Do I need more RAM?

[SlushyRhombus]

Having very bad stuttering issues with Diablo4 and monitoring task manager it seems like I am pushing 96-98 percent usage for my ram during gameplay.

I may have some more issues with temp on my CPU, seems to be running at around 90c . Trying to address both of these issues but just wondering if I am running this close to the edge in terms of RAM will upgrading my ram to 32gb be a huge step forward for stuttering and slowness of my PC

Included my info here just for reference, this is not under gameplay load 

[Timme]

23 minutes ago, SlushyRhombus said:

32gb be a huge step forward for stuttering and slowness of my PC

Not only that, but you can also disable the Windows page file for even more performance boost and further reduce wear on the storage.

26 minutes ago, SlushyRhombus said:

CPU, seems to be running at around 90c

Clean the fans, repaste the CPU.

[Tetras]

29 minutes ago, SlushyRhombus said:

but just wondering if I am running this close to the edge in terms of RAM will upgrading my ram to 32gb be a huge step forward for stuttering and slowness of my PC

Yes, assuming that you mean 96-98% of actual usage (i.e. the RAM isn't just cached), then it would make a huge difference. A screenshot from task manager would help.

 

If Diablo 4 is typically heavy on RAM usage, I have no idea.

[StDragon]

98% RAM utilization will absolutely cause hitching and other performance issues as the OS compresses content in RAM or page out to disk (last resort toward eviction).

You'll want 32GB of total system RAM nowadays. With 16GB, at least 8 to 12 are used by the OS. Less than half for everything else running.

[SlushyRhombus]

42 minutes ago, Timme said:

Not only that, but you can also disable the Windows page file for even more performance boost and further reduce wear on the storage.

Clean the fans, repaste the CPU.

This is the first step for me tomorrow, before I try and sell my soul for RAM 

[SlushyRhombus]

42 minutes ago, Tetras said:

Yes, assuming that you mean 96-98% of actual usage (i.e. the RAM isn't just cached), then it would make a huge difference. A screenshot from task manager would help.

 

If Diablo 4 is typically heavy on RAM usage, I have no idea.

This is just loading the game and in character select screen 

 

[SlushyRhombus]

6 minutes ago, SlushyRhombus said:

This is just loading the game and in character select screen 

 

But spikes between 90-98 percent throughout the game 

[SlushyRhombus]

Not sure if this indicates anything but exiting and entering the game is like 90 percent of the stuttering and slowdown, often resulting in a "end or wait" kind of prompt or a need to force it closed due to it just hanging. 

[StDragon]

1 minute ago, SlushyRhombus said:

Not sure if this indicates anything but exiting and entering the game is like 90 percent of the stuttering and slowdown, often resulting in a "end or wait" kind of prompt or a need to force it closed due to it just hanging. 

Just make sure all your browsers are closed (and any other useless application closed from the System Tray you don't need).

Not bad for $219 (relatively speaking considering the current market)

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-VENGEANCE-3200MHz-Compatible-Computer/dp/B07RW6Z692

[SlushyRhombus]

1 minute ago, StDragon said:

Just make sure all your browsers are closed (and any other useless application closed from the System Tray you don't need).

Not bad for $219 (relatively speaking considering the current market)

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-VENGEANCE-3200MHz-Compatible-Computer/dp/B07RW6Z692

Ill reply with that in a few hours, appreciate the help, just need my PC for work so I cant get a fresh boot with the game running right now. 

[StDragon]

By the way, you're 12 versions of BIOS updates behind. You're on F50 (Nov 2019). Read the change log here.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450M-DS3H-WIFI-rev-10-11-12-13/support#Support-Bios

[SlushyRhombus]

1 minute ago, StDragon said:

By the way, you're 12 versions of BIOS updates behind. You're on F50 (Nov 2019). Read the change log here.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450M-DS3H-WIFI-rev-10-11-12-13/support#Support-Bios

Hmm.. I dont think I have ever thought I needed to upgrade my BIOS manually 

[Dedayog]

3 minutes ago, StDragon said:

By the way, you're 12 versions of BIOS updates behind. You're on F50 (Nov 2019). Read the change log here.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450M-DS3H-WIFI-rev-10-11-12-13/support#Support-Bios

Do this first.

 

Then reduce yuor background tasks.  How much RAM usage when you're just logged into Windows, not even a browser open?

 

9 minutes ago, SlushyRhombus said:

Ill reply with that in a few hours, appreciate the help, just need my PC for work so I cant get a fresh boot with the game running right now. 

You may want to do a fresh Windows install too, if you have a lot of bloat.  People usually don't realize just how much SHIT they have installed.  I personally have 15 icons in the lower right corner area thing, it's dumb.

 

1 minute ago, SlushyRhombus said:

Hmm.. I dont think I have ever thought I needed to upgrade my BIOS manually 

Yeah, they don't update themselves.  It's worth doing. 

[StDragon]

1 minute ago, SlushyRhombus said:

Hmm.. I dont think I have ever thought I needed to upgrade my BIOS manually 

It's recommended to ensure both compatibility and stability with newer RAM kits. Also resolves known security issues (though you're still on Windows 10 )

[SlushyRhombus]

1 minute ago, StDragon said:

It's recommended to ensure both compatibility and stability with newer RAM kits. Also resolves known security issues (though you're still on Windows 10 )

It says my system cant be upgraded to WIndows 11 because of my hardware, or maybe its my BIOS being so old? Im not sure 

 

3 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Do this first.

 

Then reduce yuor background tasks.  How much RAM usage when you're just logged into Windows, not even a browser open?

 

You may want to do a fresh Windows install too, if you have a lot of bloat.  People usually don't realize just how much SHIT they have installed.  I personally have 15 icons in the lower right corner area thing, it's dumb.

 

Yeah, they don't update themselves.  It's worth doing. 

[SlushyRhombus]

3 minutes ago, StDragon said:

It's recommended to ensure both compatibility and stability with newer RAM kits. Also resolves known security issues (though you're still on Windows 10 )

Feels like when I tried to update it said my hardware is not compatible to move to windows 11, so I never did 

[StDragon]

5 minutes ago, SlushyRhombus said:

Feels like when I tried to update it said my hardware is not compatible to move to windows 11, so I never did 

It's because both Secure Boot and fTPM are disabled in BIOS.

 

And if your drive is formatted MBR instead of GPT, that will also prevent enabling Secure Boot. Hence no path to upgrade from Windows 10 to 11.

That said however, you can run Windows 11. Just update the BIOS first as that will enable fTPM for you and should default to UEFI mode (non-CSM). Then you can run Windows 11 once you format the drive and install the OS from a USB flashdrive.

And yes, your CPU fully supports Windows 11.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors

[SlushyRhombus]

4 minutes ago, StDragon said:

It's because both Secure Boot and fTPM are disabled in BIOS.

 

And if your drive is formatted MBR instead of GPT, that will also prevent enabling Secure Boot. Hence no path to upgrade from Windows 10 to 11.

That said however, you can run Windows 11. Just update the BIOS first as that will enable fTPM for you and should default to UEFI mode (non-CSM). Then you can run Windows 11 once you format the drive and install the OS from a USB flashdrive.

And yes, your CPU fully supports Windows 11.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors

Amazing, thanks for the help. These are all blind spots for me in terms of PC stuff , I have just been looking to surface level I guess. I appreciate all of the help and I will do all of this updating and reply back with some findings after
- A good PC clean and thermal paste reapply
- Upgraded Bios
- Upgrade to Windows 11

[StDragon]

Just be sure to backup all your data (to the cloud or external media) first before reformatting your drive.

[Tetras]

41 minutes ago, SlushyRhombus said:

This is just loading the game and in character select screen 

 

Yikes. I don't know anything about this game, but it says the minimum requirements are just 8GB on Steam, so I'd assume it shouldn't look like that on the character select screen.

 

What other stuff do you have running? A bazillion Chrome tabs?

[SlushyRhombus]

6 minutes ago, Tetras said:

Yikes. I don't know anything about this game, but it says the minimum requirements are just 8GB on Steam, so I'd assume it shouldn't look like that on the character select screen.

 

What other stuff do you have running? A bazillion Chrome tabs?

It doesnt feel that way but MAYBE? I will post a fresh boot with just the game. This is why I was wondering why it was so bad. But I think I have a lot of upkeep to get done on my PC before I can asses much fully. I do use PARSEC/RemoteViewer for my work everyday so IDK if that is taking any resources away from stuff but these numbers I didnt have anything beyond a few tabs open 

 

[the real sfpour]

If you go Linux it's a lot easier on ram. This is from personal experience, I literally got Linux on my laptop 3 weeks ago new nothing about it and it's just been easier and hasn't been getting in my way like windows. The laptop in question is a old 7200 with 16gbs of ram (I upgraded the ram from my old laptop that broke). I have no Linux experience did no research got Linux Mint bc Luke said he liked it on wan show. It's been great 

[SlushyRhombus]

I feel like the way I have been exposed in my lack of upkeep and knowledge of windows and what I should be doing, a new operating system might crumble me But I do want to get more into stuff like this in the future 

[StDragon]

Linux is a viable option - depending on what you want to do.

For gaming with limited resources such as RAM, sure go for it. But for office use, that might be a more frustrating experience depending on the apps you need.

There's pros and cons with any OS.

Pros: Windows has much better support and is the devil that you know. Linux however uses less resources and is more secure.

Cons: Windows can be a resource hog. Linux however comes in a rainbow of distros that frankly are all over the place. Also support is more limited and you will be diving into the forums or AI with Linux questions and issues to resolve.

Pick your poison.

[Mark Kaine]

1 hour ago, Tetras said:

Yikes. I don't know anything about this game, but it says the minimum requirements are just 8GB on Steam, so I'd assume it shouldn't look like that on the character select screen.

 

What other stuff do you have running? A bazillion Chrome tabs?

I can't imagine the game using this much ram either, maybe at 4k res? I dunno almost everything I play uses like 10,12 GB max... and windows maybe 2-3gb, so it's getting close with 16 but really no issues... (I even bought 32gb a year ago and never installed it, too lazy, and I don't need it )

 

1 hour ago, SlushyRhombus said:

Amazing, thanks for the help. These are all blind spots for me in terms of PC stuff , I have just been looking to surface level I guess. I appreciate all of the help and I will do all of this updating and reply back with some findings after
- A good PC clean and thermal paste reapply
- Upgraded Bios
- Upgrade to Windows 11

You should really check what's actually using all the ram first it's really weird Diablo would be using this much, look in task manager to see which programs besides are using ram and also when the game isn't running.