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Budget (including currency): £2500 initially with £500 credit (idly not using any credit)

Country: UK 

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Mostly building an SIM games with lots of moods.

 

Right so I'm paying around with some configurations of a system on ether overlockers pcspelsists or cyberpower there prices and availability make it a sensible choice for me combine with my own ability. 

 

I would like to have a nice 1440p experience and was looking at having something the centers around the rx9070xt. 

 

I'm just stuck on way CPU to go for 

How much should i be spending on a motherboard.

Is having 4 sticks of ram really that bad shout I just get 64 now if I can 

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1 hour ago, james8449834 said:

Budget (including currency): £2500 initially with £500 credit (idly not using any credit)

Country: UK 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: 

Other details  

Mostly building an SIM games with lots of moods.

 

Right so I'm paying around with some configurations of a system on ether overlockers pcspelsists or cyberpower there prices and availability make it a sensible choice for me combine with my own ability. 

 

I would like to have a nice 1440p experience and was looking at having something the centers around the rx9070xt. 

 

I'm just stuck on way CPU to go for 

How much should i be spending on a motherboard.

Is having 4 sticks of ram really that bad shout I just get 64 now if I can 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X 3.9 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£209.99 @ Ebuyer) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (£37.00 @ Computer Orbit) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B850 GAMING WIFI6 ATX AM5 Motherboard  (£161.99 @ CCL Computers) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL36 Memory  (£203.86 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Western Digital WD_Black SN850X 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£77.00 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£98.00 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: Zotac GAMING AMP Extreme INFINITY GeForce RTX 5080 16 GB Video Card  (£1159.99 @ AWD-IT) 
Case: NZXT H7 Flow (2022) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£79.00 @ Computer Orbit) 
Power Supply: be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£108.69 @ NeoComputers) 
Case Fan: Noctua P14s redux-900 49.26 CFM 140 mm Fan  (£15.95 @ Amazon UK) 
Monitor: Asus ROG Strix XG27ACG 27.0" 2560 x 1440 180 Hz Monitor  (£538.57 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £2690.04
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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2 hours ago, james8449834 said:

I'm just stuck on way CPU to go for 

How much should i be spending on a motherboard.

Is having 4 sticks of ram really that bad shout I just get 64 now if I can 

8 core AM 5Ryzen unless you heavily multitask or something, 8 cores should be plenty for games

 

less than 200 pounds on motherboard

 

yes having 4 sticks is not good, 32GB should be enough, if you never fill 32GB now, you won't fill 32GB later, you can always add the 2 extra sticks later

 

15 minutes ago, Timme said:

Total: £2690.04

over budget (nor not I guess)

 

15 minutes ago, Timme said:

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL36 Memory  (£203.86 @ Amazon UK) 

slow-ish RAM with 4 sticks instead of 2

 

2 hours ago, james8449834 said:

Budget (including currency): £2500 initially with £500 credit (idly not using any credit)

Country: UK 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: 

Other details  

Mostly building an SIM games with lots of moods.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 4.5 GHz 8-Core Processor  (£259.99 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: *Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (£29.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Motherboard: *MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (£149.00 @ Computer Orbit)
Memory: *TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (£91.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£98.00 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: *XFX Quicksilver Radeon RX 9070 XT 16 GB Video Card  (£676.96 @ Ebuyer)
Case: *Montech AIR 903 MAX ATX Mid Tower Case  (£59.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Power Supply: *Thermalright TG 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£99.00 @ Computer Orbit)
Total: £1464.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
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current PC:

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PC configs I used before:

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  2. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050
  3. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz | 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti
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16 minutes ago, podkall said:

over budget

Includes a monitor and an extra case fan. 

 

16 minutes ago, podkall said:

slow-ish RAM with 4 sticks instead of 2

It's a dual-channel mb and AM5 isn't AM4, the speed is plenty for the CPU and GPU, and completely removes the need for the Windows page file forever and ever. 

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3 minutes ago, Timme said:

It's a dual-channel mb and AM5 isn't AM4, the speed is plenty for the CPU and GPU, and completely removes the need for the Windows page file forever and ever. 

It can be whatever channel MB, AM5 isn't AM4, you are right.


AM4 is actually fine with 4 sticks, but AM5 isn't.

 

Because DDR4 is older than DDR5, DDR4 has been figured out, DDR5 is still too recent. And AM5 isn't just guaranteed to work with 4 sticks on OC.

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PC configs I used before:

  1. Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050
  2. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050
  3. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz | 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti
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2 minutes ago, podkall said:

It can be whatever channel MB, AM5 isn't AM4, you are right.


AM4 is actually fine with 4 sticks, but AM5 isn't.

 

Because DDR4 is older than DDR5, DDR4 has been figured out, DDR5 is still too recent. And AM5 isn't just guaranteed to work with 4 sticks on OC.

It works fine under 6000MHz on good motherboards.

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1 minute ago, Timme said:

It works fine under 6000MHz on good motherboards.

But you don't want under 6000Mhz. You want to be gaming, being under 6000Mhz is not gaming, that's 2:1 fabric-clock ratio, potential stuters, or overall slowness because the average latency is lower:

 

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PC configs I used before:

  1. Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050
  2. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050
  3. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz | 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti
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Just now, podkall said:

But you don't want under 6000Mhz. You want to be gaming, being under 6000Mhz is not gaming, that's 2:1 fabric-clock ratio, potential stuters, or overall slowness because the average latency is lower:

 

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Again, it is plenty for the CPU and the intended tasks. CL30 is for the top-tier HW and much more complex tasks. 3 nanoseconds in gaming is nothing.

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17 minutes ago, Timme said:

Again, it is plenty for the CPU and the intended tasks. CL30 is for the top-tier HW and much more complex tasks. 3 nanoseconds in gaming is nothing.

You'd be surprised, also this is top-tier, you are paying 2000pounds for a PC.

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PC configs I used before:

  1. Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050
  2. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050
  3. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz | 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti
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1 minute ago, podkall said:

You'd be surprised, also this is top-tier, you are paying 2000pounds【907,18 kg】 for a PC.

I'm talking 500$+ CPUs.

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Just now, Timme said:

I'm talking 500$+ CPUs.

9800x3D costs less than 500$, there's a reason people go for specific speed and timings, it's not "fine" to just go little bit less, not for everyone.

 

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Ryzen 5 5600 |16GB DDR4 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti [further details on my profile]

PC configs I used before:

  1. Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050
  2. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050
  3. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz | 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti
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3 minutes ago, podkall said:

9800x3D costs less than 500$, there's a reason people go for specific speed and timings, it's not "fine" to just go little bit less, not for everyone.

 

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And the GPU was 5090? Or 4090? With 5080 those will be the same at 1440p.

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@james8449834 here's a board that supports PCIe 5.0 seeing how these RX 90XX gpu's support PCIe 5.0. Plenty of RAM for your mods.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  (£362.39 @ Amazon UK) 
CPU Cooler: *ID-COOLING FROZN A620 PRO SE 58 CFM CPU Cooler  (£29.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: *MSI B850 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (£176.39 @ Ebuyer) 
Memory: *Patriot Venom 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (£159.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: *Silicon Power UD90 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£88.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: *Gigabyte GAMING OC Radeon RX 9070 XT 16 GB Video Card  (£699.99 @ Ebuyer) 
Case: *Montech AIR 903 BASE ATX Mid Tower Case  (£49.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Power Supply: *MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£99.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £1667.72
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
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Monitor: *AOC Q27G4X 27.0" 2560 x 1440 180 Hz Monitor  (£159.00 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £159.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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1 hour ago, Timme said:

And the GPU was 5090? Or 4090? With 5080 those will be the same at 1440p.

They're not same at 1440p

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current PC:

Ryzen 5 5600 |16GB DDR4 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti [further details on my profile]

PC configs I used before:

  1. Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050
  2. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050
  3. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz | 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti
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1 minute ago, Timme said:

Think again. 

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We are talking about RAM latency, what does this have to do with anything?

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Ryzen 5 5600 |16GB DDR4 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti [further details on my profile]

PC configs I used before:

  1. Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050
  2. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050
  3. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz | 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti
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Just now, podkall said:

We are talking about RAM latency, what does this have to do with anything?

Because RAM latency is only good if the GPU can match that latency.

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23 minutes ago, Timme said:

Because RAM latency is only good if the GPU can match that latency.

No? Do you buy 5400RPM HDD when you don't have high-end PC because "it doesn't affect load times the PC is not fastest of the fastest anyway"?

 

GPU doesn't even communicate with RAM, like what are these arguments?

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current PC:

Ryzen 5 5600 |16GB DDR4 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti [further details on my profile]

PC configs I used before:

  1. Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050
  2. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050
  3. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz | 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti
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8 minutes ago, podkall said:

No? Do you buy 5400RPM HDD when you don't have high-end PC because "it doesn't affect load times the PC is not fastest of the fastest anyway"?

 

GPU doesn't even communicate with RAM, like what are these arguments?

The GPU (specifically, the GPU command processor) will then read the buffers from system memory, and start executing the commands.

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1 minute ago, Timme said:

 

The GPU (specifically, the GPU command processor) will then read the buffers from system memory, and start executing the commands.

What's the GPU VRAM for?

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current PC:

Ryzen 5 5600 |16GB DDR4 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti [further details on my profile]

PC configs I used before:

  1. Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050
  2. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050
  3. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz | 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti
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5 minutes ago, Timme said:

Required assets and cache for visual enhancement calculations.

If VRAM is for cache, what's GPU's cache for? How long do you want to be on this hill?

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Ryzen 5 5600 |16GB DDR4 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti [further details on my profile]

PC configs I used before:

  1. Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050
  2. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050
  3. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz | 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti
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1 minute ago, podkall said:

If VRAM is for cache, what's GPU's cache for

Ufff, I've talked about video card ram overall. Fine with you?

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2 minutes ago, Timme said:

Ufff, I've talked about video card ram overall. Fine with you?

Okay, so this is the second time I have to remind you, we were talking about RAM latency, and now you completely moved all goal posts, so I think I'm done here...

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current PC:

Ryzen 5 5600 |16GB DDR4 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti [further details on my profile]

PC configs I used before:

  1. Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050
  2. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050
  3. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz | 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti
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3 minutes ago, podkall said:

Okay, so this is the second time I have to remind you, we were talking about RAM latency, and now you completely moved all goal posts, so I think I'm done here...

I'm sorry, wasn't your point that the GPU doesn't interact with system RAM? Idk why you asked about VRAM.

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