Thoughts... General question

[mikkkukene]

What do you guys think of this build?
I have a bit over of 50€ left. I harvested the ram, gpu, psu, ssd from my old computer. Will everything work out fine? Will i have to worry about something?
Pcpartpicker link: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4mTZDZ 

[Fasauceome]

The build will work properly. But that ram is pretty slow, you should try an overclock or just get faster ram as your next upgrade in the near future. The newer Intel CPUs benefit a lot from faster memory, and 3600MHz and up is pretty reasonable. 

[MiszS]

At this budget, you shouldn't get an AIO, especially an expensive one like this, something like AK620 would work fine, if you don't plan on overclocking the cpu, which you can't do on this board. Same with the SSD, that's 1 of the best SSDs there is, and you do not need it for whatever you will be doing, it would be way better to buy a cheaper one, like the crucial p3 or lexar nm620/710. You could upgrade to a DDR5 motherboard and RAM with the saved money and the extra 50$ if you do that

[mikkkukene]

2 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

The build will work properly. But that ram is pretty slow, you should try an overclock or just get faster ram as your next upgrade in the near future. The newer Intel CPUs benefit a lot from faster memory, and 3600MHz and up is pretty reasonable. 

Yes. I thought of it. Im saving up money to buy this "VENGEANCE RGB PRO SL 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Memory Kit – White" or something similar.

[mikkkukene]

3 minutes ago, MiszS said:

At this budget, you shouldn't get an AIO, especially an expensive one like this, something like AK620 would work fine, if you don't plan on overclocking the cpu, which you can't do on this board.

I really like the way the AIO looks and i care about aesthetics. That's why I'm going to buy it, even tho it might be an overkill.

[filpo]

12 minutes ago, mikkkukene said:

What do you guys think of this build?
I have a bit over of 50€ left. I harvested the ram, gpu, psu, ssd from my old computer. Will everything work out fine? Will i have to worry about something?
Pcpartpicker link: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4mTZDZ 

Please no 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($349.00 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III A-RGB 48.82 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler 
Motherboard: *Gigabyte B650 EAGLE AX ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: *Silicon Power XPOWER Zenith Gaming 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($92.97 @ B&H) 
Storage: *Leven JPS800 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($102.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: *Asus DUAL OC Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB Video Card  ($499.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Montech SKY TWO ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: *Cooler Master MWE Gold 850 - V2 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($94.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1379.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-03-02 11:50 EST-0500

EDIT: use the non rgb version since the rgb version isn’t in stock (or get the 240 rgb) https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XgyH99/arctic-liquid-freezer-iii-563-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00136a

[mikkkukene]

I dont have that much money to spend on a totally new pc. With the budget i have right now, i could only buy the cpu, mobo and ram.

[filpo]

1 minute ago, mikkkukene said:

I dont have that much money to spend on a totally new pc. With the budget i have right now, i could only buy the cpu, mobo and ram.

How much do you have?

[Fasauceome]

2 minutes ago, mikkkukene said:

dont have that much money to spend on a totally new pc.

Consider a cheaper non-K i5

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pQNxFT/intel-core-i5-12400f-25-ghz-6-core-processor-bx8071512400f

Since you can't overclock the CPU on a B-series board anyway

[mikkkukene]

56 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

Consider a cheaper non-K i5

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pQNxFT/intel-core-i5-12400f-25-ghz-6-core-processor-bx8071512400f

Since you can't overclock the CPU on a B-series board anyway

But the 12400f performs way worse than the 12600kf right?

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, mikkkukene said:

But the 12400f performs way worse than the 12600kf right?

There is almost no difference in performance, the experience that both provide would be nearly the same

 

You are not using a super high end graphics card like a 4080 super, so you aren't exactly pushing the CPU to its limits

[mikkkukene]

2 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

There is almost no difference in performance, the experience that both provide would be nearly the same

 

You are not using a super high end graphics card like a 4080 super, so you aren't exactly pushing the CPU to its limits

But future proofing it with 12600kf isn't worth it? And its only 50€ less expensive.

[Fasauceome]

3 minutes ago, mikkkukene said:

But future proofing it with 12600kf isn't worth it? And its only 50€ less expensive.

Future proof isn't really a good way to build a PC. The best way to have a healthy PC going into the future is to have a good upgrade path. 

 

In the motherboard you chose, you can put an i7-13700 or 14700, decently fast memory, and your power supply sports a pretty beefy GPU. As far as future proof goes, that's really the best you can ask for. 

 

That's also the reason I have recommended a Ryzen system for years. AMD's promise to support AM4 through 4 generations held true and a lot of people made really big performance jumps without needing to swap their whole system

[Middcore]

12 minutes ago, mikkkukene said:

But future proofing it with 12600kf isn't worth it? And its only 50€ less expensive.

>"Future proofing"

>2-generation old CPU on a dead socket

 

 

[mikkkukene]

Just now, Middcore said:

>"Future proofing"

>2-generation old CPU on a dead socket

 

 

Future proof as in "i dont need to upgrade to a new cpu soon"

[BahnStormer]

As per @filpo "please no"....

 

That cooler is crazy: it's decent, but just draws attention to where corners have been cut elsewhere.... first question you'll be asked is "what's the overclock you're managing on a cooler that that?".... and you'll have to say you've got a dead-end CPU that's eating half your power budget and it's on a board that won't let you overclock ever.

 

I applaud the attempt to re-use old kit, but 2666Mhz AND CL19 is going to kill that build for any gaming, not to mention being a bit embarrassing when it's lit up in RGB glory, even with a low end CPU + GPU.... let's try to swap out some stuff to get you something that will crush that build.... and a solid base for future upgrades.

 

Biggest concern is building around a DDR4 build on a dead-end socket.... same reason I wouldn't recommend somebody spend money on AM4 unless they already have parts or they're on a SERIOUS budget.... Biggest worry is that you're already talking about spending more on slightly better DDR4 later. It's a crazy waste - even more than that cooler!

 

I always say Don't plan on "future proofing", that's a fools errand.... but at least build for the future (don't paint yourself into a corner). 

 

The build Filpo recommended is pretty classy: great cooler, CPU, etc... but I realise he's got some "false savings" where he's suggested some good low latency DDR5 and the 7800XT instead of a crazy-priced DDR4 and RTX3060... but you're not actually spending that: you own that RAM and RTX already, right?

 

I'll focus on the bits you don't have already and I would seriously want to "not buy"... I can see that you're proposing $530 for your motherboard, CPU and cooler.

 

Please consider this "Option1" instead:

Ryzen 5 7600X ($213)

Arctic Liquid Freezer III 240mm ($77)

ASRock B650M Pro RS ($130)

32Gb of GSkill FlareX5 DDR5-6000 CL30 ($107)

 

$527 total: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sTMXN6

 

This would give you a FAR better CPU for gaming, more appropriate AIO, motherboard that will see another 4+ years of serious upgrades (7800X3D and beyond) AND 32Gb of some of the best gaming RAM I can justify spending money on... all of which that should be able to support the next few CPU upgrades.

 

Option2:

If you are desperate to complete the build now and wanted some RGB with the extra $50, there is a 360mm Arctic Freezer III with RGB for ~$35 extra and a GSkill Trident Z5 Neo + RGB (still DDR5 6000 and CL30) for $11 extra or the same spec in white + RGB for $17 extra.

 

Option3:

If your budget is a HARD limit of $50 more, but you're desperate to get that Gallahad in there eventually and want to build toward lots of white + RGB, then save ~$60 for now and just put a 7600X with a sub $20 tower cooler (Thermalright Assassin X120 - it'll be plenty!) and save up for the bling that you don't need later.... at least it'll be a build to be proud of once you illuminate it all it's RGB glory.

Added benefit of this 7600X build is that it won't stretch your PSU too much anytime soon: I mention this as your proposed build has the i5 peak power load rated at 150W max (this is the official Intel spec, but at least 75W below the 220-250W that you should plan for - even without overclocking)... this would mean 600W load on a 650W PSU, which is not particularly good headroom for a stable system.

[BahnStormer]

I've been crunching the numbers again as I hate wasting money on stuff that you buy, with a plan to replace soon.... or building on old platforms.

Your proposed cooler + fans + CPU + motherboard = $580

 

You were considering spending ~$50 extra.

 

Aiming for $630 budget  to replace those parts, but leave the rest (e.g. the parts you already have AND the case) the same as your original proposal.

 

Option4

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wDjvcH

Ryzen 5 7600X

Asrock B650M Pro RS

GSkill Trident FlareX5 32Gb DDR5 6000 CL30 (saves over $20)

AND you get to keep your silly cooler  (but no DeepCool fans for now)

 

$622 total.... goal achieved.

 

But I noticed this alternative equally high spec RAM, which might be of interest given your obsession with aesthetics over common sense

 

Option5

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8gHppB

Ryzen 5 7600X

Asrock B650M Pro RS

GSkill Trident Z5 RGB 32Gb DDR5 6000 CL30(white topped + RGB)

you STILL get to keep your silly cooler  (but still no DeepCool fans)

 

$647 total

 

Which is $17 over target, but no wastage at all as that RAM should keep you happy for several years and gets you closer to your white + RGB build.

 

With either of those, the only thing you miss out on is the extra fans, which you will NOT need with a genuinely 65W CPU and 360mm AIO.... add the fans later, if you really want to.

 

This will look and perform way better than a aching slow DDR4 build AND you're not spending on anything that you won't keep for a few years. 

[Why_Me]

3 hours ago, mikkkukene said:

What do you guys think of this build?
I have a bit over of 50€ left. I harvested the ram, gpu, psu, ssd from my old computer. Will everything work out fine? Will i have to worry about something?
Pcpartpicker link: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4mTZDZ 

What will be the primary uses of your PC and if it includes gaming what is your resolution. Also what country are you located.

[mikkkukene]

6 minutes ago, BahnStormer said:

Crunching the numbers again:

Your proposed cooler + fans + CPU + motherboard = $580

 

You were considering spending ~$50 extra.

 

Try this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8gHppB

7600X

Asrock B650M

GSkill Trident Z5 RGB (white topped + RGB)

AND you get to keep your silly cooler

I tried doing that build, but these parts cost more in my country.
My budget: 700€
7600x = 260
Arctic Liquid Freezer III = 83€
ASROCK B650M PRO RS = 155€
G.SKILL DDR5 5600 MT/s 2x16GB Flare X5 = 140€
That would leave me 62€ for: fans and the case(which i have wanted for a very long time)
How i have my budget set up:
i5-12600KF - 196€
O11 vision - 151€
AIO - 146€
Fans - 34€
MOBO - 140€

I know i know, i could save up so much money by using my old case, but thats not what im going for here. I want the pc to be the staple of my room, the Trophy, the glory of my room. I understand having an 7600x would be a lot better than a lot better than the 12600kf, but i maybe care too much about aesthetics. After buying the new things (Mobo, cpu, fans, case, aio) I will save up money for better ram.
Thanks for the long response, it means a lot, but I don't have that big of an budget to buy the 7600x and its components. 
It might seem dumb to you, and now to me as well that I'm willing to spend over 300€ on just a case and an AIO.

[BahnStormer]

Option1 is the sensible choice.

 

As much as it is NOT my taste, I'm a realist and recognise the obsession with looks, so Option5 is probably the closest to "sensible" I think I can get you to consider  

[mikkkukene]

2 minutes ago, BahnStormer said:

Option1 is the sensible choice.

 

As much as it is NOT my taste, I'm a realist and recognise the obsession with looks, so Option5 is probably the closest to "sensible" I think I can get you to consider  

I would but i still need money for the case...

[Middcore]

1 hour ago, BahnStormer said:

As per @filpo "please no"....

 

That cooler is crazy: it's decent, but just draws attention to where corners have been cut elsewhere.... first question you'll be asked is "what's the overclock you're managing on a cooler that that?".... and you'll have to say you've got a dead-end CPU that's eating half your power budget and it's on a board that won't let you overclock ever.

 

I mean... who gives a shit what people "ask"? Who's going to be asking? People don't need to justify the stuff in their PC that makes them happy to other people, it's not a PC for other people.

 

That said, when budget is limited, I would recommend making more practical choices. 

[BahnStormer]

24 minutes ago, mikkkukene said:

I tried doing that build, but these parts cost more in my country.
My budget: 700€
7600x = 260
Arctic Liquid Freezer III = 83€
ASROCK B650M PRO RS = 155€
G.SKILL DDR5 5600 MT/s 2x16GB Flare X5 = 140€
That would leave me 62€ for: fans and the case(which i have wanted for a very long time)
How i have my budget set up:
i5-12600KF - 196€
O11 vision - 151€
AIO - 146€
Fans - 34€
MOBO - 140€

I know i know, i could save up so much money by using my old case, but thats not what im going for here. I want the pc to be the staple of my room, the Trophy, the glory of my room. I understand having an 7600x would be a lot better than a lot better than the 12600kf, but i maybe care too much about aesthetics. After buying the new things (Mobo, cpu, fans, case, aio) I will save up money for better ram.
Thanks for the long response, it means a lot, but I don't have that big of an budget to buy the 7600x and its components. 
It might seem dumb to you, and now to me as well that I'm willing to spend over 300€ on just a case and an AIO.

You kinda flipped the target around... it is a complete waste of time if you are planning a build based on other country's prices, especially when those quoted prices don't include tax yet.

 

You'll end up at least 20% over budget as that's what VAT is in most € countries, not to mention setting your sights on hardware that may not be available in your region at all.

[BahnStormer]

5 minutes ago, mikkkukene said:

I would but i still need money for the case...

I left the case as part of your original build + budget, the $630 was only based removing the RGB fans and swapping the CPU+motherboard, so it would be a great platform for a future upgrade and allow you to buy decent RAM to give you WAY better performance for now.

 

Since you're not going to buy the hardware in a different region, with very different prices, you need to set your targets based on your region's prices. 

[BahnStormer]

27 minutes ago, Middcore said:

 

I mean... who gives a shit what people "ask"? Who's going to be asking? People don't need to justify the stuff in their PC that makes them happy to other people, it's not a PC for other people.

 

That said, when budget is limited, I would recommend making more practical choices. 

I personally don't care what people ask, but I thought I'd try to push that button to steer him to a better platform: I figured that people who want to spend over $200 on an over-sized RGB AIO with LCD screens and RGB fans might also want to think about bargain bucket 2666MT/sec CL19 RAM that they're drawing attention to.

To be clear, I'm not going to criticise people for using budget RAM if they're on a genuine budget and just want the best performance they can afford.... but this was clearly about cosmetics