gpu for x5675 socket 1366

[Amir F. Rad]

Budget (including currency): 

Country: 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: this is a second computer just for fun, to try new things and so on

existing parts:

cpu intel xeon x5675  probably gonna upgradeit to 5690

cpu cooler gamer storm aio 240mm 

mobo msi x58 gd-45 

ram: corsair dominator 4gb 1866 x6

psu 600w modular 80 plus gold green world co

case cougar evolution 

corrent gpu on the system : amd rx 580 8gb

ssd samsung 970 evo m.2 500gb or fdk 500gb sata6 

case fan cooler master 120 rgb cycle flow fan x5 

i want to buy a gpu for this pc, this is not my main pc, it is something i only play with it and try new things to learn and have fun, i want to buy a gpu for it and i came across 3 deals, first is 3050 3fan 8gb which is in my city for 100$ (10m toman which is iranian currency), also there is an amd 6600 in a city next to me less than 20 minutes for 95$( 9.5m toman iranian currency) and the thrd one is a gygabite 1080-ti waterforce extreme edition with a pump and 12mm radiator and 6 fittings for 85$( 8.5m toman iranian currency) in another city 5 hours away from me, also i have to travel to that city for another matter, this week, also if i go to that city i can upgade my cpu from 5675 to 5690 for just 10 to 15$, 

first, should i change the cpu

which gpu should i choose, i really appreciate if you guys tell me which gpu to choose for this system, again this is a second pc for just playing around with and sometimes maybe play games, thank you so much

 

[jaslion]

Dont upgrade rhe gpu a rx580nis already overkill for it.

 

 

[Amir F. Rad]

2 hours ago, jaslion said:

Dont upgrade rhe gpu a rx580nis already overkill for it.

 

 

once i did put my 3090 on this mobo and i got around 200 fps in 1080p everything max with it also i forgot to say i overclocked it to 4.2ghz fully stable and works flawlessly, but rx580 only can deliver 150fps, also in gtav, with rx 580, cpu usage i think is under 50%, same story with god of war and forza5, i thought if i change the cpu with x5690, i get 10% more score and reach 4.5ghz, so cpu usage gonna be even lower, this was the logic behind changing gpu, i am really confused dont know what to do, i expected any answer expect what you said

[jaslion]

11 minutes ago, Amir F. Rad said:

cpu usage i think is under 50%

Thats quite normal its a 12 thread cpu and the games listed dont tend to be able to use all those threads. Some threads will be at 100%.

 

12 minutes ago, Amir F. Rad said:

this mobo and i got around 200 fps in 1080p everything max

Yeah what game?

 

The reason for my answer is that any lga 1366 cpu is just super far behind anything these days and a major cpu bottleneck. On average a rx580 is about as far as you can push this platform before significang diminishing returns gpu wise.

 

The fact you only see 50fps difference jn whatever game you tried makes it painfully obvious. As well a 3090 is waaay faster.

 

9/10 times the cpu is gonna hold a rx580 bavk. HOWEVER max settings in most games are TERRIBLY optimized and made to waste performance for no visual improvement. So it id possible to max a rx580 out under some circumstances.

 

 

Either way id not waste any money on a 16 year old computer.

 

Also no guarantee a 5690 goes to 4.5ghz thats very hard to get to.

 

Also also overclocking performance gains ,ARE NOT LINEAR. Higher frequency does not always mean a faster cpu. Since this is running a chip beyond spec a lot of weirdness can happen and people call it a "bad oc". Where its stable and the clockspeed is higher but when testing the cpu is actually slower. It usually happens at the hard hard limit for a chip.

[Amir F. Rad]

5 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Thats quite normal its a 12 thread cpu and the games listed dont tend to be able to use all those threads. Some threads will be at 100%.

 

Yeah what game?

 

The reason for my answer is that any lga 1366 cpu is just super far behind anything these days and a major cpu bottleneck. On average a rx580 is about as far as you can push this platform before significang diminishing returns gpu wise.

 

The fact you only see 50fps difference jn whatever game you tried makes it painfully obvious. As well a 3090 is waaay faster.

 

9/10 times the cpu is gonna hold a rx580 bavk. HOWEVER max settings in most games are TERRIBLY optimized and made to waste performance for no visual improvement. So it id possible to max a rx580 out under some circumstances.

 

 

Either way id not waste any money on a 16 year old computer.

 

Also no guarantee a 5690 goes to 4.5ghz thats very hard to get to.

 

Also also overclocking performance gains ,ARE NOT LINEAR. Higher frequency does not always mean a faster cpu. Since this is running a chip beyond spec a lot of weirdness can happen and people call it a "bad oc". Where its stable and the clockspeed is higher but when testing the cpu is actually slower. It usually happens at the hard hard limit for a chip.

the game i saw these fps was pes 2021, i think its other name is efootbal 2021, yes i am fully aware of problems with oc, and i spent a lot of time ti be able to reach this frequency and in all the benchmarks, i got massive improvements and i saw the diffrence on the games, i know it is old but if you see its benchmarks, in multi thread it bits intel 9400, also the guy who sells the x5690 has a couple of this cpu and if i go to change the cpu, i overclock them one by one to choose the one i am gonna buy, so basically you think it is better i dont change the cpu or gpu even if it is cheap

[Amir F. Rad]

18 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Thats quite normal its a 12 thread cpu and the games listed dont tend to be able to use all those threads. Some threads will be at 100%.

 

Yeah what game?

 

The reason for my answer is that any lga 1366 cpu is just super far behind anything these days and a major cpu bottleneck. On average a rx580 is about as far as you can push this platform before significang diminishing returns gpu wise.

 

The fact you only see 50fps difference jn whatever game you tried makes it painfully obvious. As well a 3090 is waaay faster.

 

9/10 times the cpu is gonna hold a rx580 bavk. HOWEVER max settings in most games are TERRIBLY optimized and made to waste performance for no visual improvement. So it id possible to max a rx580 out under some circumstances.

 

 

Either way id not waste any money on a 16 year old computer.

 

Also no guarantee a 5690 goes to 4.5ghz thats very hard to get to.

 

Also also overclocking performance gains ,ARE NOT LINEAR. Higher frequency does not always mean a faster cpu. Since this is running a chip beyond spec a lot of weirdness can happen and people call it a "bad oc". Where its stable and the clockspeed is higher but when testing the cpu is actually slower. It usually happens at the hard hard limit for a chip.

one of the things really puzzles me is on cpuz i get 3000 point on multi thread, which is close to intel core i3 12100 with 3200 point, if this cpu is so much underpowered how it hits so high scores equal to low end current gen cpus, also in single thread i think it was close to 400 point which is almost the same as intel core i7 6700, also for comparison, i have another pc with pentium g7400 cpu lga 1700, its single core is 555 and multi core is 1500 which is the same as core i3 9100, are these benchmark scores wrong ? or there is something more than what i can understand in here, this is the main reason behind my confusion, also again forcomaprison my other pc intel core i5 13600k hits multi core score in cpuz 10000 and single core of 840 if i remember correctlyso it is almost double the single core score of overclocked x5676 and 3090 even in 1080p bottle necks 13600k so half of 3090 must not be able to bottle neck x5676, is my thinking wrong?

[jaslion]

8 hours ago, Amir F. Rad said:

on cpuz i get 3000 point on multi thread, which is close to intel core i3 12100 with 3200 point, if this cpu is so much underpowered how it hits so high scores equal to low end current gen cpus, also in single thread i think it was close to 400 point which is almost the same as intel core i7 6700, also for comparison, i have another pc with pentium g7400 cpu lga 1700, its single core is 555 and multi core is 1500 which is the same as core i3 9100, are

So the BIG thing is single core here and the x5690 even oc'd is SEVERELY lacking there.

 

Yes multi core its quite ok really it matching a i5 9400 isnr a big surprise as its quite a low clocked 6 threaded i5. Those 12 threads on the xeon help a lot in multi.

 

A 12100 is gonna WIPE the floor with it gaming performance wise and is MUCH closer to your i5 13600.

 

There is a HARD cutoff point where games go from playable to unplayable if the single core speed is too low and there aren't enough threads.

 

8 hours ago, Amir F. Rad said:

almost double the single core score of overclocked x5676 and 3090 even in 1080p bottle necks 13600k so half of 3090 must not be able to bottle neck x5676, is my thinking wrong?

So whilst in theory this sounds correct in practice if a cpu doesnt meet minimum expected performance a game wouldnt just run at low fps it couldnjust be a stuttery unplayable mess which is common on these old xeons now. If you'd check 1% and 0.1% lows you'll often see REALLY bad dips on the xeon and just gine on the i5.

 

9 hours ago, Amir F. Rad said:

the game i saw these fps was pes 2021, i

Pro evolution soccer is MADE to run on like everything and this one is running on a FAR older engine backend. The graphics difference is to be expected as those games have some stupid insane extreme settings that make zero sense like what was it 4x resolution scaling and such. So yeah running that game maxed at 1080p is basically running it maxed at 4k :p. A 580 will be a bit slower then.

[Amir F. Rad]

3 hours ago, jaslion said:

So the BIG thing is single core here and the x5690 even oc'd is SEVERELY lacking there.

 

Yes multi core its quite ok really it matching a i5 9400 isnr a big surprise as its quite a low clocked 6 threaded i5. Those 12 threads on the xeon help a lot in multi.

 

A 12100 is gonna WIPE the floor with it gaming performance wise and is MUCH closer to your i5 13600.

 

There is a HARD cutoff point where games go from playable to unplayable if the single core speed is too low and there aren't enough threads.

 

So whilst in theory this sounds correct in practice if a cpu doesnt meet minimum expected performance a game wouldnt just run at low fps it couldnjust be a stuttery unplayable mess which is common on these old xeons now. If you'd check 1% and 0.1% lows you'll often see REALLY bad dips on the xeon and just gine on the i5.

 

Pro evolution soccer is MADE to run on like everything and this one is running on a FAR older engine backend. The graphics difference is to be expected as those games have some stupid insane extreme settings that make zero sense like what was it 4x resolution scaling and such. So yeah running that game maxed at 1080p is basically running it maxed at 4k :p. A 580 will be a bit slower then.

understood thank you so much for your advices, just one thing, if you would have wanted to buy a gpu which one of these 3 you would have choose, also between 3090 for 400$ and 4070-tis for 800$ which one you would have choose for 13600k, i sold my 3090 a couple of months ago to get ready to buy 5090 when it comes out and thought it cant be more than 2000$ and now i am stuck without a gpu for my main pc so just using this xeon to playing games once twice a month, and it seems i have to choose for a new gpu, i can spend 3000$ for a 5090 but i think spending that much on a 3 years old intel midrage cpu is wrong now what would you do for this one

[jaslion]

Well a 3090 for 400 is a steal but also obviously a scam. A 4070ti super is a pretty good card but the real winner of eaw performance/value atm is a 7900xt/xtx.

 

Just general advise NEVER sell your gpu early before the launch of a new one. Or well do rhis for any product there is always a good chance the product is bad, not available, bad pricing,....

 

And the 5090 is all of that with the melting cables, scalped prices, no stock, broken chips...

 

So just as futurr advice keep what you have and sell it AFTER you have the new item.

[Amir F. Rad]

3 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Well a 3090 for 400 is a steal but also obviously a scam. A 4070ti super is a pretty good card but the real winner of eaw performance/value atm is a 7900xt/xtx.

 

Just general advise NEVER sell your gpu early before the launch of a new one. Or well do rhis for any product there is always a good chance the product is bad, not available, bad pricing,....

 

And the 5090 is all of that with the melting cables, scalped prices, no stock, broken chips...

 

So just as futurr advice keep what you have and sell it AFTER you have the new item.

it is not a scam, i go to their shop, install the gpu on my system, test it fully in any game i like, any way i like multiple times as long as i want in their place and then pay and go, in iran, because of economy dificulties in here, mid range parts become dirt cheap because simply there is no buyer for them, because there isnt a midrage class citizen anymore in iran, we have only poor people and wealthy which always connected to the government, i am 100% sure this 3090 is not a scam and the seller has 20 or so galax sg and pny xlr8, the gpus still have garanty sticker over their scews but with no box and they used to get mined, in this case do you still think i should go with 7900xtx? also i want to do some ai shit with my fastest pc to run my local llm

[jaslion]

2 hours ago, Amir F. Rad said:

it is not a scam, i go to their shop, install the gpu on my system, test it fully in any game i like, any way i like multiple times as long as i want in their place and then pay and go, in iran, because of economy dificulties in here, mid range parts become dirt cheap because simply there is no buyer for them, because there isnt a midrage class citizen anymore in iran, we have only poor people and wealthy which always connected to the government, i am 100% sure this 3090 is not a scam and the seller has 20 or so galax sg and pny xlr8, the gpus still have garanty sticker over their scews but with no box and they used to get mined, in this case do you still think i should go with 7900xtx? also i want to do some ai shit with my fastest pc to run my local llm

Get the 3090 good deal then!

[Amir F. Rad]

47 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Get the 3090 good deal then!

i just marked your last answer as the solution, just imagine another person is looking to choose a gpu for their x58 mobo and comes across this post and goes to the answer and sees the answer to the gpu for a x5675 cpu is 3090

[jaslion]

1 hour ago, Amir F. Rad said:

i just marked your last answer as the solution, just imagine another person is looking to choose a gpu for their x58 mobo and comes across this post and goes to the answer and sees the answer to the gpu for a x5675 cpu is 3090

Oh I mean the 3090 was my answer for your 13600k system lol. Not at all for a x58 platform haha.