help AMD software is still broken

[DandaCze]

Hello
I bought R5 1600 week ago and since it's bottlenecked by everything else and im planning to have it for half a decade atleast i would like to undervolt it
I've tried to undervolt it with ryzen master with some luck but i have some problems
     a) if i drop frequency and voltage at the same time it crashes even tho it's stable if i do it gradually (i thing this is because it drops voltage before frequency so it crashes in that split second)
     b) if i save it and restart my pc it not only dosen't load the profile but it even dosen't save that profile at all
I'm doing something wrong or should i use different software?

[PDifolco]

37 minutes ago, DandaCze said:

Hello
I bought R5 1600 week ago and since it's bottlenecked by everything else and im planning to have it for half a decade atleast i would like to undervolt it
I've tried to undervolt it with ryzen master with some luck but i have some problems
     a) if i drop frequency and voltage at the same time it crashes even tho it's stable if i do it gradually (i thing this is because it drops voltage before frequency so it crashes in that split second)
     b) if i save it and restart my pc it not only dosen't load the profile but it even dosen't save that profile at all
I'm doing something wrong or should i use different software?

You can't make a sports car out of an old Toyota ..

Your CPU may just not work on any undervolt, and even if it did it will only perform very marginally faster

[DandaCze]

Just now, PDifolco said:

You can't make a sports car out of an old Toyota ..

Your CPU may just not work on any undervolt, and even if it did it will only perform very marginally faster

mate did you read it i was saying that i want to make it slower so it doesn't degrade as fast

[PDifolco]

2 minutes ago, DandaCze said:

mate did you read it i was saying that i want to make it slower so it doesn't degrade as fast

It won't change longevity like at all, undervolt is not "less volts" it's "less volt for a given clock speed"

And didn't ever see any study showing limliting voltage makes chip last longer as long as you're in safe range

1600 is pretty old already anyway, and imo not a good buy, a 2600 is already quite better and is newer for $45, and a 3600 is quite nice at $60

[DandaCze]

1 minute ago, PDifolco said:

It won't change longevity like at all, undervolt is not "less volts" it's "less volt for a given clock speed"

And didn't ever see any study showing limliting voltage makes chip last longer as long as you're in safe range

1600 is pretty old already anyway, and imo not a good buy, a 2600 is already quite better and is newer for $45, and a 3600 is quite nice at $60

yeeaaah but my mobo is not compatible with 2600 and i got thi one for 42 usd

[PDifolco]

1 minute ago, DandaCze said:

yeeaaah but my mobo is not compatible with 2600 and i got thi one for 42 usd

What mobo is that ? Afaik all Zen boards are compatible with Zen+ and Zen2, usually Zen3 as well

[Tetras]

2 hours ago, DandaCze said:

b) if i save it and restart my pc it not only dosen't load the profile but it even dosen't save that profile at all
I'm doing something wrong or should i use different software?

This might help.

 

Personally, I'd stick with the BIOS rather than doing it via Ryzen Master.

[DandaCze]

2 hours ago, PDifolco said:

What mobo is that ? Afaik all Zen boards are compatible with Zen+ and Zen2, usually Zen3 as well

X570

[DandaCze]

39 minutes ago, Tetras said:

This might help.

 

Personally, I'd stick with the BIOS rather than doing it via Ryzen Master.

i don't want to clear cmos every time i mess up also i wanst to get it under 2,8 GHz

[jaslion]

2 hours ago, DandaCze said:

mate did you read it i was saying that i want to make it slower so it doesn't degrade as fast

Your cpu will become DECADES old with ease as long as its properly made and the 1600 is. Dont worry one bit about undervolting.

 

 

[jaslion]

11 minutes ago, DandaCze said:

X570

Which x570? Normally they support EVERY amd am4 cpu except maybe the early a seties

[DandaCze]

Just now, jaslion said:

Which x570? Normally they support EVERY amd am4 cpu except maybe the early a seties

ASRock X570 4PRO

[freeagent]

Dont touch the voltage, just let it be.

 

You wont be doing yourself, or the CPU any favors by undervolting it.

 

Ryzen Master is trash. If you are not prepare to clear the cmos, then don't play with it..

[DandaCze]

5 minutes ago, freeagent said:

Dont touch the voltage, just let it be.

 

You wont be doing yourself, or the CPU any favors by undervolting it.

 

Ryzen Master is trash. If you are not prepare to clear the cmos, then don't play with it..

well i cant ruin anything by undervolting

[freeagent]

3 minutes ago, DandaCze said:

well i cant ruin anything by undervolting

Just performance.

 

Edit:

 

Your CPU is old, and does not respond to undervolting the same way Zen 3 and up do.

[AbydosOne]

22 minutes ago, DandaCze said:

ASRock X570 4PRO

The 500-series chipsets never supported Zen1, so I'm not really sure how this is working in the first place... the 1600 isn't on the motherboard's CPU support list.

 

EDIT: They added support for just the 1600 and 1200(??). Why ASRock?

[DandaCze]

1 minute ago, AbydosOne said:

The 500-series chipsets never supported Zen1, so I'm not really sure how this is working in the first place... the 1600 isn't on the motherboard's CPU support list.

 

EDIT: They added support for just the 1600 and 1200(??). Why ASRock?

idk i just chcecked cpu support list before i bought it and it was there

edit: maybe they gonna add zen2 later

[jaslion]

13 minutes ago, DandaCze said:

idk i just chcecked cpu support list before i bought it and it was there

edit: maybe they gonna add zen2 later

 

13 minutes ago, DandaCze said:

idk i just chcecked cpu support list before i bought it and it was there

edit: maybe they gonna add zen2 later

It is supported its right on the list.

 

But again dont udnervolt theres no reason to. By the time your cpu is fysically worn out everything else will have had to be replaced once if not multiple times. Do not worry.

 

If this is out of fear due to the intel 13th and 14th gen issue dont worry. Intel was aware of this problem yet still pushed forward with thr chips. There has not been any issue with amd of this sort with the ryzen 1000 series as well as they dont push these chips to the max out of the box either that is up to the user. So if you leave everything at stock you are already SLOWING IT DOWN as with pbo you are actually using it at proper speeds.

[jaslion]

20 minutes ago, AbydosOne said:

The 500-series chipsets never supported Zen1, so I'm not really sure how this is working in the first place... the 1600 isn't on the motherboard's CPU support list.

 

EDIT: They added support for just the 1600 and 1200(??). Why ASRock?

Ryzen 1600af caused a lot of manufacturers to do this since its technically a 2000 series part and to avoid confusion they added the normal ones too. Same situation with the 1200af.

[DandaCze]

Just now, jaslion said:

 

It is supported its right on the list.

 

But again dont udnervolt theres no reason to. By the time your cpu is fysically worn out everything else will have had to be replaced once if not multiple times. Do not worry.

 

If this is out of fear due to the intel 13th and 14th gen issue dont worry. Intel was aware of this problem yet still pushed forward with thr chips. There has not been any issue with amd of this sort with the ryzen 1000 series as well as they dont push these chips to the max out of the box either that is up to the user. So if you leave everything at stock you are already SLOWING IT DOWN as with pbo you are actually using it at proper speeds.

ok

[freeagent]

The CPU should outlive the motherboard. It takes some patience if you are actually trying to kill the CPU.

[PDifolco]

1 hour ago, DandaCze said:

X570

X570 went out with Ryzen 3000 they all are compatible with 1000 and 2000

[DandaCze]

Just now, PDifolco said:

X570 went out with Ryzen 3000 they all are compatible with 1000 and 2000

the're not https://www.zachstechturf.com/am4compatibility

[PDifolco]

18 minutes ago, DandaCze said:

the're not https://www.zachstechturf.com/am4compatibility

Ok thanks for the information 

But it's kinda weird, OP said he uses a 1600 on a x570 and that 2000 aren't compatible where it's the exact contrary...

[starsmine]

13 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Ok thanks for the information 

But it's kinda weird, OP said he uses a 1600 on a x570 and that 2000 aren't compatible where it's the exact contrary...

OP is both confused and confusing

very very specific 1600s are supported as someone pointed out above, but you have to see an af in the model number under that. there are TWO different 1600s from AMD, The original zen 1 based one, and a ninja released zen+ one to get rid of zen+ stock. aka a lower binned ryzen 2600. 

I dont know who told him that he cant upgrade CPUs, that person mislead OP. It is compatible with the 2600... he is literally using one. 

Basicly zen 1 is not supported at all on that chipset, you need zen+ or higher. 

 

@DandaCze dont undervolt unless you are overclocking
But do overclock just for the fun of it. you are not going to break it with ryzen master, and it will last a decade just fine. I do recommended finding some cheap zen 3 chip to put in.