Regarding consedation

[MURFING]

I just realized something and I’m worried I might have done something really bad without noticing.
What I used to do is: after I finish gaming and turn off my PC, I immediately cover it with a plastic cover, then put a bed sheet over it to make sure no pesticide spray reaches it when I spray the room.

ChatGPT told me that this is wrong because the PC stays very hot after use, and when you cover it right away, there’s no ventilation to let the heat escape. The temperature difference between the hot PC and the plastic cover plus the sheet can cause light condensation (water vapor), which is bad if it gets inside the PC.

Is that true?

This is what chat gpt and googe Gemini said: Covering a hot PC immediately after use with a plastic cover and a sheet creates a risk of condensation and moisture damage, which can be very harmful to your electronics.

Here's a breakdown of why this is a potential problem:

1. The Condensation Risk

• Trapped Heat and Humidity: Your PC is hot after gaming. When you cover it with plastic, you create a sealed, humid microenvironment around the machine. The plastic traps the warm air and any water vapor that was inside the case or in the surrounding air.

• Temperature Differential: Condensation forms when warm, moist air touches a cooler surface. As your PC gradually cools down, the air trapped inside the plastic enclosure also cools. However, the metal and glass parts of the PC case (and the components inside) might cool faster than the surrounding air.

• The Dew Point: When the temperature of a surface (like your motherboard, GPU, or case interior) drops below the dew point of the surrounding humid air, the water vapor in that air turns back into liquid water—condensation. This water can condense on sensitive internal components.

I am hella concered and rly would appreciate if someone could tell me if it's true or not accurate enough

[Needfuldoer]

32 minutes ago, MURFING said:

ChatGPT told me

Don't listen to ChatGPT. It's not an all-knowing oracle, it's fancy autocomplete.

 

Moisture in the air is expressed as a percentage of relative humidity because air can hold on to more moisture when it's warmer. Condensation happens when warm, moist air is cooled below its dew point, the temperature where the air is holding on to all the moisture it possibly can.

 

The air in your PC got warmer and drier from the heat of your components running. It can't possibly be any more moist than the rest of the air in your room, and unless you're pointing an AC at it your computer cannot possibly get any cooler than the air in your room.

 

It's fine. I'm more curious as to why you're constantly covering your PC up and spraying pesticides.

[Ha-Satan]

I would be more concerned about you inhaling the pesticide...

[MURFING]

10 minutes ago, Ha-Satan said:

I would be more concerned about you inhaling the pesticide...

I mean I am still hella concerned tho haha

[BiotechBen]

4 minutes ago, MURFING said:

I mean I am still hella concerned tho haha

Do you know what the ambient humidity of the room is?

And what hardware are you running?

[CasualExtremist]

34 minutes ago, MURFING said:

The temperature difference between the hot PC and the plastic cover plus the sheet can cause light condensation

This is only possible if you dramatically cool the room itself w/ air conditioning AFTER placing the cover over the PC. This is because:

 

22 minutes ago, Needfuldoer said:

It can't possibly be any more moist than the rest of the air in your room

Trust the thermodynamics, not a hallucinating LLM.

 

6 minutes ago, MURFING said:

I mean I am still hella concerned tho haha

Get the hell over it. When you look at the actual science instead of letting an LLM hallucinate the science for you, it is easy to see how the concern is not valid. 

[MURFING]

2 minutes ago, BiotechBen said:

Do you know what the ambient humidity of the room is?

And what hardware are you running?

today was around 47 degree but I been doing this every single day this whole week as I am folowing a be bug treatment protocol so no idea how was the humidity the past 6 days 

[Tetras]

3 minutes ago, MURFING said:

today was around 47 degree

How is anything alive in your room? Including you, with 47 degree heat AND spraying pesticide.

[Eigenvektor]

3 minutes ago, MURFING said:

today was around 47 degree 

47°F or °C? Quite the difference in how much humidity air can hold at these temps.

[MURFING]

27 minutes ago, Needfuldoer said:

Don't listen to ChatGPT. It's not an all-knowing oracle, it's fancy autocomplete.

 

Moisture in the air is expressed as a percentage of relative humidity because air can hold on to more moisture when it's warmer. Condensation happens when warm, moist air is cooled below its dew point, the temperature where the air is holding on to all the moisture it possibly can.

 

The air in your PC got warmer and drier from the heat of your components running. It can't possibly be any more moist than the rest of the air in your room, and unless you're pointing an AC at it your computer cannot possibly get any cooler than the air in your room.

 

It's fine. I'm more curious as to why you're constantly covering your PC up and spraying pesticides.

Got u. I was super worried, really.. Following bed-bug treatment protocol

[BiotechBen]

2 minutes ago, MURFING said:

today was around 47 degree but I been doing this every single day this whole week as I am folowing a be bug treatment protocol so no idea how was the humidity the past 6 days 

If it's india 47C: the humidity is probably fairly high, if it's 47F New England, it's probably fairly low. 

 

Condensation tends to go from warm to cool, condensing on the outside of the cold, where warm air holds the humidity (think a cold glass of ice water) 

So if it's 47C in the room, the PC is probably warmer, which IF condensation were to form, it'd be on the OUTSIDE of the case, against the plastic, assuming that the humidity is exceptionally high.

[MURFING]

1 minute ago, BiotechBen said:

If it's india 47C: the humidity is probably fairly high, if it's 47F New England, it's probably fairly low. 

 

Condensation tends to go from warm to cool, condensing on the outside of the cold, where warm air holds the humidity (think a cold glass of ice water) 

So if it's 47C in the room, the PC is probably warmer, which IF condensation were to form, it'd be on the OUTSIDE of the case, against the plastic, assuming that the humidity is exceptionally high.

Egypt tho.. SO basically it can't happen inside the case outside of it 

[spacepickle]

I’m very concerned that you’re following a treatment protocol that involves spraying copious amounts of chemicals while still inhabiting the room. Call a professional or at the very least get out of there until the treatment is finished. 

[GarlicDeliverySystem]

This is a clear case for why AI is bad for questions like this.

 

Technically, the points raised are not wrong as warm air can carry more water vapor in absolute terms (as in g/m3) for the same amount of relative humidity (%), since the maximum amount of water 'soluble' in air increases with temperature. So when you trap a lot of hot air in a cold place, or put cold things in an ambient room atmosphere, you have condensation.

 

But that is totally irrelevant in this context, since all the air in your room is already in equilibrium with the ambient temperature and humidity. So as that air goes inside your tower and gets heated up, the absolute humidity stays more or less constant (slight changes due to decreasing density yada yada etc.) but drops in terms of relative humidity. Cooling that air down slowly inside the former hotbox should not have any risk of condensation, as it never could requilibrate with moisture at those elevated temperatures to hit the higher absolute humidity.

 

AI does not understand this, since it is just a chatbot on steroids and is even programmed to tell you what it thinks you want to hear, NOT what is necessarily true!.

[MURFING]

1 minute ago, spacepickle said:

I’m very concerned that you’re following a treatment protocol that involves spraying copious amounts of chemicals while still inhabiting the room. Call a professional or at the very least get out of there until the treatment is finished. 

I never sleep in it and I never go there until the smell is completely gone and also turn my PC on when the smell is completely gone which is usually after 12 hours

[MURFING]

24 minutes ago, GarlicDeliverySystem said:

This is a clear case for why AI is bad for questions like this.

 

Technically, the points raised are not wrong as warm air can carry more water vapor in absolute terms (as in g/m3) for the same amount of relative humidity (%), since the maximum amount of water 'soluble' in air increases with temperature. So when you trap a lot of hot air in a cold place, or put cold things in an ambient room atmosphere, you have condensation.

 

But that is totally irrelevant in this context, since all the air in your room is already in equilibrium with the ambient temperature and humidity. So as that air goes inside your tower and gets heated up, the absolute humidity stays more or less constant (slight changes due to decreasing density yada yada etc.) but drops in terms of relative humidity. Cooling that air down slowly inside the former hotbox should not have any risk of condensation, as it never could requilibrate with moisture at those elevated temperatures to hit the higher absolute humidity.

 

AI does not understand this, since it is just a chatbot on steroids and is even programmed to tell you what it thinks you want to hear, NOT what is necessarily true!.

Honestly thank u for being helpful enough and not trolling me.. Cuz as u can see some thing are like move ur pc out, how is anything still alive in ur room and some non sense that makes me even more concerned that my PC is in danger fr

[Caroline]

1 hour ago, MURFING said:

ChatGPT told me

Please stop using this "tool" for technical advice. It's incorrect slop made out of random content stolen off websites, when it doesn't "know" anything it just shuffles some strings and creates an answer out of that.

 

I'll never use it for anything, but that's just me.

1 hour ago, MURFING said:

googe Gemini

This one's even worse.

 

 

The real question is why... are you spraying the whole room with pesticides???? and on a daily basis??

 

 

I live in a 100% constant humidity climate and the worst (computer related) I've seen are cheap cases being rusted to the point of having holes, same with regular screws, they rust and "weld" to the motherboard standoffs and the only way to get them out is by cutting them off using a dremel.

 

Cheap cables also fall apart, the insulation isn't damp location rated so it becomes sticky and slowly cracks and peels away. Technically the whole house counts as damp location as the humidity is constantly >85%.

 

 

If you have a SERIOUS insect problem then you gotta start taking the furniture out and deep clean it outside to destroy the nests, same with the room, if the bugs are inside the walls or in normally inaccessible locations they'll reappear if you don't find and eradicate the source.

[Timme]

1 hour ago, MURFING said:

I just realized something and I’m worried I might have done something really bad without noticing.
What I used to do is: after I finish gaming and turn off my PC, I immediately cover it with a plastic cover, then put a bed sheet over it to make sure no pesticide spray reaches it when I spray the room.

This whole thing is worrying because it sounds wrong. Like, "who came up with the cunning plan?" wrong. Can't the pc be not in the room with the all the poison?

[GarlicDeliverySystem]

3 minutes ago, MURFING said:

Honestly thank u for being helpful enough and not trolling me.. Cuz as u can see some thing are like move ur pc out, how is anything still alive in ur room and some non sense that makes me even more concerned that my PC is in danger fr

Oh, I just wasn't giving you shit about the insanity that is flooding your bedroom with pesticides and not thoroughly airing it out before moving in again, but I think the others are already doing a stellar job.

 

Seriously, that stuff can't be good for you.

[Pusbucket]

Regarding consedation,

Yeah, if they are acting up causing riots in the yard, I'm all in favor of sedating convicts.

[MURFING]

I actually don't go there nor sleep there.. I only go there every 13 hours when the smell is gone to turn my PC on and and start working, ya know..

[MURFING]

4 minutes ago, jmwhite33 said:

Regarding consedation,

Yeah, if they are acting up causing riots in the yard, I'm all in favor of sedating convicts.

I actually don't go there nor sleep there.. I only go there every 13 hours when the smell is gone to turn my PC on and and start working, ya know.. U think it can damage my PC tho? or can keep it there?

[MURFING]

1 hour ago, Needfuldoer said:

Don't listen to ChatGPT. It's not an all-knowing oracle, it's fancy autocomplete.

 

Moisture in the air is expressed as a percentage of relative humidity because air can hold on to more moisture when it's warmer. Condensation happens when warm, moist air is cooled below its dew point, the temperature where the air is holding on to all the moisture it possibly can.

 

The air in your PC got warmer and drier from the heat of your components running. It can't possibly be any more moist than the rest of the air in your room, and unless you're pointing an AC at it your computer cannot possibly get any cooler than the air in your room.

 

It's fine. I'm more curious as to why you're constantly covering your PC up and spraying pesticides.

Btw, is my PC in danger being in this room? should I move it out? or it's completely fine as long as I cover it before I spray the room?

[Needfuldoer]

1 hour ago, MURFING said:

Got u. I was super worried, really.. Following bed-bug treatment protocol

Ooh, those little bastards...

 

Yeah you're not going to hurt your PC by covering it up when it's not running. (In fact they used to sell non-breathable plastic computer covers back in the 90s.)

[MURFING]

9 minutes ago, Needfuldoer said:

Ooh, those little bastards...

 

Yeah you're not going to hurt your PC by covering it up when it's not running. (In fact they used to sell non-breathable plastic computer covers back in the 90s.)

Yup not easy to get rid of them quickly, it takes time.. SO like can actualy leave my PC where it is? no need to move it out ? like the spray won't cause any harm?