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2 minutes ago, daffaqua said:

I've been working with primarily AMD CPUs since I believe they are generally easier to understand than Intel's, but I've been wanting to try Intel CPUs for a while now, but have been too scared too considering the sheer amount of CPUs Intel has produced. How do I pick and understand a Intel CPU in case I do decide to try them.

In short: you look at benchmarks.

 

But it does help to understand the naming scheme. For all currently released consumer Intel CPUs the model number is decyphiered as follows:

The first number (or two) is the generation. So a 9600K is a 9th generation CPU and a 13700K is a 13th generation CPU.

The last 3 numbers are SKU number, higher typically indicates more powerful (for Desktop CPUs at least, mobile is more complicated).

Finally there might be a letter after the model number. K is overclockable (with the right motherboard chipsets) and F lacks an iGPU.

 

As a final note: I would only recommend switching to Intel if it gives you better value for money in your use case. Otherwise, you should stick with AMD.

I've been working with primarily AMD CPUs since I believe they are generally easier to understand than Intel's, but I've been wanting to try Intel CPUs for a while now, but have been too scared too considering the sheer amount of CPUs Intel has produced. How do I pick and understand an Intel CPU in case I do decide to try them.

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2 minutes ago, daffaqua said:

I've been working with primarily AMD CPUs since I believe they are generally easier to understand than Intel's, but I've been wanting to try Intel CPUs for a while now, but have been too scared too considering the sheer amount of CPUs Intel has produced. How do I pick and understand a Intel CPU in case I do decide to try them.

In short: you look at benchmarks.

 

But it does help to understand the naming scheme. For all currently released consumer Intel CPUs the model number is decyphiered as follows:

The first number (or two) is the generation. So a 9600K is a 9th generation CPU and a 13700K is a 13th generation CPU.

The last 3 numbers are SKU number, higher typically indicates more powerful (for Desktop CPUs at least, mobile is more complicated).

Finally there might be a letter after the model number. K is overclockable (with the right motherboard chipsets) and F lacks an iGPU.

 

As a final note: I would only recommend switching to Intel if it gives you better value for money in your use case. Otherwise, you should stick with AMD.

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The numbers are easy to understand, 13400, 13600, 13700, 13900... bigger number means better. Don't bother with understanding i3, i5, i7... it's pointless. Then you just have to look at their number of cores and frequency + cache and power draw. K means it's unlocked, F means it doesn't have n iGPU, and KF means it's unlocked and doesn't have an iGPU which allows for theoretical better performance or lower temps.

 

Then you need to look at single core and multi core scores for how fast it would be for different apps. That's all

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for the past 15 or so years theyve been using core i3/5/7 and more recently i9 since skylake x

 

for mainstream desktop

pre 8th i7 gen are ht 4 core

8th gen i7 are ht 6 core

9th gen i7 are non ht 8 core with i9 being ht 8 core

10th gen i7 are ht 8 core with i9 being ht 10 core

11th gen i7 and i9 are ht 8 core

12th gen same thing as 11th but + ecores (i7 has 4 i9 has 8)

13th and 14th gen is just 12th gen but doubled ecores

 

for hedt

45nm bloomfield i7 are ht 4 core (i7 920-975), xeon counterparts are x/e 55xx and w35xx

32nm gulftown i7 are ht 6 core (i7 970-990x), xeon counterparts are x/e 56xx and w36xx

32nm sandy and 22nm ivy i7 are ht 4 core (38/4820) to ht 6 core (39/4930k or 39/4960x) with xeon e5 1680 (v2 for ivy) being 8 core

22nm haswell are ht 6 core (5820k 5930k) to ht 8 core (5960x) with overclockable xeons reaching upto 14 cores (e5 1691 v3) but these are unobtainium

14nm broadwell same thing as haswell but now theres also a 10 core (i7 6950x), xeon counterparts are e5 16xx 26xx v4 but the 16xx are worthless for broadwell due to locked multi (unlocked till haswell v3 xeons)

14nm skylake - cometlake up to 18 cores (x980xe)

intel 7 sapphire rapids upto 56 cores for overclockable ws xeons (w9 3945hx) or 60 cores for scalable (platinum 8490h)

 

pretty familiar with details/characteristics for x58 since i have that platform and do 3000+ ddr3 ocs, others i only know through reading, some i just have no clue on

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2 hours ago, daffaqua said:

I've been working with primarily AMD CPUs since I believe they are generally easier to understand than Intel's, but I've been wanting to try Intel CPUs for a while now,

why resort to more expensive similar performance heat pump CPUs brand in view of gaming use case? (at least if you're comparing the recent ones)

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2 hours ago, will0hlep said:

As a final note: I would only recommend switching to Intel if it gives you better value for money in your use case. Otherwise, you should stick with AMD.

Gobless

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4 hours ago, podkall said:

Gobless

? no idea what this response means 🙂

I might be experienced, but I'm human and I do make mistakes. Trust but Verify! I edit my messages after sending them alot, please refresh before posting your reply. Please try to be clear and specific, you'll get a better answer. Please remember to mark solutions once you have the information you need. Expand this signature for common PC building advice, a short bio and a list of my components.

 

Common build advice:

1) Buy the cheapest (well reviewed) motherboard that has the features you need. Paying more typically only gets you features you won’t use. 2) only get as much RAM as you need, getting more won’t (typically) make your PC faster. 3) While I recommend getting an NVMe drive, you don’t need to splurge for an expensive drive with DRam cache, DRamless drives are fine for gamers. 4) paying for looks is fine, just don’t break the bank. 5) Tower coolers are usually good enough, unless you go top tier Intel or plan on OCing. 6) OCing is a dead meme, you probably shouldn’t bother. 7) "Bottlenecks" rarely matter and "Future-proofing" is a myth. 8) AIOs don't noticeably improve performance past 240mm and don't improve at all past 360mm. 9) RTFM.

 

Useful Websites:

https://www.productchart.com - helps compare monitors, https://uk.pcpartpicker.com - makes designing a PC easier.

 

Bio:

He/Him - I'm a PhD student working in the fields of reinforcement learning and traffic control. PCs are one of my hobbies and I've built many PCs and performed upgrades on a few laptops (for myself, friends and family). My personal computers include 4 windows (10/11) machines and a TrueNAS server (and I'm looking to move to dual booting Linux Mint on my main machine in future). Aside from computers, I also dabble in modding/homebrew retro consoles, support Southampton FC, and enjoy Scuba Diving and Skiing.

Fun Facts

1) When I was 3 years old my favourite toy was a scientific calculator. 2) My father is a British Champion ploughman in the Vintage Hydraulic Class. 3) On Speedrun.com, I'm the world record holder for the Dream Bobsleigh event on Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games 2010.

 

My Favourite Games: World of Tanks, Runescape, Subnautica, Metroid (Fusion and Dread), Spyro: Year of the Dragon (Original and Reignited Trilogy), Crash Bash, Mario Kart Wii, Balatro

 

My Computers: Primary: My main gaming rig - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/NByp3C Second: Hosts Discord bots as well as a Minecraft and Ark server, and also serves as a reinforcement learning sand box - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/cc9K7P NAS: TrueNAS Scale NAS hosting SMB shares, DDNS updater, pi-hole, and a Jellyfin server - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/m37w3C Foldatron: My folding@home and BOINC rig (partially donated to me by Folding Team Leader GOTSpectrum) - Mobile: Mini-ITX gaming rig for when I'm away from home -

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26 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

? no idea what this response means 🙂

god bless 😅😈

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3 minutes ago, daffaqua said:

Recent Intel CPUs?

current gen Intel is worse value than AMD for gaming, 99% of people who are unbiased will tell you this

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PC configs I used before:

  1. Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050
  2. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050
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6 minutes ago, daffaqua said:

So I should just stick to my AMD preference

depends on use case, but gaming is currently AMD favoured

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Ryzen 5 5600 |16GB DDR4 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1080 ti [further details on my profile]

PC configs I used before:

  1. Pentium G4500 | 4GB/8GB DDR4 2133Mhz | H110 | GTX 1050
  2. Ryzen 3 1200 3,5Ghz / OC:4Ghz | 8GB DDR4 2133Mhz / 16GB 3200Mhz | B450 | GTX 1050
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