Where is my throttling coming from?

[Mr Popo96]

I've recently been doing a fair amount of upgrading to my build yet I feel like it's still not giving me the full potential if that makes sense? I'm playing most games on the same settings as before the upgrades with only a 10-20fps difference?

 

Build before:

R7 2700x 4.1ghz

32gb corsair 3600mhz

2060 oc

Asus x470 pro

Main storage was solid

 

Upgraded build:

R9 5950x 4.55ghz (can't seem to get it any higher stably)

64gb corsair 3600mhz

4060 oc

Asus x470 pro still

All storage on ssd, boot on separate m.2, games on 2x2tb ssd and vr games on 2tb m.2

 

I've been messing with settings galore but nothing seems to help. Everything on windows side is set to performance and all that, same with nvidia control centre. Everything has all its newest drivers. The cpu is on a 360 aio rad aswell and both it and the gpu never go above 50c. Any help would be appreciated!!

[rippy4500]

Check gpu clock speed. Cpu speed is fine cause it's locked.

Also check less commonly talked about temps like vrm temps, vram temps, etc. with hwinfo.

Make sure your system is free of bloatware.

[WereCat]

Which game?
Also looks like you did manual CPU OC and therefore reduced max CPU boost clock by around 400MHz.

[TatamiMatt]

1 hour ago, Mr Popo96 said:

R9 5950x 4.55ghz (can't seem to get it any higher stably)

Is this a manual setting/limit? Have you tried PBO?

 

1 hour ago, Mr Popo96 said:

64gb corsair 3600mhz

2 or 4 sticks?

1 hour ago, Mr Popo96 said:

Upgraded build:

R9 5950x 4.55ghz (can't seem to get it any higher stably)

4060 oc

Asus x470 pro still

All storage on ssd, boot on separate m.2, games on 2x2tb ssd and vr games on 2tb m.2

 

Are you PCIe lane limiting your 4060 with all the M.2s?

[Mr Popo96]

1 hour ago, rippy4500 said:

Check gpu clock speed. Cpu speed is fine cause it's locked.

Also check less commonly talked about temps like vrm temps, vram temps, etc. with hwinfo.

Make sure your system is free of bloatware.

Gpu speed is on a curve overclock with nvidias overclocking software. The memory on it is also boosted by 200mhz. I could try and find a stable higher clock myself if that would be better? But I've checked hwinfo and all the temps are staying around the 50-60 range under testing loads, rarely go above 60. I go through with ccleaner often to remove any unwanted rubbish.

[Mr Popo96]

11 minutes ago, TatamiMatt said:

Is this a manual setting/limit? Have you tried PBO?

 

2 or 4 sticks?

I did the testing with Asus' overclocking software, once I found stability I put it in the bios and it runs 4.55 and sometimes over under load but sits around 3 or lower when idle.

 

I got 4 sticks of 16gb, 2 sets of this: CMK32GX4M2D3600C18

 

I have set in the bios to give the gpu priority in the lanes so I don't think it's being limited? I can double check though!

[Mr Popo96]

1 hour ago, WereCat said:

Which game?
Also looks like you did manual CPU OC and therefore reduced max CPU boost clock by around 400MHz.

Games like warhhamer darktide, sea of thieves, starfield, no man's sky. All used to be on high and still only on high with the 10-20 fps boost. When the cpu is under load both task manager and hwinfo say its going up to the 4.55ghz? 

[TatamiMatt]

23 minutes ago, Mr Popo96 said:

I did the testing with Asus' overclocking software, once I found stability I put it in the bios and it runs 4.55 and sometimes over under load but sits around 3 or lower when idle.

 

I got 4 sticks of 16gb, 2 sets of this: CMK32GX4M2D3600C18

 

I have set in the bios to give the gpu priority in the lanes so I don't think it's being limited? I can double check though!

Thats...not a great way to do it, disable all clocking limits and enable PBO. Secondly you menitoned ASUS, get rid of armory crate. 

 

4 sticks are okay, but run slower than 2, is XMP/EXPO/D.O.C.P enabled?

 

If youve given priority then should be fine, will limit your M.2 drives to 2 lanes which is still plenty, are they M.2 sata or M.2 NVMe?

[TatamiMatt]

25 minutes ago, Mr Popo96 said:

Gpu speed is on a curve overclock with nvidias overclocking software. The memory on it is also boosted by 200mhz. I could try and find a stable higher clock myself if that would be better? But I've checked hwinfo and all the temps are staying around the 50-60 range under testing loads, rarely go above 60. I go through with ccleaner often to remove any unwanted rubbish.

Try running a few benchmarks with your GPU and comparing with other average scores for your GPU, youshould either be in and around their scores or slightly higher with the overclock, if youre lower then the overclock is causing instability and your GPU is basically downtuning to stay stable, you can lose performance with too high a memory overclock even if its entirely stable from what you can see

[Mr Popo96]

19 minutes ago, TatamiMatt said:

Thats...not a great way to do it, disable all clocking limits and enable PBO. Secondly you menitoned ASUS, get rid of armory crate. 

 

4 sticks are okay, but run slower than 2, is XMP/EXPO/D.O.C.P enabled?

 

If youve given priority then should be fine, will limit your M.2 drives to 2 lanes which is still plenty, are they M.2 sata or M.2 NVMe?

I did try and let the mobo choose the clock speeds with the auto tuner asus has but it never went above 4.2?

 

Xmp is active and running the sticks at max speeds. 

 

They're both nvme 

[Mr Popo96]

20 minutes ago, TatamiMatt said:

Try running a few benchmarks with your GPU and comparing with other average scores for your GPU, youshould either be in and around their scores or slightly higher with the overclock, if youre lower then the overclock is causing instability and your GPU is basically downtuning to stay stable, you can lose performance with too high a memory overclock even if its entirely stable from what you can see

I've done benchmarks with heavenly and cinebench. Heavenly it's sitting around 3800 points and cinebench it sits a little above the 4060 base gpus on there. When I have the nvidia overclock software up it doesn't show any signs of pulling back? 

[TatamiMatt]

7 minutes ago, Mr Popo96 said:

I did try and let the mobo choose the clock speeds with the auto tuner asus has but it never went above 4.2?

 

Xmp is active and running the sticks at max speeds. 

 

They're both nvme 

Again, dont use any of ASUS's software, its known to be pretty awful, just use the CPUs own PBO setting in BIOS, its much better, you should be able to hit your max rated clock speed using it

 

And thats grand for the RAM and M.2's

[Mr Popo96]

5 minutes ago, TatamiMatt said:

Again, dont use any of ASUS's software, its known to be pretty awful, just use the CPUs own PBO setting in BIOS, its much better, you should be able to hit your max rated clock speed using it

 

And thats grand for the RAM and M.2's

I'll give that a go and see if anything changes. I'll let you know if it gives any promising results! Thank you!

[Tegneren]

14 minutes ago, Mr Popo96 said:

I'll give that a go and see if anything changes. I'll let you know if it gives any promising results! Thank you!

You can also try Curve Optimizer (along with PBO). Its under Advanced/AMD Overclocking. It will help undervolt and you can override the max boost clock. Just look up guides on youtube or something.

On my 5800X I have the curve optimizer set to all core -18, and the boost clock set to +50, meaning it will boost to 4.85GHz single core in stead of the stock 4.8, and it reduced the temps by ~10C 

 

38 minutes ago, Mr Popo96 said:

I did try and let the mobo choose the clock speeds with the auto tuner asus has but it never went above 4.2?

The Auto tuner tool is also a manual OC, it just (poorly) automates the finding-what-works part. And manual OC on Ryzen is basically worthless unless you only does heavily multithreaded work.

[PDifolco]

3 hours ago, Mr Popo96 said:

I've recently been doing a fair amount of upgrading to my build yet I feel like it's still not giving me the full potential if that makes sense? I'm playing most games on the same settings as before the upgrades with only a 10-20fps difference?

 

Build before:

R7 2700x 4.1ghz

32gb corsair 3600mhz

2060 oc

Asus x470 pro

Main storage was solid

 

Upgraded build:

R9 5950x 4.55ghz (can't seem to get it any higher stably)

64gb corsair 3600mhz

4060 oc

Asus x470 pro still

All storage on ssd, boot on separate m.2, games on 2x2tb ssd and vr games on 2tb m.2

 

I've been messing with settings galore but nothing seems to help. Everything on windows side is set to performance and all that, same with nvidia control centre. Everything has all its newest drivers. The cpu is on a 360 aio rad aswell and both it and the gpu never go above 50c. Any help would be appreciated!!

4.55GHz max while gaming ? If best core that's low, my 5900X reaches 4.95

Then a 4060 isn't a massive upgrade over a 2060, maybe +30% - Why did you get that instead of at least a 4070? Really not good for the price and 8GB VRAM only ...

[Mr Popo96]

53 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

4.55GHz max while gaming ? If best core that's low, my 5900X reaches 4.95

Then a 4060 isn't a massive upgrade over a 2060, maybe +30% - Why did you get that instead of at least a 4070? Really not good for the price and 8GB VRAM only ...

From what I saw that's as high as it was going, but others have said setting it to 4.55 might have been limiting it so I've taken that off now and about to start doing tests.

 

At the time the 4060 was in my price range and it was on sale, the 4070s were all an extra 3-400. I might get something better in the near future if prices keep dropping like they seem to be.

[TatamiMatt]

30 minutes ago, Mr Popo96 said:

From what I saw that's as high as it was going, but others have said setting it to 4.55 might have been limiting it so I've taken that off now and about to start doing tests.

 

At the time the 4060 was in my price range and it was on sale, the 4070s were all an extra 3-400. I might get something better in the near future if prices keep dropping like they seem to be.

Intel, AMD and Nvidia are rumored to be dropping new GPUs around autumn or Q3/Q4 so prices should drop further then, especially with all 3 brands releasing around the same time and the competition that brings

[Mr Popo96]

2 hours ago, Tegneren said:

You can also try Curve Optimizer (along with PBO). Its under Advanced/AMD Overclocking. It will help undervolt and you can override the max boost clock. Just look up guides on youtube or something.

On my 5800X I have the curve optimizer set to all core -18, and the boost clock set to +50, meaning it will boost to 4.85GHz single core in stead of the stock 4.8, and it reduced the temps by ~10C 

 

The Auto tuner tool is also a manual OC, it just (poorly) automates the finding-what-works part. And manual OC on Ryzen is basically worthless unless you only does heavily multithreaded work.

Not sure what's going on with it now but whatever I try and do or change it just isn't keeping any settings. Just defaults back to tpu1 and keeps the cpu at 4ghz. Gonna go ahead and cry now this damn machine 

[Tegneren]

25 minutes ago, Mr Popo96 said:

Not sure what's going on with it now but whatever I try and do or change it just isn't keeping any settings. Just defaults back to tpu1 and keeps the cpu at 4ghz. Gonna go ahead and cry now this damn machine 

is your BIOS up to date, an did you reset it before trying to activate PBO/Curve optimizer?

[TatamiMatt]

34 minutes ago, Mr Popo96 said:

Not sure what's going on with it now but whatever I try and do or change it just isn't keeping any settings. Just defaults back to tpu1 and keeps the cpu at 4ghz. Gonna go ahead and cry now this damn machine 

If the ASUS software is accessed from in the OS, it may be conflicting and just shutting down PBO, try and get rid of the software altogether along with @Tegneren's suggestion above

[Mr Popo96]

12 minutes ago, Tegneren said:

is your BIOS up to date, an did you reset it before trying to activate PBO/Curve optimizer?

Bios is up to date and I did reset it before messing about. Its finally keeping settings changes after another reset. Not sure what messed it up but gonna try and change bits one at a time and go from there. Its currently sitting at 4.6ghz

 

Also, on cinebench its only showing 2 squares being worked on, on the multi core test? All cores are being used though, is that right?

[Tegneren]

4 minutes ago, Mr Popo96 said:

Bios is up to date and I did reset it before messing about. Its finally keeping settings changes after another reset. Not sure what messed it up but gonna try and change bits one at a time and go from there. Its currently sitting at 4.6ghz

What are you using for monitoring the clock speeds?

[TatamiMatt]

9 minutes ago, Mr Popo96 said:

Bios is up to date and I did reset it before messing about. Its finally keeping settings changes after another reset. Not sure what messed it up but gonna try and change bits one at a time and go from there. Its currently sitting at 4.6ghz

 

Also, on cinebench its only showing 2 squares being worked on, on the multi core test? All cores are being used though, is that right?

Have you manually set the multicore to 2 threads? You can adjust that yourself

[Mr Popo96]

2 minutes ago, TatamiMatt said:

Have you manually set the multicore to 2 threads? You can adjust that yourself

No, it's set to 32 threads? 

[Mr Popo96]

5 minutes ago, Tegneren said:

What are you using for monitoring the clock speeds?

Task manager and hwinfo