XMP Boot issue (help!)

[GeneDrozd]

Howdy!

 

Lets start with some background.

 

I got tired of the old look of my pc so i wanted to give it a make over, my buddy who works at micron gets free computer parts and gave me a nice Maximus XI Hero Wifi, and a i9 9900k for free. both work. So i was like heck ya!

 

Previous setup

 

Asus Prime Z370A

I7 9700f

4x8 corsair vengence 3200 ram

2080 super

corsair rm750x

 

 

Used everything but the motherboard and cpu obviously.

 

previously with the same ram, and weaker cpu, it ran xmp 1 and 2 just fine.

 

 

now whenever i enable xmp, 1 OR 2, my pc refuses to boot, and always boots back into bios in safe mode. Why would this be? It worked perfectly before? And the pc works fine other than that, just 2133 mhz ram sucks for my games.

 

The only note i can add is previously my old prime mobo only had 1 8 pin cpu connector.

 

This new one has a 8 pin plus 4 pin, i only have a 8 pin plugged in as i lost the extra modular cables to my corsair psu. Could it be that the 4 pin giving the mobo extra power, which it isnt getting, tweaks out the ram?

 

I thought tho cpu power pins at the top of mobo ONLY are used for cpu?

 

I dont know tho... Help. Escape from tarkov and Rust need their ram

 

 

EDIT:

 

but also side note.

 

When i installed everything the first time, the bios version was like 0504.

I tried XMP on that and it worked.

 

But after i updated it to the latest 2004 bios version. now xmp causes boot problems. Leads me to think its a xmp preset problem? 

[the_helper417]

6 minutes ago, GeneDrozd said:

Howdy!

 

Lets start with some background.

 

I got tired of the old look of my pc so i wanted to give it a make over, my buddy who works at micron gets free computer parts and gave me a nice Maximus XI Hero Wifi, and a i9 9900k for free. both work. So i was like heck ya!

 

Previous setup

 

Asus Prime Z370A

I7 9700f

4x8 corsair vengence 3200 ram

2080 super

corsair rm750x

 

 

Used everything but the motherboard and cpu obviously.

 

previously with the same ram, and weaker cpu, it ran xmp 1 and 2 just fine.

 

 

now whenever i enable xmp, 1 OR 2, my pc refuses to boot, and always boots back into bios in safe mode. Why would this be? It worked perfectly before? And the pc works fine other than that, just 2133 mhz ram sucks for my games.

 

The only note i can add is previously my old prime mobo only had 1 8 pin cpu connector.

 

This new one has a 8 pin plus 4 pin, i only have a 8 pin plugged in as i lost the extra modular cables to my corsair psu. Could it be that the 4 pin giving the mobo extra power, which it isnt getting, tweaks out the ram?

 

I thought tho cpu power pins at the top of mobo ONLY are used for cpu?

 

I dont know tho... Help. Escape from tarkov and Rust need their ram

No the power pins on the board are used for the SSD and RAM too. That could be it. Get cables for those.

[Hinjima]

14 minutes ago, GeneDrozd said:

Howdy!

 

Lets start with some background.

 

I got tired of the old look of my pc so i wanted to give it a make over, my buddy who works at micron gets free computer parts and gave me a nice Maximus XI Hero Wifi, and a i9 9900k for free. both work. So i was like heck ya!

 

Previous setup

 

Asus Prime Z370A

I7 9700f

4x8 corsair vengence 3200 ram

2080 super

corsair rm750x

 

 

Used everything but the motherboard and cpu obviously.

 

previously with the same ram, and weaker cpu, it ran xmp 1 and 2 just fine.

 

 

now whenever i enable xmp, 1 OR 2, my pc refuses to boot, and always boots back into bios in safe mode. Why would this be? It worked perfectly before? And the pc works fine other than that, just 2133 mhz ram sucks for my games.

 

The only note i can add is previously my old prime mobo only had 1 8 pin cpu connector.

 

This new one has a 8 pin plus 4 pin, i only have a 8 pin plugged in as i lost the extra modular cables to my corsair psu. Could it be that the 4 pin giving the mobo extra power, which it isnt getting, tweaks out the ram?

If you are talking about the 8 pin EPS CPU power connector at the top left of your motherboard: one 8 pin is plenty for a 9900k.

The extra 4 pin is just for 'show', something they can state as an added feature/bonus to the board or for extreme overclocking.

You do not need the extra 4 pin cable and this is not why your RAM is freaking out.

 

[GeneDrozd]

2 completely differing answers...

 

Im back to right where i started...

 

I bought a new cable. 

 

but also side note.

 

When i installed everything, the bios version was like 0504.

I tried XMP on that and it worked.

 

but after i updated it to the latest 2004 bios version.

 

NOW xmp dosnt work. Leads me to think its a clocking issue from the xmp presets saved to the new bios version?

 

Im lost.

 

 

[Hinjima]

3 minutes ago, GeneDrozd said:

2 completely differing answers...

 

Im back to right where i started...

 

I bought a new cable. 

 

but also side note.

 

When i installed everything, the bios version was like 0504.

I tried XMP on that and it worked.

 

but after i updated it to the latest 2004 bios version.

 

NOW xmp dosnt work. Leads me to think its a clocking issue from the xmp presets saved to the new bios version?

 

Im lost.

 

 

You were never going to get more stable XMP/RAM by adding another 4pin CPU power connector anyways.

The motherboard 24pin gives power to the RAM and SSD's.

 

Can you see if XMP works with only 2 sticks of RAM? I realize this would drop it down to 16GB but its a troubleshooting step.

Maybe worth testing slightly older BIOS's to see if they are stable with XMP.

 

[Hinjima]

Is the motherboard chipset driver up to date as well?

 

[GeneDrozd]

5 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

Is the motherboard chipset driver up to date as well?

Using the Asus Driver hub... It says everything is up to date, so i would assume so, its a z390 chipset. i believe, Ill try the ram right now with to sticks, ill report back in 10 minutes

[Hinjima]

Just now, GeneDrozd said:

Using the Asus Driver hub... It says everything is up to date, so i would assume so, its a z390 chipset. i believe, Ill try the ram right now with to sticks, ill report back in 10 minutes

Go to the motherboards website and download the latest chipset driver directly.

ASUS Driver Hub is decent but not bulletproof, I have personally have issues with it with a few ASUS boards.

 

I won't be here in 10 minutes, its going on 3AM here and I desperately need sleep.

I will be around tomorrow, be sure to pop by and we can continue troubleshooting unless you didn't solve the issue with help from others..

 

Try two sticks just to see. download chipset driver directly, possibly revert back to an older BIOS versio.

[GeneDrozd]

Update per Hinjima guidence.

 

Tried just two sticks.

 

Went to bios. Set xmp on. it defaulted to 3000 mhz. No option for 3200. 

 

- Booted fine.

- Read as 3000 mhz on task manager.

 

 

went back, and installed other two sticks.

 

Went in bios, Recognized 4 sticks, but still showed 3000 mhz on xmp with no option for 3200.

 

Booted fine with 4 sticks. 

read as 3000 in task manager.

 

but once i went back into bios and played with the xmp between 1 and 2. it showed 3200. On xmp 1 and xmp 2. no option for 3000 anymore like it gave me on 2 sticks.

 

i tried to see the frequency to 3000 manually while set on both xmp 1 and xmp 2 (tried both) but it didnt work, wouldnt boot back up unless i left it to auto.

 

 

[BiotechBen]

3 hours ago, GeneDrozd said:

Update per Hinjima guidence.

 

Tried just two sticks.

 

Went to bios. Set xmp on. it defaulted to 3000 mhz. No option for 3200. 

 

- Booted fine.

- Read as 3000 mhz on task manager.

 

 

went back, and installed other two sticks.

 

Went in bios, Recognized 4 sticks, but still showed 3000 mhz on xmp with no option for 3200.

 

Booted fine with 4 sticks. 

read as 3000 in task manager.

 

but once i went back into bios and played with the xmp between 1 and 2. it showed 3200. On xmp 1 and xmp 2. no option for 3000 anymore like it gave me on 2 sticks.

 

i tried to see the frequency to 3000 manually while set on both xmp 1 and xmp 2 (tried both) but it didnt work, wouldnt boot back up unless i left it to auto.

 

 

Imma be so for real, are you going to be able to reliably measure the performance difference of 3000 and 3200mhz RAM outside of run-to-run variance in benchmarks?

[-rascal-]

5 hours ago, GeneDrozd said:

Update per Hinjima guidence.

 

Tried just two sticks.

 

Went to bios. Set xmp on. it defaulted to 3000 mhz. No option for 3200. 

 

- Booted fine.

- Read as 3000 mhz on task manager.

 

 

went back, and installed other two sticks.

 

Went in bios, Recognized 4 sticks, but still showed 3000 mhz on xmp with no option for 3200.

 

Booted fine with 4 sticks. 

read as 3000 in task manager.

 

but once i went back into bios and played with the xmp between 1 and 2. it showed 3200. On xmp 1 and xmp 2. no option for 3000 anymore like it gave me on 2 sticks.

 

i tried to see the frequency to 3000 manually while set on both xmp 1 and xmp 2 (tried both) but it didnt work, wouldnt boot back up unless i left it to auto.

 

 

 

The extra 4-pin ATX power for the motherboard does nothing for stability.

The EPS 8-pin itself is up to 336W for the CPU - that is MORE than enough for a i9-9900K.

Only scenario you would need the extra 4-pin is if you are doing some sort of asinine overclocking where you need 350W+ for the CPU alone. 

 

Is that a single 4 x 8GB set, or it's TWO separate kits?

Only way I see the BIOS showing DDR4-3000 and all of a sudden DDR4-3200 as XMP profiles is if you have two separate kits

2 x 8GB that is DDR4-3000

2 x 8GB that is DDR4-3200

 

What is the part number(s) and revision number(s) of the Corsair memory?

You can find that info directly on the memory heatsinks - should be a white sticker.

 

I'm surprised the i9-9900K is unwilling to run with 4x modules at even DDR4-3200.

(Then again, my only experience with Z390/LGA 1151 is with a i7-8086K; that ran 4 x 8GB at DDR4-3600 CL15, using Samsung B-Die DDR4-3000 CL14)

[DoctorNick]

9 hours ago, GeneDrozd said:

Howdy!

 

Lets start with some background.

 

I got tired of the old look of my pc so i wanted to give it a make over, my buddy who works at micron gets free computer parts and gave me a nice Maximus XI Hero Wifi, and a i9 9900k for free. both work. So i was like heck ya!

 

Previous setup

 

Asus Prime Z370A

I7 9700f

4x8 corsair vengence 3200 ram

2080 super

corsair rm750x

 

 

Used everything but the motherboard and cpu obviously.

 

previously with the same ram, and weaker cpu, it ran xmp 1 and 2 just fine.

 

 

now whenever i enable xmp, 1 OR 2, my pc refuses to boot, and always boots back into bios in safe mode. Why would this be? It worked perfectly before? And the pc works fine other than that, just 2133 mhz ram sucks for my games.

 

The only note i can add is previously my old prime mobo only had 1 8 pin cpu connector.

 

This new one has a 8 pin plus 4 pin, i only have a 8 pin plugged in as i lost the extra modular cables to my corsair psu. Could it be that the 4 pin giving the mobo extra power, which it isnt getting, tweaks out the ram?

 

I thought tho cpu power pins at the top of mobo ONLY are used for cpu?

 

I dont know tho... Help. Escape from tarkov and Rust need their ram

 

 

EDIT:

 

but also side note.

 

When i installed everything the first time, the bios version was like 0504.

I tried XMP on that and it worked.

 

But after i updated it to the latest 2004 bios version. now xmp causes boot problems. Leads me to think its a xmp preset problem? 

I used to own this board and BIOS and ME firmware is a mess. You might find luck by manually setting the XMP profile instead. Simply write down the primary timings and DRAM voltage and disable XMP. set DRAM frequency to 3200, set dram voltage to 1.35 or what is used. 

[GeneDrozd]

8 hours ago, BiotechBen said:

Imma be so for real, are you going to be able to reliably measure the performance difference of 3000 and 3200mhz RAM outside of run-to-run variance in benchmarks?

Well. When i use auto, It leave the other ram clocking speeds at the 2133 level, and im just forcing the mhz to 3000, My concern is the fact its not getting any of the voltage or other setting changes as xmp would offer.

 

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I used to own this board and BIOS and ME firmware is a mess. You might find luck by manually setting the XMP profile instead. Simply write down the primary timings and DRAM voltage and disable XMP. set DRAM frequency to 3200, set dram voltage to 1.35 or what is used. 

@DoctorNick

So as you are saying, should i set it to XMP 1 (asus settings) or XMP 2 (corsair settings)

Then go and make note of all the technical volt settings?

 

Or strictly JUST the frequency and 1.35 and DONE

 

 

[GeneDrozd]

6 hours ago, -rascal- said:

 

The extra 4-pin ATX power for the motherboard does nothing for stability.

The EPS 8-pin itself is up to 336W for the CPU - that is MORE than enough for a i9-9900K.

Only scenario you would need the extra 4-pin is if you are doing some sort of asinine overclocking where you need 350W+ for the CPU alone. 

 

Is that a single 4 x 8GB set, or it's TWO separate kits?

Only way I see the BIOS showing DDR4-3000 and all of a sudden DDR4-3200 as XMP profiles is if you have two separate kits

2 x 8GB that is DDR4-3000

2 x 8GB that is DDR4-3200

 

What is the part number(s) and revision number(s) of the Corsair memory?

You can find that info directly on the memory heatsinks - should be a white sticker.

 

I'm surprised the i9-9900K is unwilling to run with 4x modules at even DDR4-3200.

(Then again, my only experience with Z390/LGA 1151 is with a i7-8086K; that ran 4 x 8GB at DDR4-3600 CL15, using Samsung B-Die DDR4-3000 CL14)

Damn, I just realized..........................

 

When i bought this ram i never bothered to check all 4, i must have only checked the top two.........................................................

 

Gosh I feel dumb now.

 

Well at that point. 

 

Do you know if theres nay way i can configure the ram to get the XMP 3000 profile?

 

Like put the 3000 in slots 1 and 2 and the 3200 in slots 3 and 4?

 

Or should i do dcotor nick said below and just set xmp off and set frequency to 3000 and voltage to 1.35

[-rascal-]

5 hours ago, GeneDrozd said:

Damn, I just realized..........................

 

When i bought this ram i never bothered to check all 4, i must have only checked the top two.........................................................

 

Gosh I feel dumb now.

 

Well at that point. 

 

Do you know if theres nay way i can configure the ram to get the XMP 3000 profile?

 

Like put the 3000 in slots 1 and 2 and the 3200 in slots 3 and 4?

 

Or should i do dcotor nick said below and just set xmp off and set frequency to 3000 and voltage to 1.35

 

I would recommend you check the sticks to make sure.

If it IS two mismatched kits, then you want to put one set in Slots 2 + 4, and the other in 1 + 3.

[-- CPU Socket --] [Slot 1] [Slot 2] [Slot 3] [Slot 4]

 

The motherboard will usually apply the same XMP settings across all the DIMMs, so I'm not sure why DDR4-3000 won't work, since that is the slower of option.
 

I'm thinking the Auto memory timings is not compatible...if you JUST set the frequency to DDR4-3000 and DRAM Voltage to 1.35V.

Unless, the motherboard needs more time, or multiple re-train attempts.

[GeneDrozd]

5 hours ago, -rascal- said:

 

I would recommend you check the sticks to make sure.

If it IS two mismatched kits, then you want to put one set in Slots 2 + 4, and the other in 1 + 3.

[-- CPU Socket --] [Slot 1] [Slot 2] [Slot 3] [Slot 4]

 

The motherboard will usually apply the same XMP settings across all the DIMMs, so I'm not sure why DDR4-3000 won't work, since that is the slower of option.
 

I'm thinking the Auto memory timings is not compatible...if you JUST set the frequency to DDR4-3000 and DRAM Voltage to 1.35V.

Unless, the motherboard needs more time, or multiple re-train attempts.

Gotchya, 

 

Both the 3200 and 3000 have 1.35v stamped next to the mhz.

 

So theoretically i should be good? to set to freq to 3000 and dram voltage to 1.35?

[GeneDrozd]

Okay after pulling my hair out heres what i had to do.

 

I wouldnt get XMP 3000 option, only 3200.

 

So i tried to set frequency 3000 and set voltage manually, Though the asus bios clearly sucks, even in manual mode i was not able to change the voltage.

During this process i had the 3000 mhz sticks in A2 and B2 and the 3200mhz stick in a1 and b2.

 

I swapped the sticks, 3000mhz in a1 and b1.

 

Now xmp 3000mhz comes up!!

 

 

Now my last question.

 

use XMP 1 or 2?

 

From my understanding Xmp 1 is the Asus preset and 2 is the Corsair manuf preset.

 

Seeing how bad the asus bios is i defered to leave it as 2... is this a correct choice?