Build for a friend

[Linuswasright]

Just double checking, yes I know the psu is quite bad but it should be good enough
 

Budget (including currency): <500$, lower is better

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Largely gaming, 1440p

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

The 201$ psu is from neweggs “builder flash sale”, so is more like all of the above parts besides the gpu and cpu. If costs can be cut anywhere, that would be helpful
 

I know the cpu/gpu is a bit lopsided but he’s going to play at 1440p
 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dv2Cn6

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($84.88 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock B450M/ac R2.0 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($0.00) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($0.00) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 512 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($0.00) 
Video Card: PowerColor Red Dragon Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB Video Card  ($165.00) 
Case: DIYPC F2 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($0.00) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Smart 500 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply  ($201.00) 
Total: $450.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-12 07:00 EDT-0400

[will0hlep]

18 minutes ago, Linuswasright said:

Just double checking, yes I know the psu is quite bad but it should be good enough
 

Budget (including currency): <500$, lower is better

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Largely gaming, 1440p

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

The 201$ psu is from neweggs “builder flash sale”, so is more like all of the above parts besides the gpu and cpu. If costs can be cut anywhere, that would be helpful
 

I know the cpu/gpu is a bit lopsided but he’s going to play at 1440p
 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dv2Cn6

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($84.88 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock B450M/ac R2.0 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($0.00) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($0.00) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 512 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($0.00) 
Video Card: PowerColor Red Dragon Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB Video Card  ($165.00) 
Case: DIYPC F2 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($0.00) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Smart 500 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply  ($201.00) 
Total: $450.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-12 07:00 EDT-0400

Okay, what games specifically?

 

When you say the "The 201$ psu is from neweggs “builder flash sale”" do you actually mean that your getting the board, memory, storage, case and PSU for $201?

[will0hlep]

20 minutes ago, Linuswasright said:

Video Card: PowerColor Red Dragon Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB Video Card  ($165.00)

You could get a used 1080 Ti for this money which would be a much better card and net you an extra 3GB of Vram.

[Linuswasright]

21 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

Okay, what games specifically?

 

When you say the "The 201$ psu is from neweggs “builder flash sale”" do you actually mean that your getting the board, memory, storage, case and PSU for $201?

Ye, I’m not getting a 201$ psu lol

 

its about 20-40$ cheaper than buying it separately so I’ll take it
 

Also no microcenter nearby, to my great sadness

[Linuswasright]

19 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

You could get a used 1080 Ti for this money which would be a much better card and net you an extra 3GB of Vram.

1440 won’t necessary need to much vram
 

“Much better”: tbh I love the 1080ti but the to toe with the Rx 5700xt it can’t really compete in the non-rt games (forgot to mention that it was in mainly rasterized games). Also 5700xt is a lot newer, which will be better as I don’t want to be it guy for my friend when the drivers aren’t supported any more

 

[podkall]

I'd say they're pretty even:

 

The 5700 XT just has better technology I guess. (like GDDR6)

 

 

[Linuswasright]

19 minutes ago, podkall said:

I'd say they're pretty even:

 

The 5700 XT just has better technology I guess. (like GDDR6)

 

 

It depends on the game, they give and take

[jaslion]

That smart 500 is gonna kill the system. They are known shit psu's and a heavier load system like that wont end well. Its over a decade old, was a known pc killer back then and sure as shit still is now. Avoid at all costs.

 

Else pc is ok

 

Board has poor vrms so basically a 6 core is the best it'll do before dropping performance due to heat and being inadequate.

 

5700xt will do 1440p gaming but keep expectations tempered its a 60fps+ card still at it most of the time at high settings.

[will0hlep]

1 hour ago, Linuswasright said:

1440 won’t necessary need to much vram
 

“Much better”: tbh I love the 1080ti but the to toe with the Rx 5700xt it can’t really compete in the non-rt games (forgot to mention that it was in mainly rasterized games). Also 5700xt is a lot newer, which will be better as I don’t want to be it guy for my friend when the drivers aren’t supported any more

 

 

1 hour ago, podkall said:

I'd say they're pretty even:

 

The 5700 XT just has better technology I guess. (like GDDR6)

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Linuswasright said:

It depends on the game, they give and take

looks to me like my advise is a bit out of date, that said, looking through I'd still take the 1080Ti if the OP is playing triple A titles, as there are plenty of games using more than 8GB vram at max settings even at 1080p.

[Linuswasright]

1 hour ago, will0hlep said:

 

 

looks to me like my advise is a bit out of date, that said, looking through I'd still take the 1080Ti if the OP is playing triple A titles, as there are plenty of games using more than 8GB vram at max settings even at 1080p.

If it was more important then they wouldn’t be neck and neck. It’s enough for the games he wants, I’ve checked
 

Remember, the 1080ti is also pretty old. When they get culled from driver updates then it’s kinda just dead in the water. At least the 5700xt has a good bit of time ahead of it.

[Linuswasright]

1 hour ago, jaslion said:

That smart 500 is gonna kill the system. They are known shit psu's and a heavier load system like that wont end well. Its over a decade old, was a known pc killer back then and sure as shit still is now. Avoid at all costs.

 

Else pc is ok

 

Board has poor vrms so basically a 6 core is the best it'll do before dropping performance due to heat and being inadequate.

 

5700xt will do 1440p gaming but keep expectations tempered its a 60fps+ card still at it most of the time at high settings.

The smart isn’t great, but it’s fine. The only alternatives at the price point are like the galaxies, which aren’t great. It’s in d-tier, so at least it’s got that going for it. It’s the best of the shit, the rest are like f-tier

 

boards only cheap board with wifi. I’m willing to make that trade. He’s not going to put a 5800x3d lol
 

Sadly, it’s the best budget card in the range. I hope the 7000 series nosedives in price along with the 6000 series so that budget cards aren’t shit anymkre

 

[jaslion]

Just now, Linuswasright said:

The smart isn’t great, but it’s fine. The only alternatives at the price point are like the galaxies, which aren’t great. It’s in d-tier, so at least it’s got that going for it. It’s the best of the shit, the rest are like f-tier

The smart you have selected IS f tier. Its their worst one.

 

Do not use this. It will go wrong. I've had the misfortune of seeing these for 10 years.

[Linuswasright]

Just now, jaslion said:

The smart you have selected IS f tier. Its their worst one.

 

Do not use this. It will go wrong. I've had the misfortune of seeing these for 10 years.

Umm aschually 

 

i know it’s bad, but I’ve used it before. They’re not great with spikes, but maybe I’ll just grab a 600w. Again, if you can find a better one that’s that cheap and can fit in the budget, I’d be happy, but there’s nothing i could find
 

[jaslion]

45 minutes ago, Linuswasright said:

Umm aschually 

 

i know it’s bad, but I’ve used it before. They’re not great with spikes, but maybe I’ll just grab a 600w. Again, if you can find a better one that’s that cheap and can fit in the budget, I’d be happy, but there’s nothing i could find
 

 

Aaah thats the old list

 

It got moved down even more because it kept killing systems. Its been on the please do not use/replace spot since it's release

 

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

 

 

Its been rereviewed btw. It has NO functioning protections, uses a very old design that is harmfull to new components by just existing basically, has been out of production (its old stock) and genuinly will just kill the fuck out of this pc.

 

You using it well is pure luck. Its an argument I see all the time. I've done it myself. I got lucky or at least for a while.

 

The fact of the matter is this psu is not safe to use. It goes extremely flaky closer to max load which usually and LUCKALY makes the system crash before the psu goes to kill stuff.

 

Do not get this. You have some budget left for a not shit psu. A msi a550b is like 45$ for a 650w unit and its ok.

[Linuswasright]

3 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Aaah thats the old list

 

It got moved down even more because it kept killing systems. Its been on the please do not use/replace spot since it's release

 

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

 

 

Its been rereviewed btw. It has NO functioning protections, uses a very old design that is harmfull to new components by just existing basically, has been out of production (its old stock) and genuinly will just kill the fuck out of this pc.

 

You using it well is pure luck. Its an argument I see all the time. I've done it myself. I got lucky or at least for a while.

 

The fact of the matter is this psu is not safe to use. It goes extremely flaky closer to max load which usually and LUCKALY makes the system crash before the psu goes to kill stuff.

 

Do not get this. You have some budget left for a not shit psu. A msi a550b is like 45$ for a 650w unit and its ok.

Ah ok thanks

[will0hlep]

6 hours ago, Linuswasright said:

If it was more important then they wouldn’t be neck and neck. It’s enough for the games he wants, I’ve checked
 

Remember, the 1080ti is also pretty old. When they get culled from driver updates then it’s kinda just dead in the water. At least the 5700xt has a good bit of time ahead of it.

that's fair,

what are the games he's looking to play?

[Linuswasright]

1 hour ago, will0hlep said:

that's fair,

what are the games he's looking to play?

Not entirely sure, but generally rasterized gpu heavy games (no sims and strategy I don’t think)