Why/How is the FX 8350 a bottleneck?

[Linus_torvalds]

Intels first core I series was 45nm.

I know that 1366 socket. but later in 2009 there was 6 core 12 thread 32 nm CPU too.

 

when i said that AMD is still in 2009 i meant CPU power. but even 2008 intel 45nm 4 core CPU  (http://ark.intel.com/products/37149/Intel-Core-i7-965-Processor-Extreme-Edition-8M-Cache-3_20-GHz-6_40-GTs-Intel-QPI) can still outperform 6 and 8 core AMD 2013-2014 CPUs when overclocked.

 

it's all about architecture. I can not belive that there are so many blind people out here screaming AMD is best for price

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i7-950-3-06GHz-HT-LGA1366-8MB-Quad-Core-130W-TDP-D0-Processor-/351073385343?pt=CPUs&hash=item51bd9abb7f   108$ i7 950  can do 4.2-4.3 GHZ 24/7

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i7-920-2-67GHz-HT-8MB-Quad-Core-LGA1366130W-TDP-C0-Processor-/271524424452?pt=CPUs&hash=item3f381deb04     78$  i7 920   can do 4.2-4.3 GHZ 24/7

[Bloodkil933]

I know that 1366 socket. but later in 2009 there was 6 core 12 thread 32 nm CPU too.

 

when i said that AMD is still in 2009 i meant CPU power. but even 2008 intel 45nm 4 core CPU  (http://ark.intel.com/products/37149/Intel-Core-i7-965-Processor-Extreme-Edition-8M-Cache-3_20-GHz-6_40-GTs-Intel-QPI) can still outperform 6 and 8 core AMD 2013-2014 CPUs when overclocked.

 

it's all about architecture. I can not belive that there are so many blind people out here screaming AMD is best for price

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i7-950-3-06GHz-HT-LGA1366-8MB-Quad-Core-130W-TDP-D0-Processor-/351073385343?pt=CPUs&hash=item51bd9abb7f   108$ i7 950  can do 4.2-4.3 GHZ 24/7

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i7-920-2-67GHz-HT-8MB-Quad-Core-LGA1366130W-TDP-C0-Processor-/271524424452?pt=CPUs&hash=item3f381deb04     78$  i7 920   can do 4.2-4.3 GHZ 24/7

If you are gaming, AMD is still the best value for money, if you were doing anything such as rendering and graphics, I would go Intel. Also, the new Pentium can outperform the i7-4770k in less optimised games and such things that use less threads. But everyone still aims fire at AMD and tucks the other Intel CPU's under the carpet.

 

Logan's benchmarks even showed the 8350 competed with the i7-3770k in some tests, and even beat it in some.

[Vrbas]

Yeah but did you have any mods?

No it was vanilla.

[MrDucco]

I think the only thing this CPU will bottleneck will be a titan but your pretty much safe with anything else under the titan, the thing about some AMD CPU's is that they can run a little hotter than Intel CPU's also a little less efficient, but if you have an aftermarket cooler it will do fine.

[Buckley]

I think the only thing this CPU will bottleneck will be a titan but your pretty much safe with anything else under the titan, the thing about some AMD CPU's is that they can run a little hotter than Intel CPU's also a little less efficient, but if you have an aftermarket cooler it will do fine.

A titan would not bottleneck an 8350 considering a 290x is faster and doesnt

[bbqsauce]

I know that 1366 socket. but later in 2009 there was 6 core 12 thread 32 nm CPU too.

 

when i said that AMD is still in 2009 i meant CPU power. but even 2008 intel 45nm 4 core CPU  (http://ark.intel.com/products/37149/Intel-Core-i7-965-Processor-Extreme-Edition-8M-Cache-3_20-GHz-6_40-GTs-Intel-QPI) can still outperform 6 and 8 core AMD 2013-2014 CPUs when overclocked.

 

it's all about architecture. I can not belive that there are so many blind people out here screaming AMD is best for price

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i7-950-3-06GHz-HT-LGA1366-8MB-Quad-Core-130W-TDP-D0-Processor-/351073385343?pt=CPUs&hash=item51bd9abb7f   108$ i7 950  can do 4.2-4.3 GHZ 24/7

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i7-920-2-67GHz-HT-8MB-Quad-Core-LGA1366130W-TDP-C0-Processor-/271524424452?pt=CPUs&hash=item3f381deb04     78$  i7 920   can do 4.2-4.3 GHZ 24/7

even if you say the 1366 intel cpu competes with amd for price, you're buying a second hand cpu. who knows what stress it was under?

plus, try finding a decent 1366 mobo to oc the chip. try it.

 

i tried finding a decent price mobo to oc my 965, nope. everything i see is like 200 bucks. all those that are at 100 are like the ones that will not support the i7 oc. Or they have the whacky color schemes.

Or brands like biostar.

finding a decent board is tough and most of the time it's going to be used, not brand new.

[Faa]

If you are gaming, AMD is still the best value for money

 

Could you elaborate why? There's no such thing as multithreaded performance / price ratio for gamers, never existed. If you go through mmo forums, AMD isn't regarded there as the best value - people who recommend them get instantly criticized. Games that are supposed to take advantage of more than 4 cores are GPU bound to the floor, people with 8320's cant afford multiple gpu's neither locked i5/i3 owners. Not much left anymore to compare them with, just the lightthreaded cpu bound games where Intel always tops out so the i3 is overall a better value than any AMD. Even in games like BF4 with multiple gpu's the 8320 doesn't look like it's doing better than a i3.

8350's dont deserve a pricetag of 200$, 8320's are just 30$ cheaper than a locked i5 but AMD boards are more expensive due to better vrm requirements. Yeah you have in some countries where i3's are 3 times more expensive as 9590's, then it would make much sense that you go with AMD or if youre looking into onboard graphics.

 

If you are gaming, AMD is still the best value for money, if you were doing anything such as rendering and graphics, I would go Intel. 

Should have been the other way; AMD is better in terms of price/performance for rendering and 3D modeling because multithreaded performance/price perfectly makes sense and Intel is better for gaming excluding onboard stuff.

 

 

Logan's benchmarks even showed the 8350 competed with the i7-3770k in some tests, and even beat it in some.

In some? It beated it in every test. That video is kinda fabricated as fuck, a game like Arma 2 thats extremely lightthreaded & cpu bound 8350's outperform i7's by 350% that's just claiming AMD has better single core performance. Same thing theyve done with Far Cry 3 but that game is purely gpu bound, again a 350% difference like theyve used a 7850 for the i7 and 4 titan blacks for the 8350. Teksyndicate isn't a good source, theyre only capable of entertaining people and unboxing products with here and there some misinformation.

 

[Rohit Jackdaw]

I don't think an 8320 or an 8350 is bad. A 4670K costs 50% more and still gains a few fps. TKe the cost into consideration and even though an 8350 performs on par with an i5 doesn't mean its built for that. That's AMD. At a lower price it offers a considerably better one. I run it with a 760 and it rocks. Also both parts are overclocked.

[GamerDude]

I think the only thing this CPU will bottleneck will be a titan but your pretty much safe with anything else under the titan, the thing about some AMD CPU's is that they can run a little hotter than Intel CPU's also a little less efficient, but if you have an aftermarket cooler it will do fine.

Huh? An R9 290X and a GTX780 Ti are faster than the Titan, IF the FX8350 doesn't bottleneck them, it certainly wouldn't bottleneck a Titan.

[MrDucco]

I would say the biggest thing about Intel compared to AMD processors is the reliability of Intel if you don't abuse with overclocking or physically breaking they seem to last for ever or for a long time anyway.  

[GamerDude]

I would say the biggest thing about Intel compared to AMD processors is the reliability of Intel if you don't abuse with overclocking or physically breaking they seem to last for ever or for a long time anyway.  

Any CPU would last a long time if, as you put it, you don't abuse with overclocking or physically breaking it. I have an AMD AXP 2800+ Barton from ages back, still working fine. And I do have an AM2 X2 5200+ that's working just fine as well, so you point about Intel's reliability is moot at best.

[MrDucco]

okay then that sounds like a valid response, but for some of the AMD processors they use a lot of power compared to Intel only some of them, the FX series are pretty solid 

[Buckley]

okay then that sounds like a valid response, but for some of the AMD processors they use a lot of power compared to Intel only some of them, the FX series are pretty solid 

but does energy consumption actually really matter? not really

[MrDucco]

well for some people on a tight budget and don't want to buy a bigger PSU than needed but I understand what you mean most of the time power consumption doesn't really matter.

[WyvernAbstracts]

Becuz weak sungol core purfurmonce, intel i5 or bettur will always gut a fuw mure fps in most gams, cause game developers dont know the word optimization