Potentially choosing a new GPU

[DeerDK]

Hi everyone. 

I'm currently awaiting a new case to see if it will alleviate the current noise issues I have with my 4070 super (I got it because I decided to spend my Christmas bonus on something quite a bit nicer than just bare minimum). 

If it doesn't, I'm considering going AMD instead, but I'm a bit in doubt if I should tone the whole thing down a few notches. 

 

I'm playing single player titles on a TUF 1080p 24" 144 Hz monitor. I know I should probably get a 1440p but I'm kinda opposed to throw stuff out that works. 

 

I'm kinda hooked on quiet cards so I've got my eyes on Sapphire Pulse. 

 

My options are. 

Sapphire Pulse 7700xt 3256 dkk

Sapphire Pulse 7800 xt 4299 dkk

Sapphire Pulse 7900 gre 4814 DKK

 

My current card is a Msi 4070 Super, Gaming slim. Bought for 6000 DKK. 

Chosen because it could fit in my old case, but since I'm upgrading the case I get more possibilities. 

 

I know the gpu is overkill but I like to play cyberpunk and such with the visuals dialed all up. But I'm aware that cyberpunk is a bit of a niche case and our time's crysis. 

My cpu is a 5600x, that I'm umming and hmm'ing about upgrading to a 5700x3d. 

 

Any thoughts on prices, price to performance and shooting completely above the goal?

 

 

[TrollingJoker]

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I'm playing single player titles on a TUF 1080p 24" 144 Hz monitor. I know I should probably get a 1440p but I'm kinda opposed to throw stuff out that works

You don't have to throw it out. You can either sell it or use it as a side monitor.

I'm not too familiar with the 4070 super but have you tried anything like changing the fan curve or what not? I'm not entirely sold on that the 4070 super will make less noise than AMD. I can't give you any recommendations in regards to AMD as I use NVidia myself.

 

I mean the GPU isn't exactly overkill but your monitor for example does make it overkill as you never go over 1080. A 4060 would have been enough but nothing wrong with that. The 5600x is also a pretty good CPU honestly and you might notice a difference when going 5700x3D but not only you'll be replacing something that works (looking at your monitor comment) but I'm not really a fan of upgrading within the same generation. I've had multiple friends who find the 5600x just fine though I'm unsure how Cyberpunk 2077 might work for them.

 

I'd like to know what you've done so far in regards to fan curves and stuff and personally I'd keep the GPU (assuming I'm not missing a glaring issue with that GPU) and keep the CPU and just go with a better monitor. It is your money though and I can't make that decision for you but from what I've gathered you don't have a huge problem aside from fan noise. A new CPU won't fix that and replacing the GPU might fix that but I doubt it personally. The monitor also isn't a must but if you want to use the GPU at its best then you could consider an upgrade.

 

[DeerDK]

16 minutes ago, TrollingJoker said:

You don't have to throw it out. You can either sell it or use it as a side monitor.

I'm not too familiar with the 4070 super but have you tried anything like changing the fan curve or what not? I'm not entirely sold on that the 4070 super will make less noise than AMD. I can't give you any recommendations in regards to AMD as I use NVidia myself.

 

I mean the GPU isn't exactly overkill but your monitor for example does make it overkill as you never go over 1080. A 4060 would have been enough but nothing wrong with that. The 5600x is also a pretty good CPU honestly and you might notice a difference when going 5700x3D but not only you'll be replacing something that works (looking at your monitor comment) but I'm not really a fan of upgrading within the same generation. I've had multiple friends who find the 5600x just fine though I'm unsure how Cyberpunk 2077 might work for them.

 

I'd like to know what you've done so far in regards to fan curves and stuff and personally I'd keep the GPU (assuming I'm not missing a glaring issue with that GPU) and keep the CPU and just go with a better monitor. It is your money though and I can't make that decision for you but from what I've gathered you don't have a huge problem aside from fan noise. A new CPU won't fix that and replacing the GPU might fix that but I doubt it personally. The monitor also isn't a must but if you want to use the GPU at its best then you could consider an upgrade.

 

True. And i may end up going that route. Ive head that 1440p should be a whole other experience.

 

The Issue is, that one of the fans have an annoying grind/whisteling like there is some contact with the frame or it lacks lubrication. A bit like if you place your hands (dry) against each other and move them the like you wash them.

Its not so loud that it can be heard far away, but since my PC is currently on a shelf right above my head the sound is very noticable and goes on my nerves.

Ive done quite a bit of fiddeling with undervolting and setting the fancurve, but since its a mechanical noise is is rather constant when the fans spin.

All 3 Sapphire Pulse cards get a lot of praise for being silent. From what I can read in reviews they are on Par with TUF coolers, and generally have a reputation of being the EVGA of Radeon cards.

 

That said, I hope that the new case, that means that i can move the position of the pc so its not litterally right in my face, will solve it.

 

Regarding the 5600x, its completely fine right now. Its mostly if people would point out that it may be a bit anemic paired with a 4070 super or a 7900 gre. I play Cyberpunk with roughly 70 fps on Raster on max and RT on medium.

Its mostly a general consideration since I enjoy grand strategy games like Victoria 3 that makes cpus whimper a bit.

 

 

Funny twist is that in these days im playing stardew vally on my OP gpu xD

Got into a bit of a cosy groove.

[TrollingJoker]

That sound you described, couldn't it be something specific to your GPU and not the model? Is it that bad or obvious enough to warrant a RMA?

 

In regards to the CPU. I personally use a 3070 Ti and a Ryzen 7 5800X and when playing Cyberpunk I crank everything up when playing 1440p but I disregard RT completely. I easily get like 80 1% lows and 100 ish highs when doing so. Raytracing is awesome but I don't think it should matter if my rate isn't smooth. Have you tried not using RT and seeing how your FPS is then?

 

If the kind of games you play aren't ones that blend well with your CPU then I wonder why you got it in the first place but IF you are set on upgrading the CPU I'd personally rather get the 5800x3D instead of the 5700 if you really want the x3D version. Better to go higher than regret it again.

 

Stardew Valley would be amazing on that  .

[TatamiMatt]

6 minutes ago, TrollingJoker said:

That sound you described, couldn't it be something specific to your GPU and not the model? Is it that bad or obvious enough to warrant a RMA?

 

In regards to the CPU. I personally use a 3070 Ti and a Ryzen 7 5800X and when playing Cyberpunk I crank everything up when playing 1440p but I disregard RT completely. I easily get like 80 1% lows and 100 ish highs when doing so. Raytracing is awesome but I don't think it should matter if my rate isn't smooth. Have you tried not using RT and seeing how your FPS is then?

 

If the kind of games you play aren't ones that blend well with your CPU then I wonder why you got it in the first place but IF you are set on upgrading the CPU I'd personally rather get the 5800x3D instead of the 5700 if you really want the x3D version. Better to go higher than regret it again.

 

Stardew Valley would be amazing on that  .

5700X3D is about 20% less cost but something along the lines of 2-3% less performance, possibly lower performance again im not sure, but its definitely the better price-performance buy

[DeerDK]

18 minutes ago, TrollingJoker said:

That sound you described, couldn't it be something specific to your GPU and not the model? Is it that bad or obvious enough to warrant a RMA?

 

Oh, I'm sure it's my specific gpu. And it's probably rma worthy and it's still within the return window, but I've been through 4 gpus since new year, and I'm kinda worn down at this point. 

 

18 minutes ago, TrollingJoker said:

Have you tried not using RT and seeing how your FPS is then?

According to benchmarks it will pull 100+ fps without RT. Can't remember the exact number. 

Anyway, my RT consideration is mostly if I decide to get an amd gpu, although the GRE actually doesn't fall completely through. 

18 minutes ago, TrollingJoker said:

If the kind of games you play aren't ones that blend well with your CPU then I wonder why you got it in the first place but IF you are set on upgrading the CPU I'd personally rather get the 5800x3D instead of the 5700 if you really want the x3D version. Better to go higher than regret it again.

I've undergone a bit of feature creep since I got it. I used to be firmly in the xx60/x600 gpu camp, but then the shortage happened and I went through too many hoops and got too desensitized to prices. 

And as I said, I decided to get a beefy gpu as a treat for myself, which leads to the considering of what the needs tweaking.

But you are right, I should probably go for the 5800x3d should I chose to upgrade. 

 

And yes, Stardew Valley is awesome on a 4070 super. Doesn't even need to spin its fans xD 

[podkall]

31 minutes ago, TatamiMatt said:

5700X3D is about 20% less cost but something along the lines of 2-3% less performance, possibly lower performance again im not sure

not much in gaming, productivity even, maybe slightly more in productivity but that's bout it

[podkall]

1 hour ago, DeerDK said:

I'm playing single player titles on a TUF 1080p 24" 144 Hz monitor. I know I should probably get a 1440p but I'm kinda opposed to throw stuff out that works. 

use 1080p as second monitor if you ever buy a 1440p?

 

1 hour ago, DeerDK said:

My options are. 

Sapphire Pulse 7700xt 3256 dkk

Sapphire Pulse 7800 xt 4299 dkk

Sapphire Pulse 7900 gre 4814 DKK

 

 

1 hour ago, DeerDK said:

I'm currently awaiting a new case to see if it will alleviate the current noise issues I have with my 4070 super

fan or coil whine?

[DeerDK]

2 minutes ago, podkall said:

use 1080p as second monitor if you ever buy a 1440p?

 

 

 

fan or coil whine?

Fan. It has a dry grind/whisteling sound like the fanblades are scraping sligtly agains the frame or something.

 

Regarding the 2. monitor. Its a good idea. Im unfortunatly too space limite for it to be an option. Alternatively i can just hold on to it untill my kids are old enough to want to have a pc for themselves. But as we live 4 people in a 2 bedroom apartment, space is not to be squandered away.

 

I did a bit of math based on TomsHardware's gpu hieracy. And the price on the 7700 xt is currently really good. Like neither the GRE or the 4070 super should cost above 4000 dkk to match cost pr frame. But Im aware of the diminishing returns in cost pr frame as the gpu gets more high tier.

My model on the left is what the cards should cost, if we lock it on the cost/fps ration on the 7700 xt (i know its not a perfect comparison, but i like tinkering with the numbers). ((Sorry for the janky formatting))

 

Rasterized performance.

						Pricing locked on 7700 xt cost pr frame
Model	1080p Ultra	1080p Medium	1440p Ultra		IRL price	1080p Ultra	1080p Medium	1440p Ultra
7700	116,1	171,6	92,7		3.250,00 kr.	3.250,00 kr.	3.250,00 kr.	3.250,00 kr.
7800	129,3	179,1	105,8		4.299,00 kr.	3.619,51 kr.	3.392,05 kr.	3.709,28 kr.
7900	135,8	184,3	113,9		4.800,00 kr.	3.801,46 kr.	3.490,53 kr.	3.993,26 kr.
4070s	134,2	185,1	109,8		6.000,00 kr.	3.756,68 kr.	3.505,68 kr.	3.849,51 kr.

 

Raytracing performance.

						Pricing locked on 7700 xt cost pr frame
IRL price	1080p Ultra	1080p Medium	1440p Ultra		IRL price	1080p Ultra	1080p Medium	1440p Ultra
7700	68,4	49,7	31,8		3.250,00 kr.	3.250,00 kr.	3.250,00 kr.	3.250,00  kr.
7800	77,5	57,1	36,3		4.299,00 kr.	3.682,38 kr.	3.733,90 kr.	3.709,91 kr.
7900	87,7	63,7	41,2		4.800,00 kr.	4.167,03 kr.	4.165,49 kr.	4.210,69 kr.
4070s	113	85,6	54,5		6.000,00 kr.	5.369,15 kr.	5.597,59 kr.	5.569,97 kr.

[TrollingJoker]

43 minutes ago, DeerDK said:

Regarding the 2. monitor. Its a good idea. Im unfortunatly too space limite for it to be an option. Alternatively i can just hold on to it untill my kids are old enough to want to have a pc for themselves. But as we live 4 people in a 2 bedroom apartment, space is not to be squandered away.

Not sure what monitor you have but if it has 144 hz refresh rate then I can imagine it has some reselling value.

 

Also I just read your footer. Very funny considering your case change  

[podkall]

43 minutes ago, DeerDK said:

But Im aware of the diminishing returns in cost pr frame as the gpu gets more high tier.

Also cost per frame doesn't tell you the whole picture,

 

all I know is that 7700 XT is 12GB, and if you know how games work, if you plan on playing newer titles at high settings and resolutions, VRAM can be important,

 

games already surpass 12GB of VRAM in certain circumstances, though sometimes the loss of some assets not being on VRAM isn't that bad, other times it's cutting noticeable amount of performance,

 

obviously this is much more prominent on high resolutions like 4K and 1440p, just showing you the great picture of things,

 

this is Red Dead Redemption 2 on 1080p resolution, it doesn't need 12GB of VRAM, but it will use more than 12GB of VRAM if available, as you can see it's around 13GB on the GRE GPU, again this is on 1080p, it's probably on max or almost max settings and FSR is off here:

 

[DeerDK]

4 minutes ago, TrollingJoker said:

Not sure what monitor you have but if it has 144 hz refresh rate then I can imagine it has some reselling value.

 

Also I just read your footer. Very funny considering your case change  

Probably. It's 144hz ips, and works great. Some people also suggested that I use the function to play in 1440p but scaled down. Like opposed DLSS. Just can't remember the term right now 

 

Yeah... I love my Node 304, but with my new stealth gaming setup (built into some IKEA Metod cabinets) it's just becoming more hazzle than it's worth. So I've ordered the Silverstone Alta G1M. 

[DeerDK]

22 minutes ago, podkall said:

Also cost per frame doesn't tell you the whole picture,

 

all I know is that 7700 XT is 12GB, and if you know how games work, if you plan on playing newer titles at high settings and resolutions, VRAM can be important,

 

games already surpass 12GB of VRAM in certain circumstances, though sometimes the loss of some assets not being on VRAM isn't that bad, other times it's cutting noticeable amount of performance,

 

obviously this is much more prominent on high resolutions like 4K and 1440p, just showing you the great picture of things,

 

this is Red Dead Redemption 2 on 1080p resolution, it doesn't need 12GB of VRAM, but it will use more than 12GB of VRAM if available, as you can see it's around 13GB on the GRE GPU, again this is on 1080p, it's probably on max or almost max settings and FSR is off here:

 

 

Yes. I'm also aware of the 12/16 GB discussion. I figured that I will manage on 12, but at that time the amd cards wasn't at play due to the size limitations of my old case.

The gre actually look pretty awesome to me. I'm not entirely sure why. 

[podkall]

3 minutes ago, DeerDK said:

Yes. I'm also aware of the 12/16 GB discussion. I figured that I will manage on 12, but at that time the amd cards wasn't at play due to the size limitations of my old case.

The gre actually look pretty awesome to me. I'm entirely sure why. 

The GRE is quite a bargain for gamers:

 

 

 

[podkall]

Just now, podkall said:

The GRE is quite a bargain for gamers:

For price/performance at raster of course, but still matches 4070 at raytracing, while having more VRAM which can choke if you're both running out of VRAM and RT,

 

and it's right behind 4070 Ti Super in raster, but again the price makes it a bargain,

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card  ($799.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: XFX RX-79GMERCB9 Radeon RX 7900 GRE 16 GB Video Card  ($540.53 @ Amazon)
Total: $1340.52
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-15 07:56 EDT-0400

[DeerDK]

2 minutes ago, podkall said:

For price/performance at raster of course, but still matches 4070 at raytracing, while having more VRAM which can choke if you're both running out of VRAM and RT,

 

and it's right behind 4070 Ti Super in raster, but again the price makes it a bargain,

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card  ($799.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: XFX RX-79GMERCB9 Radeon RX 7900 GRE 16 GB Video Card  ($540.53 @ Amazon)
Total: $1340.52
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-15 07:56 EDT-0400

Thats also my thought. Stronger that the 4070 super in normal scenarios, but cheaper, and not a complete slug in RT. And CP2077 is the only RT game i really care about right now. Its also extremely demanding, so im a bit afraid im lettin it skew my perception too much.

 

That said. If my new case solves all my noise issues, I don't think im going to go through the whole RMA/return hassle again. 

[PDifolco]

3 hours ago, DeerDK said:

Hi everyone. 

I'm currently awaiting a new case to see if it will alleviate the current noise issues I have with my 4070 super (I got it because I decided to spend my Christmas bonus on something quite a bit nicer than just bare minimum). 

If it doesn't, I'm considering going AMD instead, but I'm a bit in doubt if I should tone the whole thing down a few notches. 

 

I'm playing single player titles on a TUF 1080p 24" 144 Hz monitor. I know I should probably get a 1440p but I'm kinda opposed to throw stuff out that works. 

 

I'm kinda hooked on quiet cards so I've got my eyes on Sapphire Pulse. 

 

My options are. 

Sapphire Pulse 7700xt 3256 dkk

Sapphire Pulse 7800 xt 4299 dkk

Sapphire Pulse 7900 gre 4814 DKK

 

My current card is a Msi 4070 Super, Gaming slim. Bought for 6000 DKK. 

Chosen because it could fit in my old case, but since I'm upgrading the case I get more possibilities. 

 

I know the gpu is overkill but I like to play cyberpunk and such with the visuals dialed all up. But I'm aware that cyberpunk is a bit of a niche case and our time's crysis. 

My cpu is a 5600x, that I'm umming and hmm'ing about upgrading to a 5700x3d. 

 

Any thoughts on prices, price to performance and shooting completely above the goal?

 

 

What's your issue exactly with the 4070S ?

Noise ?  But it's no more noisy than the AMD GPUs, or even less as it's more efficient, not sure it'll  help...

Your "new" GPU will be at best a sidegrade, the 7900GRE is a bit faster but you lose DLSS and get way worse RT (I'm a CP2077 fan and my 7900XTX barely perform in  RT than my  previous 3080...)

[DeerDK]

Just now, PDifolco said:

What's your issue exactly with the 4070S ?

Noise ?  But it's no more noisy than the AMD GPUs, or even less as it's more efficient, not sure it'll  help...

Your "new" GPU will be at best a sidegrade, the 7900GRE is a bit faster but you lose DLSS and get way worse RT (I'm a CP2077 fan and my 7900XTX barely perform in  RT than my  previous 3080...)

My issue is a squeaky fan - so it's my specific gpu that has an issue. Again... And due to it currently being played right above m head on a shelf it grinds my gears. 

 

Even if it's a side grade it would be sidegrade that cost 1200 DKK, or roughly 200$ less than my current gpu. But as said in a earlier post. If the new case solves the issue I don't think I'm going to replace the gpu again. I've been through 4 in 2024 and I'm just fed up with the whole circus. 

[podkall]

6 minutes ago, DeerDK said:

That said. If my new case solves all my noise issues, I don't think im going to go through the whole RMA/return hassle again. 

let's hope that's the final thing of it

 

3 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

What's your issue exactly with the 4070S ?

Noise ?

yes apparently it's some fan specific noise?

 

1 hour ago, DeerDK said:

Fan. It has a dry grind/whisteling sound like the fanblades are scraping sligtly agains the frame or something.

 

@DeerDK would you mind recording the sound you find annoying/bothersome?

[DeerDK]

1 minute ago, podkall said:

let's hope that's the final thing of it

 

yes apparently it's some fan specific noise?

 

 

@DeerDK would you mind recording the sound you find annoying/bothersome?

I actually tried doing it, but either my recording isn't good enough, or people couldn't hear what i hear (or just not figure out what to listen for).

 

There are 3 sounds in the recording. The clicks from my mouse when i start and stop the fan in MSI afterburner, the grind sound and then the rush of air as my fans speed up.

[PDifolco]

3 minutes ago, DeerDK said:

My issue is a squeaky fan - so it's my specific gpu that has an issue. Again... And due to it currently being played right above m head on a shelf it grinds my gears. 

 

Even if it's a side grade it would be sidegrade that cost 1200 DKK, or roughly 200$ less than my current gpu. But as said in a earlier post. If the new case solves the issue I don't think I'm going to replace the gpu again. I've been through 4 in 2024 and I'm just fed up with the whole circus. 

If you have a squeaky/defective GPU fan I don't think a  new case will help...

Either RMA it or try to fix it, how does it look ?

[DeerDK]

8 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

If you have a squeaky/defective GPU fan I don't think a  new case will help...

Either RMA it or try to fix it, how does it look ?

It can help me in two ways.

A: it has a smaller footprint, so i can place it further away from my head.

B: due to it being a more modern case I can fit in gpus with a much bigger cooler, so I can choose from a wider pool of options

 

I am heavily contemplating doing an RMA, but I don't think its a severe fault, and if it helps not having it litteraly 40 cm from my face, it may be enough.

Also, as Ive said, im kinda fed up with RMAs right now. So a workaround is tempting

[PDifolco]

5 minutes ago, DeerDK said:

It can help me in two ways.

A: it has a smaller footprint, so i can place it further away from my head.

B: due to it being a more modern case I can fit in gpus with a much bigger cooler, so I can choose from a wider pool of options

 

I am heavily contemplating doing an RMA, but I don't think its a severe fault, and if it helps not having it litteraly 40 cm from my face, it may be enough.

Also, as Ive said, im kinda fed up with RMAs right now. So a workaround is tempting

Could you make a vid of the GPU while running so we can hear the noise ?

 

[DeerDK]

See the link above. I made a tread a little time ago.