What gpu should i get?

[Nobaris]

Current pc (at 1080p 144hz):

cpu: 5600x

cooler: arctic 34 esports duo

mobo: b550 aorus pro ac

ram: 32gb 3600mhz cl18 klevv

storage: adata sx8200 pro 1tb, samsung 980 1tb

gpu: gigabyte 1660 super

psu: seasonic focus gx650 80+ gold

case: corsair 275r

 

I want to upgrade to 1440p 240hz, or if my budget cant stretch that far then 144hz is fine as well. I play mostly (60% of my time) esports such as apex/ow2/cs2/valorant (240fps absolutely required), but other times i also hop onto more casual titles like assetto corsa (and a bunch of other simracing titles), minecraft, world of tanks, and occasionally streaming. sometimes i play some singleplayer AAA games like elden ring, yakuza, or darksouls (240fps not a requirement, but nice to have). i am interested in playing around with raytracing as well (although my 1660 super now cant even do basic rt shit which is super frustrating), but im not sure if its going to be a long term/permanent thing.

 

I also want to upgrade as little of the other parts as possible to put as much of my budget into the gpu and monitor alone. i have a budget of around 750usd for the gpu (stretchable), but the prices of gpus in my country are wack, so ill just list them out here, converted all to usd.

 

4070 super: $740

4070 ti super: $965

4080 super: $1190ish

 

7800xt: $590-600

7900xt: $890 (for one powercolor hellhound card) , most are around $1040

7900xtx: $1120-$1200ish, if you count temporary offers

 

which gpu should i get that balances achieving what i want (1440p 240hz) as well as staying in my budget? i technically have a strict 1200usd budget for both gpu and monitor, but i plan to spend 450usd on a quality 1440p 240hz panel, since thats roughly how much they cost around here. please help me with my dilemma, thank you so much!

[WereCat]

At those prices the RX 7800 XT makes the most sense. Also your biggest limitation to get consistent 240FPS will be your CPU anyways.

[QuantumSingularity]

if i was you i'd go 5800X3D upgrade + 7800XT. Even at 1440p it should be better than 5600X + 7900XTX/4080Super. The biggest difference with that CPU won't be with the average FPS, but with 1% and 0.1% low. The extra L3 cache really smoothens the gameplay. The average FPS still will be higher, but not by that much outside of the titles which utilize it well like ACC. In those, the difference is just mind blowing.

If you go the 5800X3D route though, you better change the Arcitc 34 esports duo for Peerless Assassin 120SE

[Nobaris]

10 hours ago, QuantumSingularity said:

if i was you i'd go 5800X3D upgrade + 7800XT. Even at 1440p it should be better than 5600X + 7900XTX/4080Super. The biggest difference with that CPU won't be with the average FPS, but with 1% and 0.1% low. The extra L3 cache really smoothens the gameplay. The average FPS still will be higher, but not by that much outside of the titles which utilize it well like ACC. In those, the difference is just mind blowing.

If you go the 5800X3D route though, you better change the Arcitc 34 esports duo for Peerless Assassin 120SE

Yeah, the thing is a 5800X3d costs $470 in my country. with my $750 budget i will only have $300 at best left for the gpu. so i think as long as a 5600x doesnt bottleneck the gpu, it makes the most sense to just put all of my budget into the gpu, right? with $300 left for the gpu i wont be able to get even a 4060.

 

so is 5600x+7800xt/4070 super better than 5800X3d+not even a 4060?? prices in my country are wack i know.

 

after all, i could always upgrade the cpu a few years down the line, as long as the 5600x works well enough.

[Nobaris]

11 hours ago, WereCat said:

At those prices the RX 7800 XT makes the most sense. Also your biggest limitation to get consistent 240FPS will be your CPU anyways.

So what you're saying is that even a 5600x+4090 cant get 240fps constantly? and i should be saving up more money to upgrade both in the future?

[WereCat]

40 minutes ago, Nobaris said:

So what you're saying is that even a 5600x+4090 cant get 240fps constantly? and i should be saving up more money to upgrade both in the future?

Depending on game, yes. 

From the ones you mentioned OW2 and Valorant will be probably fine. 

CS2 and Apex both benefit a lot from the X3D CPUs so those will have significant performance uplift from 5600X though Apex has an in-engine cap of 240FPS so there the FPS stability will be better still but max FPS will stay the same. 

[Nobaris]

44 minutes ago, WereCat said:

Depending on game, yes. 

From the ones you mentioned OW2 and Valorant will be probably fine. 

CS2 and Apex both benefit a lot from the X3D CPUs so those will have significant performance uplift from 5600X though Apex has an in-engine cap of 240FPS so there the FPS stability will be better still but max FPS will stay the same. 

I see. So in this case, my best bet is to get the 7800xt? then see if i can upgrade my cpu to a 5800X3d in the future? its a staggering $470 in my country

[WereCat]

1 minute ago, Nobaris said:

I see. So in this case, my best bet is to get the 7800xt? then see if i can upgrade my cpu to a 5800X3d in the future? its a staggering $470 in my country

Don't buy 5800X3D for that price. That's stupid expensive. 

Yes, 7800 XT will be fine. 

[Nobaris]

Just now, WereCat said:

Don't buy 5800X3D for that price. That's stupid expensive. 

Yes, 7800 XT will be fine. 

Thank you! Also how viable is a 4070 super for my use case? or do i just pocket the loose change?

[WereCat]

5 minutes ago, Nobaris said:

Thank you! Also how viable is a 4070 super for my use case? or do i just pocket the loose change?

Around the same perf like 7800XT but better in RT which I assume is not relevant for your use case given the games you've mentioned

[Nobaris]

28 minutes ago, WereCat said:

Around the same perf like 7800XT but better in RT which I assume is not relevant for your use case given the games you've mentioned

i want to experiment with some rt (mainly minecraft and single player games) but im not sure if its going to be a long term thing. is dlss also something that i should consider if i want consistent 240+fps? from reviews it seems that the 4070s is about 10-15% faster than the 7800xt in rasterization, but costs 20+% more here. is it still worth it?

 

will either card even be able to fulfil my requirements? or do i need to spend more/less?

 

also, will my 5600x and 650w psu be enough to power either? at 1440p.

[WereCat]

16 minutes ago, Nobaris said:

i want to experiment with some rt (mainly minecraft and single player games) but im not sure if its going to be a long term thing. is dlss also something that i should consider if i want consistent 240+fps? from reviews it seems that the 4070s is about 10-15% faster than the 7800xt in rasterization, but costs 20+% more here. is it still worth it?

 

will either card even be able to fulfil my requirements? or do i need to spend more/less?

 

also, will my 5600x and 650w psu be enough to power either? at 1440p.

Upscaling will not help in CPU limited scenarios. 

AMD cards perform better in CPU limited scenarios due to lower driver overhead so 7800XT will be better with 5600X. 

 

DLSS does look better than FSR but it's up to you if you want to pay more for it and RT. 

 

650W is fine as long as it's a good quality PSU. 

 

Yes, both cards will be fine, I just think with the prices you've mentioned the 7800XT still makes more sense but yes, NVIDIA features are nice too. 

[QuantumSingularity]

If 5800X3D is out of the budget, check the 5700X3D. The additional L3 cache really REALLY helps with the lows. What you will do with such combo is introduce CPU bottleneck which is far worse than GPU bottleneck. You will have high average FPS half the time, the other half of the time you will experience serious lags and freezes with 1% lows as low as single digit FPS, depending on the game. Let's say you play CS2, you have around 240 FPS, someone throws a smoke granate and your FPS suddenly plummets to 11-15FPS before getting back to 240. Sudden changes in the scenes, like drawing a new player or muzzle flashes will drop the frames to below the halfway point for a brief second. I know it doesn't sound like much, but it's the worst kind of gameplay. where you will be left constantly frustrated from missed kills, you were certain should've been solid hits. 

[Nobaris]

11 hours ago, QuantumSingularity said:

If 5800X3D is out of the budget, check the 5700X3D. The additional L3 cache really REALLY helps with the lows. What you will do with such combo is introduce CPU bottleneck which is far worse than GPU bottleneck. You will have high average FPS half the time, the other half of the time you will experience serious lags and freezes with 1% lows as low as single digit FPS, depending on the game. Let's say you play CS2, you have around 240 FPS, someone throws a smoke granate and your FPS suddenly plummets to 11-15FPS before getting back to 240. Sudden changes in the scenes, like drawing a new player or muzzle flashes will drop the frames to below the halfway point for a brief second. I know it doesn't sound like much, but it's the worst kind of gameplay. where you will be left constantly frustrated from missed kills, you were certain should've been solid hits. 

i dont know, that all seems heavily exaggerated in comparison to what i read elsewhere…there might be a slight cpu bottleneck at best but from benchmarks it seems nothing as severe as you described. remember, im gonna be at 1440p 

[QuantumSingularity]

As i said, depending on the game. Some games like Assetto Corsa benefit heavily from the extra L3 cache. When i switched from 5600X to 5800X3D, my frames at 1080p WITH A GTX 1070 basically doubled. HWU very recently did a benchmark of all of the X3D CPUs against the regular models and the results are quite decisive:

As you can see, especially with 5600X, in some games the 1% lows of the X3Ds are HIGHER than the average FPS of the 5600X and even the 5800X. If gaming is your main priority, an X3D CPU is basically a no-brainer. Of course not all games are optimized for that extra cache, but rest assured that this will be the new way forward for game optimization.