you have right now and live with it until you get more money for an upgrade.  You will experience a bottleneck with a FX6300 + GTX 780, heck, even with an 8320 you will experience a bottleneck with the 780.

 

#2:  Because you have to buy a new motherboard, and you are going to experience a bottleneck, you have to switch to Intel.  Purchase an i5-4670k/4690k + Z87/97 motherboard and everything will work in perfect harmony.  No bottlenecks, and vastly superior all-around performance.

 

if you are going to need to do a major upgrade this is pretty much spot on.

[thebennyboy]

You are going to have to buy a new motherboard anyways even if you want to upgrade to the 8320.

 

You have two options as I see it:

 

#1:  Stay with what you have right now and live with it until you get more money for an upgrade.  You will experience a bottleneck with a FX6300 + GTX 780, heck, even with an 8320 you will experience a bottleneck with the 780.

 

#2:  Because you have to buy a new motherboard, and you are going to experience a bottleneck, you have to switch to Intel.  Purchase an i5-4670k/4690k + Z87/97 motherboard and everything will work in perfect harmony.  No bottlenecks, and vastly superior all-around performance.

 

That is a pretty large generalisation. No it won't physically bottleneck a 780, an 8320 probably wouldn't even bottleneck two 780's in SLI. It is dependant on what games you are playing, single threaded games then yes there is a bottleneck but not a very large one. Multi-threaded, no there isn't a bottleneck. The OP would however need a different motherboard for an 8320 as the power phasing wouldn't be up to the job.

[GzeroD]

That is a pretty large generalisation. No it won't physically bottleneck a 780, an 8320 probably wouldn't even bottleneck two 780's in SLI. It is dependant on what games you are playing, single threaded games then yes there is a bottleneck but not a very large one. Multi-threaded, no there isn't a bottleneck. The OP would however need a different motherboard for an 8320 as the power phasing wouldn't be up to the job.

The problem is that when you get a bottleneck due to CPU it is usually when the most stuff is going on (generally known  as the worst time to slow down) it was a moderate to big problem with my old 6100 (might have been a 6200)  depending on the game but a moderate overclock generally made brought it well into playable territory. 

 

Although I do not / have not at any point regretted my decision to switch to an unlocked i5 over AMD CPU simply because of all of that single threaded performance advantage.

[Faa]

That is a pretty large generalisation. No it won't physically bottleneck a 780, an 8320 probably wouldn't even bottleneck two 780's in SLI. It is dependant on what games you are playing, single threaded games then yes there is a bottleneck but not a very large one. Multi-threaded, no there isn't a bottleneck. The OP would however need a different motherboard for an 8320 as the power phasing wouldn't be up to the job.

Explain me why the gpu's didnt want to go above 70%

Here around 1:40 it sits at 60-70% load with 45 fps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzyrBOMgG6o

@Op you're better off with a i5 than a 8320. 8320's won't make the difference.

 

 

a 760g should still have basic overclocking when I had my x3 720BE I could overclock it.

 

 

 

if you are going to need to do a major upgrade this is pretty much spot on.

He has a 780 already, 8320's won't always saturate enough of it.

[thebennyboy]

The problem is that when you get a bottleneck due to CPU it is usually when the most stuff is going on (generally known  as the worst time to slow down) it was a moderate to big problem with my old 6100 (might have been a 6200)  depending on the game but a moderate overclock generally made brought it well into playable territory. 

 

Although I do not / have not at any point regretted my decision to switch to an unlocked i5 over AMD CPU simply because of all of that single threaded performance advantage.

 

An 8320 would only really bottleneck in the single-threaded games. In multi-threaded games such as BF4 and Thief it won't cause one. AMD gets a lot of hate but a lot of the haters don't really understand why the AMD CPU's are "bad" or "a big bottleneck" when in reality they aren't, just that a lot of software/games still only run single-threaded thus hindering the performance of the CPU and causing a bottleneck. Even some of the Intel CPU's will be bottlenecked due to poor/non-existent. multi-threading support in a lot of games/software.

[Faceman]

That is a pretty large generalisation. No it won't physically bottleneck a 780, an 8320 probably wouldn't even bottleneck two 780's in SLI. It is dependant on what games you are playing, single threaded games then yes there is a bottleneck but not a very large one. Multi-threaded, no there isn't a bottleneck. The OP would however need a different motherboard for an 8320 as the power phasing wouldn't be up to the job.

Check out Cinebench and Firestrike scores, for higher end GPUs, the 8320 is most certainly a bottleneck.

 

8320 @ 4.8Ghz + R9 290X = ~9,000

i5-4670k @ 3.4Ghz + R9 290X = ~10,000

 

Here is a direct quote from Firestrike regarding the 8320 & R9 290X:

"

Brawn

Your GPU is ready to rumble, but your CPU doesn't want to play."

 

Cinebench, when you run the GPU test, the FX8320 @ 4.8Ghz doesn't even crack 100fps, the i5-4670k @ 3.4Ghz is doing 118fps, same exact video card, no overclock.

 

This "bottleneck" is not going to be noticeable on a 60Hz monitor, but that doesn't mean that there is not a bottleneck.  Don't forget the single threaded performance, which is so much better on Intel.  Not to mention, the price of the two options are roughly the same in the U.S.  The FX processor is from 2009, the i5 is from 2013.

 

Using Microcenter's in-store prices, which can be price matched by Staples.com and Frys.com anyone can get an i5-4670k for $180, the 4690k for $200 + shipping.  To be fair I will also use Microcenter prices for AMD's side of things:

 

Price difference is only $10:

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/CcjvdC

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker....dC/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($180.00) <-- microcenter or price match with staples.com or frys.com

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($25.98 @ Newegg)

Motherboard: MSI Z87-G41 PC Mate ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($75.66 @ Newegg) <-- Have seen as low as $60.

Total: $281.64

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

 

Vs.

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hbxTpg

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker....pg/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($130.00) <-- To be fair I used the Microcenter price here also.

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($25.98 @ Newegg)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($116.90 @ Newegg)

Total: $272.88

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

 

You have to buy a more expensive motherboard on AMD's side in order to achieve respectable overclocks to just match Intel's stock performance.

 

Unless your sole purpose is video editing and rendering, there is absolutely nada, none, no reason to purchase an FX over an i5 if you live in the United States.

[GzeroD]

 AMD gets a lot of hate but a lot of the haters don't really understand why the AMD CPU's are "bad" or "a big bottleneck" when in reality they aren't, just that a lot of software/games still only run single-threaded thus hindering the performance of the CPU and causing a bottleneck. Even some of the Intel CPU's will be bottlenecked due to poor/non-existent. multi-threading support in a lot of games/software.

 

You realize your arguing with an AMD fan who had a bulldozer based pc for over a year and switched. I'm well aware what the cpu was and was not good at, while the landscape is changing and more game better support multiple threads faster single thread performance can still make a large difference in minimum frames (when too much is going on for the cpu to keep up)  as well maximum frames ( due too issues caused by direct x, mantel and direct x 12 should fix or at least improve those issues though)

[thebennyboy]

Check out Cinebench and Firestrike scores, for higher end GPUs, the 8320 is most certainly a bottleneck.

 

8320 @ 4.8Ghz + R9 290X = ~9,000

i5-4670k @ 3.4Ghz + R9 290X = ~10,000

 

Here is a direct quote from Firestrike regarding the 8320 & R9 290X:

"

Brawn

Your GPU is ready to rumble, but your CPU doesn't want to play."

 

Cinebench, when you run the GPU test, the FX8320 @ 4.8Ghz doesn't even crack 100fps, the i5-4670k @ 3.4Ghz is doing 118fps, same exact video card, no overclock.

 

This "bottleneck" is not going to be noticeable on a 60Hz monitor, but that doesn't mean that there is not a bottleneck.  Don't forget the single threaded performance, which is so much better on Intel.  Not to mention, the price of the two options are roughly the same in the U.S.  The FX processor is from 2009, the i5 is from 2013.

 

Using Microcenter's in-store prices, which can be price matched by Staples.com and Frys.com anyone can get an i5-4670k for $180, the 4690k for $200 + shipping.  To be fair I will also use Microcenter prices for AMD's side of things:

 

Price difference is only $10:

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/CcjvdC

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker....dC/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($180.00) <-- microcenter or price match with staples.com or frys.com

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($25.98 @ Newegg)

Motherboard: MSI Z87-G41 PC Mate ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($75.66 @ Newegg) <-- Have seen as low as $60.

Total: $281.64

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

 

Vs.

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hbxTpg

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker....pg/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($130.00) <-- To be fair I used the Microcenter price here also.

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($25.98 @ Newegg)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($116.90 @ Newegg)

Total: $272.88

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

 

You have to buy a more expensive motherboard on AMD's side in order to achieve respectable overclocks to just match Intel's stock performance.

 

Unless your sole purpose is video editing and rendering, there is absolutely nada, none, no reason to purchase an FX over an i5 if you live in the United States.

 

Cinebench is largly single-threaded so it likely would have been a bottleneck as i said before. 3DMark uses DirectX11 which is pretty poor when it comes to multi-threading, which is why it performs noticeably worse on an 8320 as it has worse single-threaded performance. A 4670K does have better single-threaded performance which in this current version of DirectX is much less of a bottleneck.

 

You realize your arguing with an AMD fan who had a bulldozer based pc for over a year and switched. I'm well aware what the cpu was and was not good at, while the landscape is changing and more game better support multiple threads faster single thread performance can still make a large difference in minimum frames (when too much is going on for the cpu to keep up)  as well maximum frames ( due too issues caused by direct x, mantel and direct x 12 should fix or at least improve those issues though)

 

I'm not arguing with you, we can turn it into one if you like? Trying to do nothing more than a have civil discussion, which up until now it has been. I do agree that Mantle and DirectX12 will help a significant amount in removing bottlenecks whilst playing games.

[GzeroD]

 

I'm not arguing with you, we can turn it into one if you like? Trying to do nothing more than a have civil discussion, which up until now it has been. I do agree that Mantle and DirectX12 will help a significant amount in removing bottlenecks whilst playing games.

Damn you accurately reflecting my poor choice of words!