Power Problems, CPU replacement gone wrong

[ulookuglynoob]

I recently got a 14600k to replace my 12100f, and Idk what could have gone worse. Firstly, my CPU is idling at 60 degrees and is going up to 100 when stress tested. I am using a pretty old aio that my cousin gifted to me from his old rig and am using the same brand of thermal paste that kept my 12100f cool, so this worries me. Secondly, my pc is causing the power in my room to go out every time I play games or run cinebench on multicore. This cpu replacement was very disastrous, and I am thinking of returning it. Should I undervolt my cpu? My b660 Aorus Master ddr4 doesn't support overclocking, but it should allow undervolting, but I do not want to lose much performance and don't have experience undervolting cpus. I appreciate the feedback. Thanks!

[Tan3l6]

8 minutes ago, ulookuglynoob said:

Should I undervolt my cpu?

That, and lower the CPU power limit in BIOS. Though idling at 60C seems a tad high.

I have the power limit at 210W if I remember correctly, and still stable 5.6Ghz. With AIO it's much easier, but you could lower voltage and power limit till the temps are under control.

[jaslion]

What cooler is it?

[ulookuglynoob]

25 minutes ago, jaslion said:

What cooler is it?

CoolerMaster MasterLiquid ML120L RGB V1. The old model.

29 minutes ago, Tan3l6 said:

That, and lower the CPU power limit in BIOS. Though idling at 60C seems a tad high.

I have the power limit at 210W if I remember correctly, and still stable 5.6Ghz. With AIO it's much easier, but you could lower voltage and power limit till the temps are under control.

I am not experienced when it comes to lowering cpu voltages. 

[Tan3l6]

4 minutes ago, ulookuglynoob said:

CoolerMaster MasterLiquid ML120L RGB V1. The old model.

I am not experienced when it comes to lowering cpu voltages. 

OK, if you don't really know how to tinker with voltage and power limit options you should at least buy a decent cooler. 120mm AIO is useless.

I'd recommend some dual tower Thermalright cooler, like: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/79bRsY/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120se-black

or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/w8n9TW/thermalright-peerless-assassin-140-778-cfm-cpu-cooler-peerless-assassin-140-black

 

or some higher tier model.

[ulookuglynoob]

1 minute ago, Tan3l6 said:

OK, if you don't really know how to tinker with voltage and power limit options you should at least buy a decent cooler. 120mm AIO is useless.

I'd recommend some dual tower Thermalright cooler, like: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/79bRsY/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120se-black

or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hYxRsY/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120-se-d3

 

or some higher tier model.

Are 120mm aios that bad? It was cooling my 12100f well. Or maybe it was because it was a 12100f...

[Tan3l6]

1 minute ago, ulookuglynoob said:

Are 120mm aios that bad? It was cooling my 12100f well. Or maybe it was because it was a 12100f...

120mm are around as effective as a single tower air-cooler. It really is not too good. 12100F is very low power CPU, so no wonder.

I'd even say that get AIO for 14600K - Arctic Freezer III 360 if it fits your PC case.

[ulookuglynoob]

1 minute ago, Tan3l6 said:

120mm are around as effective as a single tower air-cooler. It really is not too good. 12100F is very low power CPU, so no wonder.

I'd even say that get AIO for 14600K - Arctic Freezer III 360 if it fits your PC case.

I am broke rn. spend all the money on the cpu. Maybe I should try undervolting?

[Tan3l6]

2 minutes ago, ulookuglynoob said:

I am broke rn. spend all the money on the cpu. Maybe I should try undervolting?

Yeah, under-volting is really easy, so is actually lowering the power limits, though I cant really instruct where in the BIOS settings they are as all BIOS-es are tad different on different brands of motherboard manufacturers.

You can always clear cmos if the settings are so unstable that PC won't POST. It might take time the tinkering but in the end probably worth it.

[PDifolco]

44 minutes ago, ulookuglynoob said:

I recently got a 14600k to replace my 12100f, and Idk what could have gone worse. Firstly, my CPU is idling at 60 degrees and is going up to 100 when stress tested. I am using a pretty old aio that my cousin gifted to me from his old rig and am using the same brand of thermal paste that kept my 12100f cool, so this worries me. Secondly, my pc is causing the power in my room to go out every time I play games or run cinebench on multicore. This cpu replacement was very disastrous, and I am thinking of returning it. Should I undervolt my cpu? My b660 Aorus Master ddr4 doesn't support overclocking, but it should allow undervolting, but I do not want to lose much performance and don't have experience undervolting cpus. I appreciate the feedback. Thanks!

I don't think the CPU replacement really went wrong, but rather that your rig that can't handle a 12600K

- Weak cooling => high temps

- possibly bad PSU => power shutdown

You can maybe just drop all boost in BIOS and see what happens at 90W max

[ulookuglynoob]

2 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

I don't think the CPU replacement really went wrong, but rather that your rig that can't handle a 12600K

- Weak cooling => high temps

- possibly bad PSU => power shutdown

You can maybe just drop all boost in BIOS and see what happens at 90W max

i have 14600k, so it even worse. should I return it?

[ulookuglynoob]

3 minutes ago, Tan3l6 said:

Yeah, under-volting is really easy, so is actually lowering the power limits, though I cant really instruct where in the BIOS settings they are as all BIOS-es are tad different on different brands of motherboard manufacturers.

You can always clear cmos if the settings are so unstable that PC won't POST. It might take time the tinkering but in the end probably worth it.

Thats some good advice. I will attempt it.

[PDifolco]

Just now, ulookuglynoob said:

i have 14600k, so it even worse. should I return it?

Either invest in better cooling and PSU, or swap it for a much cooler 14400

[ulookuglynoob]

1 hour ago, PDifolco said:

Either invest in better cooling and PSU, or swap it for a much cooler 14400

idk. in gaming performance, I didn't notice a difference at all. should I return and save for a new build?

[PDifolco]

19 minutes ago, ulookuglynoob said:

idk. in gaming performance, I didn't notice a difference at all. should I return and save for a new build?

 if there's no difference at all you're are seriously GPU bound

What's your system ?

[ulookuglynoob]

20 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

 if there's no difference at all you're are seriously GPU bound

What's your system ?

I have a 3070.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xCZcb2

I play cpu intensives like valorant and fortnite and cap fps at 180. I play at 1080p.

[ulookuglynoob]

21 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

 if there's no difference at all you're are seriously GPU bound

What's your system ?

Its not a noticeable uplift

[PDifolco]

2 minutes ago, ulookuglynoob said:

I have a 3070.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xCZcb2

I play cpu intensives like valorant and fortnite and cap fps at 180. I play at 1080p.

If you cap fps how can you expect a performance gain lol ?

[ulookuglynoob]

8 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

If you cap fps how can you expect a performance gain lol ?

My monitor is 180 htz only anyways. So should I return? 

[PDifolco]

16 minutes ago, ulookuglynoob said:

My monitor is 180 htz only anyways. So should I return? 

This means you don't need a better rig as long as you only play that game, which is really not demanding, a potato can play it smoothly

Now if you want to play more demanding games your CPU will be a bottleneck, imo a 14400 or 14600 are way more future proof as they have 6P cores + some Ecores vs only 4 cores on a 12100

[ulookuglynoob]

13 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

This means you don't need a better rig as long as you only play that game, which is really not demanding, a potato can play it smoothly

Now if you want to play more demanding games your CPU will be a bottleneck, imo a 14400 or 14600 are way more future proof as they have 6P cores + some Ecores vs only 4 cores on a 12100

OK Thanks! I will just return my 14600k. I am happy with my 12100f. 

[ulookuglynoob]

On 12/17/2024 at 11:31 AM, PDifolco said:

This means you don't need a better rig as long as you only play that game, which is really not demanding, a potato can play it smoothly

Now if you want to play more demanding games your CPU will be a bottleneck, imo a 14400 or 14600 are way more future proof as they have 6P cores + some Ecores vs only 4 cores on a 12100

Or do you think I shoudl try to undervolt first?

[PDifolco]

7 hours ago, ulookuglynoob said:

Or do you think I shoudl try to undervolt first?

Imo it won't change things much, undervolting results in higher clocks and a bit less heat, but not lower power

[ulookuglynoob]

3 hours ago, PDifolco said:

Imo it won't change things much, undervolting results in higher clocks and a bit less heat, but not lower power

Ok, thanks! I will just save up for a new build.

[ulookuglynoob]

3 hours ago, PDifolco said:

Imo it won't change things much, undervolting results in higher clocks and a bit less heat, but not lower power

Wait, I just stumbled upon peltier coolers. Should I get one? But It would put a strain on my aio, right?