Bottlenecked much?

[EliteLaden]

So guys, this is my first time posting something here so I'm really sorry if I'm putting this in the wrong section or something.

 

This is my current rig:

 

- CPU: FX-8150

- GPU: Geforce GTX 780 Zotac AMP! Edition

- RAM: 8 GB DDR3 1333MHz

- MB: Asus M5A88V EVO

- PSU: Corsair RM1000

 

Well, onto my question... I just bought a new GPU, and I get some hit or miss performances at some games like Assassin's Creed 4 for example which I can't get 60 FPS/1080p all the time. I know that my CPU is slower then my GPU, but is it a case of bottlenecking? I'm using Hardware Monitor to track my GPU and CPU usage during games, and the CPU never reaches 100% load (that happens with the GPU on some games though). Maybe it's not the CPU and some other part is bottlenecking my system, I really don't know, that's why I'm putting here every little piece of hardware I have on this rig. Thanks for you help in advance.

[helping]

Depends on your OC how much it can limit it in CPU bound games with poor multicore support.

[SAV1OUR]

Depends on your OC how much it can limit it in CPU bound games with poor multicore support.

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[deathjester]

So guys, this is my first time posting something here so I'm really sorry if I'm putting this in the wrong section or something.

 

This is my current rig:

 

- CPU: FX-8150

- GPU: Geforce GTX 780 Zotac AMP! Edition

- RAM: 8 GB DDR3 1333MHz

- MB: Asus M5A88V EVO

- PSU: Corsair RM1000

 

Well, onto my question... I just bought a new GPU, and I get some hit or miss performances at some games like Assassin's Creed 4 for example which I can't get 60 FPS/1080p all the time. I know that my CPU is slower then my GPU, but is it a case of bottlenecking? I'm using Hardware Monitor to track my GPU and CPU usage during games, and the CPU never reaches 100% load (that happens with the GPU on some games though). Maybe it's not the CPU and some other part is bottlenecking my system, I really don't know, that's why I'm putting here every little piece of hardware I have on this rig. Thanks for you help in advance.

 

AC4 is optimized for @#%^. Watchdog's is much better as far as optimization. In an MMO yeah you will be bottlenecked. Day-Z?Yup. Rust? Yup. All console ports going forward? Not really.

 

AC4 though is one of the worst I have ever seen as far as a single player game being that horribly optimized and running that bad. Hell the game didn't run great on Intel's and it was like a 2 core game. 

[Faceman]

@EliteLaden

 

Man your build is very uneven....

 

What other games are you having problems in other than AC4?

[SkilledRebuilds]

So guys, this is my first time posting something here so I'm really sorry if I'm putting this in the wrong section or something.

 

This is my current rig:

 

- CPU: FX-8150

- GPU: Geforce GTX 780 Zotac AMP! Edition

- RAM: 8 GB DDR3 1333MHz

- MB: Asus M5A88V EVO

- PSU: Corsair RM1000

 

Well, onto my question... I just bought a new GPU, and I get some hit or miss performances at some games like Assassin's Creed 4 for example which I can't get 60 FPS/1080p all the time. I know that my CPU is slower then my GPU, but is it a case of bottlenecking? I'm using Hardware Monitor to track my GPU and CPU usage during games, and the CPU never reaches 100% load (that happens with the GPU on some games though). Maybe it's not the CPU and some other part is bottlenecking my system, I really don't know, that's why I'm putting here every little piece of hardware I have on this rig. Thanks for you help in advance.

While the 1333mhz looks on paper to be slow, it probably takes 1-2% away from your FPS.

 

The most reliable reasoning to bad performance in AC4 is because it runs like shit on every system its on. (Meaning, even it it runs relatively fast, its not the best it can be, thank the devs for that)

[EliteLaden]

Depends on your OC how much it can limit it in CPU bound games with poor multicore support.

Well I can get 15% OC on the CPU and run without stability problems, on the GPU however I can't even reach the 5% OC barrier and most games are crashing or freezing at the start, don't if this has anything to do with it though.

 

@EliteLaden

 

Man your build is very uneven....

 

What other games are you having problems in other than AC4?

F1 2013 I get some random freezes which last usually 5 to 10 seconds. Portal 2 already freezed sometimes too but these were really rare. Also, what you mean with "uneven"?

[SkilledRebuilds]

So guys, this is my first time posting something here so I'm really sorry if I'm putting this in the wrong section or something.

 

This is my current rig:

 

- CPU: FX-8150

- GPU: Geforce GTX 780 Zotac AMP! Edition

- RAM: 8 GB DDR3 1333MHz

- MB: Asus M5A88V EVO

- PSU: Corsair RM1000

 

Well, onto my question... I just bought a new GPU, and I get some hit or miss performances at some games like Assassin's Creed 4 for example which I can't get 60 FPS/1080p all the time. I know that my CPU is slower then my GPU, but is it a case of bottlenecking? I'm using Hardware Monitor to track my GPU and CPU usage during games, and the CPU never reaches 100% load (that happens with the GPU on some games though). Maybe it's not the CPU and some other part is bottlenecking my system, I really don't know, that's why I'm putting here every little piece of hardware I have on this rig. Thanks for you help in advance.

While not ideal, go into the Games GPU options and find whatever is the most taxing feature, knock it down a step. Hopefully the visual impact is so small you won't notice, but will enable a few more FPS for your average to be closer to 60fps.

[EliteLaden]

While not ideal, go into the Games GPU options and find whatever is the most taxing feature, knock it down a step. Hopefully the visual impact is so small you won't notice, but will enable a few more FPS for your average to be closer to 60fps.

That's also another point of my big complain with this game. I use 4xMSAA and if I turn it off it changes my FPS by 1 or 2! If I raise it to 8xMSAA the change is 1 or 2 FPS slower... Lot of people talk about turning off god rays, not a single change. I guess I just have to accept that this game is really poorly coded for PC. So you think I can hang with this rig for a little while? I was thinking that my CPU situation was critical, but I'm quite happier after reading most comments here. haha

[SkilledRebuilds]

Turning off 8xAA and getting nothing back does seem like a limitation from the CPU,...

Maybe not ideal, but not critical.

[Faceman]

@EliteLaden

 

Read this review

 

I have an i5 + 780, and I am getting 60fps+ in AC4, never had a problem with it.

 

It could be that you need to switch to Intel because of the poor single core performance of AMD.

 

Very uneven build meaning you have a $500 GPU, paired with a really poor CPU.  RAM, 1333Mhz is not ideal, but it really doesn't impact performance all that much, so stick with the RAM you have.  Then, you have this 1000W PSU that probably cost you $200 or more, when a single CPU and GPU(both overclocked) can run off of 500W of Bronze certified!

[dantheman49564]

AC4 is capped in game at 60FPS. its not a bottle neck on your end.. unless i am wrong and they removed that cap for PC users. but on release it was an issue for everyone, since 60fps looked like shit for me it was instantly uninstalled.

[EliteLaden]

@EliteLaden

 

Read this review

 

I have an i5 + 780, and I am getting 60fps+ in AC4, never had a problem with it.

 

It could be that you need to switch to Intel because of the poor single core performance of AMD.

 

Very uneven build meaning you have a $500 GPU, paired with a really poor CPU.  RAM, 1333Mhz is not ideal, but it really doesn't impact performance all that much, so stick with the RAM you have.  Then, you have this 1000W PSU that probably cost you $200 or more, when a single CPU and GPU(both overclocked) can run off of 500W of Bronze certified!

I see your point, well... Time to gather some money now and try to get a new MB and that little i7-4770k which I think will be a perfect marriage with this gpu. Thanks for all your help

[Syntaxvgm]

Yah hate to say it it's the CPU. A good overclock might help that though if you have the cooler for it. 
Like said above 1333MHz memory is just fine despite what people may say. 

 

I see your point, well... Time to gather some money now and try to get a new MB and that little i7-4770k which I think will be a perfect marriage with this gpu. Thanks for all your help

[WestcoastPCBuilder]

OC your FX-8150 to the tits. 4.6ghz hopefully. Some games, ie. AC4, SC2, Skyrim, WoW, MetroLL, love high IPC dual cores ... that's where intel wins. Clock for clock intel's newest chips are about 50% faster. A 2.8ghz Intel would equal a 4.2ghz bulldozer essentially.

 

If it's that bothersome, sell the chipset, grab a Z97 + i5.

[Faceman]

I see your point, well... Time to gather some money now and try to get a new MB and that little i7-4770k which I think will be a perfect marriage with this gpu. Thanks for all your help

If gaming is your primary concern, you only need an i5-4670k.  If you are doing video editing and rendering, then the i7 would be more beneficial.

The only difference between i5 and i7 is hyperthreading, and games don't utilize hyperthreading for 4+ cores.

 

I would wait until September when Devil's Canyon will become available, and pick up a Z97 motherboard + i5-4690k.

[Syntaxvgm]

If gaming is your primary concern, you only need an i5-4670k.  If you are doing video editing and rendering, then the i7 would be more beneficial.

The only difference between i5 and i7 is hyperthreading, and games don't utilize hyperthreading for 4+ cores.

 

I would wait until September when Devil's Canyon will become available, and pick up a Z97 motherboard + i5-4690k.

games are starting to use more threads, I think the i7 will soon show a decent benefit for gaming. 

[Sintezza]

@EliteLaden

 

Man your build is very uneven....

 

What other games are you having problems in other than AC4?

 

Why is his build uneven ?

 

FX8150 is perfectly fine gaming cpu for a GTX780, if you ask me.

That he is playing a game, that is terribly optimized to use multiple cores, you cannot realy blame that to the FX8150

 

if you play games like crysis 3 BF4 tombraider batman bioshock need for speed.  and the new watch dogs probably as well, they will be better performing on your rig.

 

But yeah 60 fps is playable isn it? Do you have v-sync disabled? because if your monitor is 60hz then yeah..

[Syntaxvgm]

Why is his build uneven ?

 

FX8150 is perfectly fine gaming cpu for a GTX780, if you ask me.

That he is playing a game, that is terribly optimized to use multiple cores, you cannot realy blame that to the FX8150

Of course you can't, but as it is the 4770k would cream the 8150 for gaming as usually only 4 cores are used. Overclocking the hell outa it would help if you want to keep it. 

[Sintezza]

Of course you can't, but as it is the 4770k would cream the 8150 for gaming as usually only 4 cores are used. Overclocking the hell outa it would help if you want to keep it. 

lol yeah offcoure the i7-4770K is much better core for core.

 

Basicly the lazy software and game developers needs to get theire lazy asses to work, and make the whole shit multi threaded...

 

To let both the i7´s an the FX 8 cores realy shine

[Syntaxvgm]

lol yeah offcoure the i7-4770K is much better core for core.

Seriously though I'd bet he could get that 8150 to around 4.5GHz, and that would help A LOT. Get it close to the 9590

[Faceman]

Where is this game that runs so much better on the i7 and FX8xxx than the i5?  I haven't seen it yet.

Preliminary results from Watch Dogs are only showing similar results between the i5 and FX8xxx.  If this multi-core optimized game is really as multi-core optimized as it is advertised, it would be running drastically better on i7s and FX8s.

[Syntaxvgm]

Where is this game that runs so much better on the i7 and FX8xxx than the i5?  I haven't seen it yet.

Preliminary results from Watch Dogs are only showing similar results between the i5 and FX8xxx.  If this multi-core optimized game is really as multi-core optimized as it is advertised, it would be running drastically better on i7s and FX8s.

I wasn't referring to watchdogs, I'm referring to the future. Hopefully. 

[Sintezza]

Where is this game that runs so much better on the i7 and FX8xxx than the i5?  I haven't seen it yet.

Preliminary results from Watch Dogs are only showing similar results between the i5 and FX8xxx.  If this multi-core optimized game is really as multi-core optimized as it is advertised, it would be running drastically better on i7s and FX8s.

 

Yes im excited about this, but i still do expect a good showing for the i5 aswell.

 

Unfortunatly i dont know the game AC4 very well, i never played it, but refering to some people uphere that probably do play this game, and state that its terrible optimized for multiple core ussage, then its obvious that his cpu is a bottleneck. For this particular game.

[Faceman]

I wasn't referring to watchdogs, I'm referring to the future. Hopefully. 

This hopeful future of multi-core optimized games has been promised to us for 3+ years now, and there hasn't been a single game(maybe Watch Dogs?) that runs dramatically better on i7 or FX6/8.