Need some input/advice :D

[Tengu2401]

Hey there,

 

So I'm putting together a new rig and I'm having a hard time choosing what to look at. Right now I have the AMD Phenom II 4x 955 Black. This has served me well but I have been looking around at both AMD and Intel Current gen and simply cannot get my head around it all. Now the first thing I noticed is that Current Intel CPU's have less cores than the AMD equivalent. Can anyone point me in the direction as to why this is and as to why the Cost of the Intel CPU's is generally higher ? 
 

My budget isn't huge, but I would like some suggestions and advice with this. Any and all help is appreciated. I will be using this Rig for games and such. I already have an EVGA GTX 770 2Gb Reference Card so I'd like to try have a CPU on a similar level . . . I guess

 

Thanks

Tengu

[RelentlessAF]

Intel has less physical cores but they are each more powerful than the 8 physical cores the higher end AMD processors have. Both the 3570K and 4670K beat their 8-core equivalent. The reason it's so expensive is the standard Intel sets itself to be at, the CPU's have to be at a certain TDP and have to only emit a certain amount of heat. As well as higher end temperature sensors.

[Tengu2401]

So from what I'm currently looking at the 4670k is alittle over par in comparison to the AMD FX 8350. So If I consider the price bracket it is about right when you look at the extra performance you are getting. I think I know where to go then an i7 like a 4770k or a 4790 series, looks a good bet from what I can tell.

 

That said the 9370 from AMD is also looking pretty good atm too. Id like to try get some side by side benchmarks from somewhere I think.

[Tengu2401]

So this is a bump for this, Im still looking for input to my choice here.

[SpyRosL]

If the rig's use is for gaming,there is no reason to go for i7.

If i were you i would get the i5 4690k when it comes out.9370 is a no-no.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Get either an FX-8320 and overclock it yourself or a core i5...

[Tengu2401]

So yeah it looks like the Devils Canyon stuff has been pushed way back ? So time is a feature in this as the current Phenom II x4 955 I have is giving the ghost up, slowly but its happening.

[Faceman]

So yeah it looks like the Devils Canyon stuff has been pushed way back ? So time is a feature in this as the current Phenom II x4 955 I have is giving the ghost up, slowly but its happening.

What kind of games do you play?

[Tengu2401]

Well abit of everything really, EVE, Crysis, DayZ (Standalone), Last Light and when things start moving Watchdogs will be on the massive list. I'm going to be jumping at Star Citizen this month

[Faceman]

Well abit of everything really, EVE, Crysis, DayZ (Standalone), Last Light and when things start moving Watchdogs will be on the massive list. I'm going to be jumping at Star Citizen this month

Welcome to the forum, I would like to mention that in order for someone to know that you have responded, you have to quote or "@" them.

 

Based on the games you play, you will benefit greatly by going with an Intel processor because of the strong single core performance which most of those games rely on.

 

You won't get unplayable results by going with AMD, but Intel will give you much better and consistent frame rates.  If you have the money, definitely go with Intel.  The FX series is a very old architecture, 2 AMD cores are the equivalent of 1 Intel core, and AMD is flat out awful in single core performance which games like EVE, DayZ, and Metro:Last Light rely on.  Any MMO, Indie Game, MOBA, or RTS game is going to run much better on Intel because of the strong single core performance, again, not unplayable on AMD, but better results on Intel.

 

If you are looking to buy a new motherboard and CPU today, then I recommend the i5-4670k + Z87 motherboard.  If you live near a Microcenter, you can purchase a bundle for $245 in store.  Otherwise, you can buy an i5-4670k for $189 using Staples.com price match, and find a Z87/97 motherboard to pair with it.  If you don't plan on overclocking, let me know and I can point you in the right direction of an even less expensive alternative that will perform just as well.

 

If you can wait until September, the brand new Intel CPUs will be available, I suggest the i5-4690k + Z97 motherboard, they are supposed to be incredible overclockers.

[i_build_nanosuits]

you're pushing things way too far, i played through metro-last light entirely with 60+FPS at all time maxed out on my FX 8 core...the AMD is not ''flat out awful'' in single-threaded performance intel is only 30% better, if one sucks than they both sucks...the thruth is for 95% of the games out there you can't tell the difference between both cpu's as you are going to be GPU LIMITED all the time...and those old tech awful single-threaded monster MMO's that you are talking about, they do run better on intel...but they still run at 30FPS wich is sh*t...those are badly optimised bad games. modern games are all GPU limited so spend less on the CPU to put more money toward a better GPU is always a good think.

[Tengu2401]

@Faceman @i_build_nanosuits (Think thats right) Well I'm in the UK and staples over here doesn't do Components to my knowledge. The board I have my eye on at the moment is the Maximus VII Hero Z97 (Asus) and Its just a case of the CPU. I may try to squeeze more life out of my current Rig and wait for the i5-4690k to appear.

 

I already have a GTX 770 plugged into this build so GPU isn't really a concern at the moment.

 

I guess what I'm trying to achieve here is a system that has a little longevity to it.

[vm'N]

Intel has less physical cores but they are each more powerful than the 8 physical cores the higher end AMD processors have. Both the 3570K and 4670K beat their 8-core equivalent. The reason it's so expensive is the standard Intel sets itself to be at, the CPU's have to be at a certain TDP and have to only emit a certain amount of heat. As well as higher end temperature sensors.

Fx 83xx doesn't feature 8 physical cores. It feature 4 CMT cores. CMT is an cluster technology.

CMT is basically doubling the amount of integer and memory pipelines in an core. (Steamroller added additional decoder pipelines).

 

Intels processors aren't expensive because of the reason you stated. However they are expensive because Intel is manufacturing their own products. (GloFo is manufacturing AMDs processors).

Manufacturing your own processors is incredible expensive, and lead to an great waste. (The lower the waste by removing the defective part. Example; The fx 6300 is an fx 83xx with an defective module. Another example; The core I5 4670k is an core I7 4770k with an defective L3 cache).

 

Intel is also a much bigger company, they are investing so much in R&D and marketing.

 

Intel is also more experiemental by their architecture. AMD have been staying with their more mature architecture.

[Faceman]

@Faceman @i_build_nanosuits (Think thats right) Well I'm in the UK and staples over here doesn't do Components to my knowledge. The board I have my eye on at the moment is the Maximus VII Hero Z97 (Asus) and Its just a case of the CPU. I may try to squeeze more life out of my current Rig and wait for the i5-4690k to appear.

 

I already have a GTX 770 plugged into this build so GPU isn't really a concern at the moment.

 

I guess what I'm trying to achieve here is a system that has a little longevity to it.

     You don't need to spend so much money on a motherboard.  Motherboard doesn't impact performance.  Go with an Asus Z97-A or MSI Z97-Gaming5.  Both of these motherboards have all of the features you could possibly need, without costing a heck of a lot.  I am very partial to Asus because of the incredible software that comes with their motherboards.  I have the Z87-A and it is nothing short of amazing, I will forever be an Asus motherboard guy because of my experience with them. 

     If at all possible, wait until the i5-4690k becomes available.  Not only will you get much better performance from Intel, but more longevity because it is a brand new technology, as opposed to the FX series which is a very outdated architecture.

[mcmad358]

Either 4670k or 4690k. Or an i7

[RelentlessAF]

Fx 83xx doesn't feature 8 physical cores. It feature 4 CMT cores. CMT is an cluster technology.

CMT is basically doubling the amount of integer and memory pipelines in an core. (Steamroller added additional decoder pipelines).

 

Intels processors aren't expensive because of the reason you stated. However they are expensive because Intel is manufacturing their own products. (GloFo is manufacturing AMDs processors).

Manufacturing your own processors is incredible expensive, and lead to an great waste. (The lower the waste by removing the defective part. Example; The fx 6300 is an fx 83xx with an defective module. Another example; The core I5 4670k is an core I7 4770k with an defective L3 cache).

 

Intel is also a much bigger company, they are investing so much in R&D and marketing.

 

Intel is also more experiemental by their architecture. AMD have been staying with their more mature architecture.

I'm going off mostly what I've seen on the forums and whenever people talk about the FX8xxx series they always boast about it's "8 physical cores" rather than hyper-threading. I would also assume what I said is apart of R&D costs.