OC 12100f?

[ulookuglynoob]

Dumb idea, but what if i oc'ed my 12100f. My current mobo (aorus master ddr4 b660) doesn't allow it, but if i bought a new mobo and OC'ed it, would it perform well? idk, its dumb, but what if?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4H6FNO7IvM&

pls comment and tell me if performance diff is worth the 105 to get new z690 mobo used. p.s. You can oc non k cpus. or im pretty sure.

[Agall]

3 minutes ago, ulookuglynoob said:

Dumb idea, but what if i oc'ed my 12100f. My current mobo (aorus master ddr4 b660) doesn't allow it, but if i bought a new mobo and OC'ed it, would it perform well? idk, its dumb, but what if?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4H6FNO7IvM&

pls comment and tell me if performance diff is worth the 105 to get new z690 mobo used. p.s. You can oc non k cpus. or im pretty sure.

Can't change the multiplier on a 12100f but you can chance the base frequency. BCLK frequency OCing isn't worth it since that affects the PCIe bus which can cause instability/corruption on PCIe connected storage.

[Electronics Wizardy]

I'd say not worth it. Probably much better off selling it and trying to buy a i5 instead, and quad core chips are still pretty limited in lots of games and programs even with a OC.

 

Remember the Z chipset doesn't matter here as your not overclocking a unlocked cpu. You need the board with a bclk clock gen which is realitivy few models.

[Tetras]

There were a few boards that made overclocking possible, but you'd be better off just buying a 12400F or 12600KF instead of a new board.

[RONOTHAN##]

17 minutes ago, ulookuglynoob said:

You can oc non k cpus. or im pretty sure.

You can, you just need a very specific board. Not just any old Z690 board will work. The cheapest board that works with it is usually the B760M PG Riptide. 

 

You do get about 30% performance gains in games by HardwareUnboxed's testing, so if you think that's worth the extra cost, feel free. I'd argue that it probably isn't. 

 

13 minutes ago, Agall said:

BCLK frequency OCing isn't worth it since that affects the PCIe bus which can cause instability/corruption on PCIe connected storage.

Starting with 6th gen, Intel decoupled the PCIe clocks from the base clock that the memory, CPU, and cache use, so this isn't a risk when doing BCLK OC on these chips. Relatively high BCLK values aren't that big a challenge with these chips because of this, and there's no risk of damaging M.2 SSDs or anything like that. 

[ulookuglynoob]

Just now, RONOTHAN## said:

You can, you just need a very specific board. Not just any old Z690 board will work. The cheapest board that works with it is usually the B760M PG Riptide. 

 

You do get about 30% performance gains in games by HardwareUnboxed's testing, so if you think that's worth the extra cost, feel free. I'd argue that it probably isn't. 

That is a lot. How good is the b760m PG riptide, and how exactly would i oc it?

 

[RONOTHAN##]

1 minute ago, ulookuglynoob said:

That is a lot. How good is the b760m PG riptide, and how exactly would i oc it?

 

It's a decent board, the cheapest LGA 1700 board I'd be willing to put a 14900K in. This is the full list of motherboards with support for this:

https://community.hwbot.org/topic/210553-intel-12th-gen-non-k-oc-capable-boards-bios-versions/

Theoretically there are some others that you can get it to work on, but that would involve manually modifying a BIOS file so I'd stick to these (especially since the other boards will be more expensive). 

 

As for how you'd do it, I haven't used that board so I can't say for certain, though the general process should be enable a setting to allow for non-K OC (every motherboard vendor calls it something different), set the CPU core ratio to the max value (IIRC it should be 40), set the ring clock to something like 36 (you can tune this later), set the BCLK to 125MHz, set the memory speed to something reasonable for your memory kit (probably 6000MT/s), and set the voltage to something like 1.35V. That should give you a 5GHz OC with 4.5GHz ring. To raise the clock speeds, raise the BCLK and make sure to keep the ring clock and memory clock in check from getting too high. You can tune the ring clock and memory clock later if you want to overclock them as well, they just take more effort and should be done after tuning the core clock. 

[ulookuglynoob]

2 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

It's a decent board, the cheapest LGA 1700 board I'd be willing to put a 14900K in. This is the full list of motherboards with support for this:

https://community.hwbot.org/topic/210553-intel-12th-gen-non-k-oc-capable-boards-bios-versions/

Theoretically there are some others that you can get it to work on, but that would involve manually modifying a BIOS file so I'd stick to these (especially since the other boards will be more expensive). 

 

As for how you'd do it, I haven't used that board so I can't say for certain, though the general process should be enable a setting to allow for non-K OC (every motherboard vendor calls it something different), set the CPU core ratio to the max value (IIRC it should be 40), set the ring clock to something like 36 (you can tune this later), set the BCLK to 125MHz, set the memory speed to something reasonable for your memory kit (probably 6000MT/s), and set the voltage to something like 1.35V. That should give you a 5GHz OC with 4.5GHz ring. To raise the clock speeds, raise the BCLK and make sure to keep the ring clock and memory clock in check from getting too high. You can tune the ring clock and memory clock later if you want to overclock them as well, they just take more effort and should be done after tuning the core clock. 

oh, also have ddr4

 

[RONOTHAN##]

3 minutes ago, ulookuglynoob said:

oh, also have ddr4

 

Then your outta luck. There are only two boards that support non-K OC and DDR4: the MSI B660M Mortar Max DDR4 and the B660M PG Riptide. Neither of those boards released outside of Asia and are very difficult to find. 

[podkall]

17 minutes ago, ulookuglynoob said:

oh, also have ddr4

 

what speed?

[ulookuglynoob]

2 hours ago, podkall said:

what speed?

2133. when i enable xmp, it bluescreens. bought em used, and they cant oc to 3600mhz. not a huge performance diff anyways.

2 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Then your outta luck. There are only two boards that support non-K OC and DDR4: the MSI B660M Mortar Max DDR4 and the B660M PG Riptide. Neither of those boards released outside of Asia and are very difficult to find. 

well, thanks anyways.

[podkall]

12 hours ago, ulookuglynoob said:

2133. when i enable xmp, it bluescreens. bought em used, and they cant oc to 3600mhz. not a huge performance diff anyways.

ummm, actually it is huge performance diff,

 

the question is, what kind of RAM sticks you have, did you buy two separate kits, or individual sticks, or all 4 sticks come from a kit?

 

are they from same brand? are they rated for same speed and latency?

 

the 2133Mhz speed even has significantly lower timings, not sure if stock speeds have lower timings,

 

 

 

• The video uses i9-9900k which compared to stock 10600k is similar
• The video also uses 2x slower RTX 2080 compared to your 7900 XT
• As you can see even though 2133Mhz uses faster CL timings, it doesn't matter, both 3200 and 2666 speeds are faster

 

 

 

 

[ulookuglynoob]

37 minutes ago, podkall said:

ummm, actually it is huge performance diff,

 

the question is, what kind of RAM sticks you have, did you buy two separate kits, or individual sticks, or all 4 sticks come from a kit?

 

are they from same brand? are they rated for same speed and latency?

 

the 2133Mhz speed even has significantly lower timings, not sure if stock speeds have lower timings,

 

 

 

• The video uses i9-9900k which compared to stock 10600k is similar
• The video also uses 2x slower RTX 2080 compared to your 7900 XT
• As you can see even though 2133Mhz uses faster CL timings, it doesn't matter, both 3200 and 2666 speeds are faster

 

 

 

 

It was the same kit. Riptide 3600mhz 2 sticks of 8 gb. Should I buy new ram? I wasn't sure if I should. If I should, I would want 3600mhz. and RGB, for the extra fps (i just like aesthetics).

[ulookuglynoob]

Is this decent? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gVjBD3/silicon-power-xpower-zenith-rgb-gaming-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-sp016gxlzu360bdd

Pretty cheap.

[ulookuglynoob]

Or should I get this: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4WtKHx/gskill-trident-z-rgb-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c18d-16gtzr

Costs more, so I wouldn't prefer it.

[podkall]

9 minutes ago, ulookuglynoob said:

It was the same kit. Riptide 3600mhz 2 sticks of 8 gb. Should I buy new ram? I wasn't sure if I should. If I should, I would want 3600mhz. and RGB, for the extra fps (i just like aesthetics).

well you said you have 4 sticks,

 

could you try using just 2 sticks of they are 8GB, preferably if you can distinguish between the two kits? (if not just try 2 8GB sticks assuming you have 8GB sticks)

[ulookuglynoob]

3 minutes ago, podkall said:

well you said you have 4 sticks,

 

could you try using just 2 sticks of they are 8GB, preferably if you can distinguish between the two kits? (if not just try 2 8GB sticks assuming you have 8GB sticks)

No, only got 2 8gb. did i say 4? if so, sorry bout the confusion. And what do you mean about the distinguish part? to be honest, they got the same specs, one is just silicon power, and the other is gskill trident.

[podkall]

2 minutes ago, ulookuglynoob said:

No, only got 2 8gb. did i say 4? if so, sorry bout the confusion. And what do you mean about the distinguish part? to be honest, they got the same specs, one is just silicon power, and the other is gskill trident.

oh you have 2 different sticks? yeah that's where potential issues can rise,

 

you said XMP makes the PC crash or some issues come with XMP enabled?

[ulookuglynoob]

Just now, podkall said:

oh you have 2 different sticks? yeah that's where potential issues can rise,

 

you said XMP makes the PC crash or some issues come with XMP enabled?

man, im just bad at explaining things. the current kit I have are both gskill riptide. the two links I provided are silicon gaming and gskill trident, and I asked which one I should get. sorry about that.

[podkall]

2 minutes ago, ulookuglynoob said:

man, im just bad at explaining things. the current kit I have are both gskill riptide. the two links I provided are silicon gaming and gskill trident, and I asked which one I should get. sorry about that.

well, there's no need to buy new RAM if you can get your current one to OC, if it's in kit it should work in OC,

 

also faster RAM might not work on your 10600k, because it's memory controller might not handle faster RAM.

[ulookuglynoob]

2 minutes ago, podkall said:

well, there's no need to buy new RAM if you can get your current one to OC, if it's in kit it should work in OC,

 

also faster RAM might not work on your 10600k, because it's memory controller might not handle faster RAM.

No I cant. Theres an issue with my ram. when I enable xmp, they bluescreen. checked each ram individually too. I bought em used, which as a dumb idea.

[ulookuglynoob]

4 minutes ago, podkall said:

well, there's no need to buy new RAM if you can get your current one to OC, if it's in kit it should work in OC,

 

also faster RAM might not work on your 10600k, because it's memory controller might not handle faster RAM.

I have a 12100f

[podkall]

1 minute ago, ulookuglynoob said:

I have a 12100f

oh yeah, I've been to lot of threads lately, so I might misremember things,

 

1 minute ago, ulookuglynoob said:

No I cant. Theres an issue with my ram. when I enable xmp, they bluescreen. checked each ram individually too. I bought em used, which as a dumb idea.

instantly or when you start gaming?

 

what is the rating on your RAM in terms of speed?

[ulookuglynoob]

24 minutes ago, podkall said:

oh yeah, I've been to lot of threads lately, so I might misremember things,

 

instantly or when you start gaming?

 

what is the rating on your RAM in terms of speed?

instantly, and it is 3200mhz.

[podkall]

2 minutes ago, ulookuglynoob said:

instantly, and it is 3200mhz.

try, enabling XMP, then changing frequency to 3000mhz,

 

if that crashes try lower, all the way to 2666Mhz, see if any of the frequencies between 2666-3000 work,

 

so you enable XMP, and then you should be able to find window with 3200Mhz speed, clicking it will give you all kinds of speed options, and you can set it to 3000-2666Mhz speed, and see if those crash the PC or not.