Yet another RAM suggestion request

[PSenapus]

Hello,

 

I have an hard time choosing between 2 different ddr3 kits.
They're both 2x8GB Corsair Vengeance Pro and cost exactly the same:

CMY16GX3M2A1866C9R (9-10-9-27 1866MHz 1.5v)

CMY16GX3M2A2400C11R (11-13-13-31 2400MHz 1.5v)

My computer works as a workstation but also as gaming machine
Anandtech suggests that 2400 CL11 is faster than 1866 CL9 at video rendering.
However I have these doubts:

1. Is 2400MHz RAM any harder on the CPU and Motherboard? And is it going to last less given it's oclocked faster? (long term stability and reliability is important)
2. Does the 2400MHz RAM actually produce more heat than the 1866 counterpart?
3. What would you pick out of these 2 kits? Remember, they cost exactly the same.

Specs:

Enermax Fulmo ST

Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H

Core i5 4670K @stock

Gigabyte Radeon R9 280X @stock

Enermax LIQTECH 240

Plextor M6s 256GB

Seagate ST1000DM003
Cooler Master V700

[Rorgash]

the 2400 ram are usually not very useful, ever.. for one if you dont get the really expensive ones the timing will be so bad that good 1600Mhz ram will be faster, fast ram is mostly just useful for APU's

[Priller]

2400 should give better performance. If it was CL 12 then the 1866 would be a better choice.

 

I would go with the higher speed stuff.

[busters2304]

2400 can give better pefrormance in gaming e.g battlefierld 4 

[Leonard]

 

Hello,

 

I have an hard time choosing between 2 different ddr3 kits.

They're both 2x8GB Corsair Vengeance Pro and cost exactly the same:

CMY16GX3M2A1866C9R (9-10-9-27 1866MHz 1.5v)

CMY16GX3M2A2400C11R (11-13-13-31 2400MHz 1.5v)

My computer works as a workstation but also as gaming machine

Anandtech suggests that 2400 CL11 is faster than 1866 CL9 at video rendering.

However I have these doubts:

1. Is 2400MHz RAM any harder on the CPU and Motherboard? And is it going to last less given it's oclocked faster? (long term stability and reliability is important)
2. Does the 2400MHz RAM actually produce more heat than the 1866 counterpart?
3. What would you pick out of these 2 kits? Remember, they cost exactly the same.

Specs:

Enermax Fulmo ST

Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H

Core i5 4670K @stock

Gigabyte Radeon R9 280X @stock

Enermax LIQTECH 240

Plextor M6s 256GB

Seagate ST1000DM003

Cooler Master V700

 

You got a really nice PSU there. 

 

If i were you i would look for some GSkill RAM with tighter timings than 11-13-13-31 for what you want. Any RAM that is higher than 2000Mhz will only perform great with lower and tighter timings. So lets take 2133mhz RAM. A kit of 2133mhz @ 11-11-11-28 will be faster than 2133mhz@ 11-13-13-31 but in most cases it is by mere seconds.

 

Just get the fastest speed with the lowest timings that is compatible with haswell systems and a nice CPU OC will help too.

 

Compatible GSkill ram for your MOBO

[PSenapus]

You got a really nice PSU there. 

 

It's a great PSU but it has 2 major problems IMO

1. It is made by Seasonic - Yeah you might this this isn't bad at all but I'm in the process of fully sleeving it and it's a real nightmare. 5 double wires on the 24-pin and double wires on each pcie cable.
2. The fan profile is not hybrid. Which means more system noise at idle.

 

Can anyone answer the first 2 questions in the topic though please?

I've heard from random strangers on the internet that 2400MHz and up could damage the CPU and also last less than lower clocked chips. Is it bullcrap?

Also do the 2400MHz modules get hotter?

[Priller]

It's a great PSU but it has 2 major problems IMO

1. It is made by Seasonic - Yeah you might this this isn't bad at all but I'm in the process of fully sleeving it and it's a real nightmare. 5 double wires on the 24-pin and double wires on each pcie cable.
2. The fan profile is not hybrid. Which means more system noise at idle.

 

Can anyone answer the first 2 questions in the topic though please?

I've heard from random strangers on the internet that 2400MHz and up could damage the CPU and also last less than lower clocked chips. Is it bullcrap?

Also do the 2400MHz modules get hotter?

 

Yes. Remember YMMV and some ram might have issues and others dont.

[Leonard]

It's a great PSU but it has 2 major problems IMO

1. It is made by Seasonic - Yeah you might this this isn't bad at all but I'm in the process of fully sleeving it and it's a real nightmare. 5 double wires on the 24-pin and double wires on each pcie cable.
2. The fan profile is not hybrid. Which means more system noise at idle.

 

Can anyone answer the first 2 questions in the topic though please?

I've heard from random strangers on the internet that 2400MHz and up could damage the CPU and also last less than lower clocked chips. Is it bullcrap?

Also do the 2400MHz modules get hotter?

Ok if the only two problems are the fan noise and the sleeving then it is top tier.....the fan can be replaced and you can use cable extensions, put some black spray paint on it or do ti the hard way like you and do some self sleeving and get grey hairs by your frontal lobe. :lol:

 

It bullcrap. It is the RAM voltage that is the problem and not the RAM speed. Once you don't go higher that 1.65v on the RAM your CPU will be good, anything higher shortens the CPU life.

 

Yes 2400MHz RAM does get hotter then say 1600 MHz....then too, if the RAM is manually OCed via you inputting figures then yeah it get hot some time too hot and then you need extra fan like this to cool it but if it comes with a 2400mhz XMP profile then you don't need any extra cooling and in general, once you don't cross the 1.65v on the RAM and you have a get kit of RAM you can OC it really easy. It is just time consuming. 

 

This is the best OCing kit of RAM i know of but to find them new is like looking for a prostitute without any VD.

[SpecTre12345]

It's a great PSU but it has 2 major problems IMO

1. It is made by Seasonic - Yeah you might this this isn't bad at all but I'm in the process of fully sleeving it and it's a real nightmare. 5 double wires on the 24-pin and double wires on each pcie cable.
2. The fan profile is not hybrid. Which means more system noise at idle.

 

Can anyone answer the first 2 questions in the topic though please?

I've heard from random strangers on the internet that 2400MHz and up could damage the CPU and also last less than lower clocked chips. Is it bullcrap?

Also do the 2400MHz modules get hotter?

 

What you thought from what you heard is correct. It is complete and utter bullcrap. 2400MHz memory will not damage your CPU in any sense. People have been running higher speed memory than what was standard speeds for ages.

 

Go with the 2400MHz kit, but don't get it from Corsair, they are going to charge you an arm and leg for higher speed memory. Go with this G.Skill kit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231673&cm_re=G.Skill_2400-_-20-231-673-_-Product

 

As far as timings and latency goes I'll do the math for you.

 

CMY16GX3M2A1866C9R (9-10-9-27 1866MHz 1.5v) = 9.6ms

CMY16GX3M2A2400C11R (11-13-13-31 2400MHz 1.5v) =  9.16ms

 

The G.Skill kit I linked has the same timings as the Corsair kit except it's a helluva lot cheaper. As far as latency goes, the 2400MHz kit is faster slightly. But the extra speed will provide better bandwidth required for what you need it to do (video rendering). Also, faster memory doesn't produce enough extra heat to be noticeable. The only time it produces extra heat is when you are overclocking your memory faster than stock frequencies. 

[PSenapus]

Go with this G.Skill kit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231673&cm_re=G.Skill_2400-_-20-231-673-_-Product

 

The G.Skill kit I linked has the same timings as the Corsair kit except it's a helluva lot cheaper. As far as latency goes, the 2400MHz kit is faster slightly. But the extra speed will provide better bandwidth required for what you need it to do (video rendering). Also, faster memory doesn't produce enough extra heat to be noticeable. The only time it produces extra heat is when you are overclocking your memory faster than stock frequencies. 

 

That g.skill kit costs the same where I live, it looks awful and it's 1.65v. It has guns shaped heat spreaders... What the fuck?

But seriously, it costs the same and it's 1.65v, the corsair is 1.5v which should be much better.

 

EDIT: This kit actually costs 15 euro more than the corsair I'm looking at.

Edited July 5, 2014 by PSenapus

[SpecTre12345]

That g.skill kit costs the same where I live, it looks awful and it's 1.65v. It has guns shaped heat spreaders... What the fuck?

But seriously, it costs the same and it's 1.65v, the corsair is 1.5v which should be much better.

 

EDIT: This kit actually costs 15 euro more than the corsair I'm looking at.

 

I severely doubt that memory can do 2400MHz @ 1.5v. 

 

If you have a problem with the appearance then that's subjective. If it costs more where you live then obviously go for the cheaper one. 

[patrickjp93]

 

Hello,

 

I have an hard time choosing between 2 different ddr3 kits.

They're both 2x8GB Corsair Vengeance Pro and cost exactly the same:

CMY16GX3M2A1866C9R (9-10-9-27 1866MHz 1.5v)

CMY16GX3M2A2400C11R (11-13-13-31 2400MHz 1.5v)

My computer works as a workstation but also as gaming machine

Anandtech suggests that 2400 CL11 is faster than 1866 CL9 at video rendering.

However I have these doubts:

1. Is 2400MHz RAM any harder on the CPU and Motherboard? And is it going to last less given it's oclocked faster? (long term stability and reliability is important)
2. Does the 2400MHz RAM actually produce more heat than the 1866 counterpart?
3. What would you pick out of these 2 kits? Remember, they cost exactly the same.

Specs:

Enermax Fulmo ST

Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H

Core i5 4670K @stock

Gigabyte Radeon R9 280X @stock

Enermax LIQTECH 240

Plextor M6s 256GB

Seagate ST1000DM003

Cooler Master V700

 

The 2400 sticks require higher voltage (generally only go with the overclocking formula boards for these types of sticks for long-term board health).

And, though the total bandwidth may be wider, if you look at the absolute latency score (CAS/(speed/2))

11/1200 = 9.166 nanoseconds

9=933 = 9.646 nanoseconds

 

Unless you're already saturating sitcks at a speed of 1866MHz, then the 2400 upgrade will have next to no impact.

[patrickjp93]

I severely doubt that memory can do 2400MHz @ 1.5v. 

 

If you have a problem with the appearance then that's subjective. If it costs more where you live then obviously go for the cheaper one. 

No, there is no stick rated for such low voltage at that speed. If someone pulls it off, I'd love to punch RAM makers across the face.

[SpecTre12345]

No, there is no stick rated for such low voltage at that speed. If someone pulls it off, I'd love to punch RAM makers across the face.

 

I think you mean, yes there is no stick rated for such voltage at that speed. You said no. 

[SpecTre12345]

The 2400 sticks require higher voltage (generally only go with the overclocking formula boards for these types of sticks for long-term board health).

And, though the total bandwidth may be wider, if you look at the absolute latency score (CAS/(speed/2))

11/1200 = 9.16 nanoseconds

9=933 = 9.46 nanoseconds

 

Unless you're already saturating sitcks at a speed of 1866MHz, then the 2400 upgrade will have next to no impact.

 

Also your math is wrong on the 1866, it's 9.64ns not 9.46 

[patrickjp93]

I think you mean, yes there is no stick rated for such voltage at that speed. You said no. 

Exo-semantic grammar Nazi. That's not even a true mistake.

[patrickjp93]

Also your math is wrong on the 1866, it's 9.64ns not 9.46 

Woops, dropped a 6. 9.646ns.

[PSenapus]

Guys, have you actually read Corsair's specifications for the memory I linked?

Tested Latency

11-13-13-31

Tested Speed

2400MHz

Tested Voltage

1.5

 

If the specs are wrong, then I'd go with the 1866MHz

[patrickjp93]

Guys, have you actually read Corsair's specifications for the memory I linked?

Tested Latency

11-13-13-31

Tested Speed

2400MHz

Tested Voltage

1.5

 

I see 1.65 volts as the tested. SPD is for the lowest rated speed 1333MHz.

[PSenapus]

Oh, I guess Corsair is shitting me then...

[patrickjp93]

Oh, I guess Corsair is shitting me then...

I was gonna say: "DID CORSAIR FINALLY JUSTIFY THAT PREMIUM?!"

But no, Hell didn't freeze over. Sorry We'll have to wait for DDR4 before we get lower voltage and better overclocking potential on RAM.

[PSenapus]

Thats not much of a premium since it costs the same nowadays...

[patrickjp93]

Thats not much of a premium since it costs the same nowadays...

I bid thee look at the Dominator Platinums. Vengeance Pro are not too badly overpriced until you break into 2400 MHz + speeds.

[PSenapus]

They do have a market. I've seen countless of those in systems and used ones up for sale for a price higher than new Vengeance Pros.
I do not understand why people buy them tbh.