Planning new build

[r0brrt]

Budget (including currency): 43 000 CZK

Country: Czech Republic

Hi I am planning new pc build, can you give me some advice if it's good or if I should change something.

 

https://cz.pcpartpicker.com/list/bcLRyg

As CPU cooler I want to use Endorfy Fortis 5 (I couldn't find it on part picker)

 

[bal7]

seems fine 2 me

[podkall]

3 minutes ago, bal723 said:

seems fine 2 me

no

[bal7]

Just now, podkall said:

no

[podkall]

1 minute ago, bal723 said:

 

it's ok to be wrong, I'm working on my explanation and list

[podkall]

@bal723 watch and learn

 

@r0brrt so your parts are not bad, they are good there are few adjustments you could and should do,

 

First CPU, ditch the X, you are paying extra to add letter next to your CPU save some Czech Crowns,

MB is good, I know a 300czk cheaper alternative if you want, it does have one less M.2 slot,

RAM is good, general guidelines on AM5 DDR5 RAM is 6000Mhz and 30CL on a 2x16GB kit, then there's nothing wrong with going the cheapest option within that spec,

Lexar is decent SSD, but WD Black SN770 is a consistent SSD I know of, which has pretty reasonable price I think it's slightly cheaper than Lexar while being about same in terms of quality, and coming from a known brand,

case, you can chose any case you want, most come with preinstalled fans so no need to buy more, the only thing you have to look out for is CPU cooler height clearance, (or radiator compatibility if Liquid Cooling), and GPU length, you want your components to fit inside your case most likely,

you actually chose a really good PSU, the one you chose has enough wattage for the system you chose and it's very high quality,

 

an example list would look something like this: (be careful about pcpartpicker price estimation, it doesn't register the GPU's price so the total price is ~22 000czk less than it should be)

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (5090.00Kč @ Alza)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK400 66.47 CFM CPU Cooler  (749.00Kč @ Alza)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 Gaming X ATX AM5 Motherboard  (4289.00Kč @ Alza)
Memory: *Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6200 CL30 Memory  (3299.00Kč @ Alza)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (3199.00Kč @ Alza)
Video Card: Palit JetStream OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card
Case: ENDORFY ARX 500 ARGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (2519.00Kč @ Alza)
Power Supply: ADATA XPG CORE Reactor 750 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (2519.00Kč @ Alza)
Total: 21664.00Kč
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-02-17 22:39 CET+0100

[bal7]

1 minute ago, podkall said:

@bal723 watch and learn

 

@r0brrt so your parts are not bad, they are good there are few adjustments,

 

First CPU, ditch the X, you are paying extra to add letter next to your CPU save some Czech Crowns,

MB is good, I know a 300czk cheaper alternative if you want, it does have one less M.2 slot,

RAM is good, general guidelines on AM5 DDR5 RAM is 6000Mhz and 30CL on a 2x16GB kit, then there's nothing wrong with going the cheapest option within that spec,

Lexar is decent SSD, but WD Black SN770 is a consistent SSD I know of, which has pretty reasonable price I think it's slightly cheaper than Lexar while being about same in terms of quality, and coming from a known brand,

case, you can chose any case you want, most come with preinstalled fans so no need to buy more, the only thing you have to look out for is CPU cooler height clearance, (or radiator compatibility if Liquid Cooling), and GPU length, you want your components to fit inside your case most likely,

you actually chose a really good PSU, the one you chose has enough wattage for the system you chose and it's very high quality,

 

an example list would look something like this: (be careful about pcpartpicker price estimation, it doesn't register the GPU's price so the total price is ~22 000czk less than it should be)

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (5090.00Kč @ Alza)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK400 66.47 CFM CPU Cooler  (749.00Kč @ Alza)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 Gaming X ATX AM5 Motherboard  (4289.00Kč @ Alza)
Memory: *Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6200 CL30 Memory  (3299.00Kč @ Alza)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (3199.00Kč @ Alza)
Video Card: Palit JetStream OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card
Case: ENDORFY ARX 500 ARGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (2519.00Kč @ Alza)
Power Supply: ADATA XPG CORE Reactor 750 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (2519.00Kč @ Alza)
Total: 21664.00Kč
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-02-17 22:39 CET+0100

understood a lil bit, but these new systems, just suck, they got too much numbers for me to handle, i think im only good at some low end or older platforms like x99 or etc

[podkall]

Just now, bal723 said:

understood a lil bit, but these new systems, just suck, they got too much numbers for me to handle, i think im only good at some low end or older platforms like x99 or etc

AM5 is not hard, if you want I can DM you a simple flowchart explanation how to pick parts for it

[bal7]

1 minute ago, podkall said:

AM5 is not hard, if you want I can DM you a simple flowchart explanation how to pick parts for it

yeah sure, maybe i will use it for my bro's pc in future

[podkall]

@r0brrt if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask

[Why_Me]

Board with better VRM's.

https://www.czc.cz/msi-pro-b650-s-wifi-amd-b650/388393/produkt 

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-B650-S-WIFI  

 

CPU that nets you similar results yet cost less and runs cooler.

https://www.czc.cz/amd-ryzen-5-7600/364666/produkt  

https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-5-7600  

[Somerandomtechyboi]

5 minutes ago, bal723 said:

understood a lil bit, but these new systems, just suck, they got too much numbers for me to handle, i think im only good at some low end or older platforms like x99 or etc

nah theyre pretty simple

 

On amds side b650m hdv is the reference board, cheap, vrms can handle an oced 7950x, good i/o (6 rear 8 internal usb a + 1 rear 1 internal usbc for 14 usba + 2 usbc), and 10000+ ddr5 capability. Most boards above its price are only notable for extra i/o (mainly usb ports but can also be other stuff like pcie, wifi, etc.) And vrms (which are overkill anyway), extra 2 dimm slots are useless

 

1:1 uclk is target ram speed for ideal performance which is 6200-6400 but 6000 for convenience since >6000 defaults to 2:1, c30/32 will work just fine and either be hynix m/a die, c36+ is probably garbage samsung dies unless you buy from teamgroup where their 5600c46 elite kit is hynix a die (still 10000+ capable), if 6400c32 is cheaper than 6000c30/32 then go ahead since you can just manually set freq to 6000 after enabling xmp so effectively 6000c32 and guaranteed hynix a dies. Imc is capable of ~8000 tops with 2:1 uclk but performance gain is minor so kinda pointless for the effort put in unless you are ocing for fun but at that point you might aswell get an apu

 

b650 vs x670 is pointless especially b650e and x670e unless you wanna run multi gpu so just assume chipset doesnt matter if its between those 4 and b650 will suffice, avoid a620 like the plague cause those boards are dogshit and not futureproof (terrible vrms, i/o, no oc, etc.)

 

x3d chips have more cache which makes them the best gaming cpus, technically dont need anything more than a 4 heatpipe tower to cool due to insulating ihs and cache assuming you run stock, overclockable via eclk which is on boards like the b650e taichi lite or x670e-a/f at the low end, dunno how far non external clockgen boards can push bclk due to limited info but likely around 103

 

X chips are horribly tuned out of the box and draw way too much power so needs manual tuning so it doesnt run like shit

 

G chips are mobile apus stuck on an am5 substrate, imc is capable of around 10600-10800 for best samples and unsure of ideal ram freq but id suspect around 9000-10000 ddr5, igpu performs like a 1050 (8600g) or 1050ti (8700g) with slow ~6000 ddr5 so expect more with tuned 9000-10000 ddr5 and an oc, uses TIM instead of solder so expect 20-30c drop with liquid metal if you delid as shown in a der8auer video, pricing is very bad and cache is halved compared to the 7000 cpus (worse cpu performance) so better off just buying a 7600/7700(x) and a used rx 580 8gb

 

Non x/g chips are very well tuned out of the box and you can raise power limit to get extra performance due to stock power limit of 88w, 7700 and 7900 have the wraith prism which is more than adequate for stock and mild oc/power limit increase but the 7600 wraith stealth can be thrown in the trash =p

 

this is about as much as i know including some basic oc information, not really that complicated just looks intimidating atleast thats what i assume for someone that isnt me cause i understand just fine

 

 

Also those older hedt platforms arent as simple since x79/99 apparently 125 strap yeilds better cpu oc and then theres ram oc but i havent done much research since i dont expect to have x79/99 in my possesion any time soon, limited research suggests ~2800 tops for sandy e and 4000 for ivy e which can be seen on hwbot

 

for fsb/bclk era ive mostly been focused on x58 and trying to push 3000+ ddr3, bclk oc is simple enough since you just need to set bclk, pcie freq to 115-130 depending on what the board is capable of, and adjust ram + uncore accordingly, bclk 200-220 for 45nm and 32nm, not really that interesting even if you enable slowmode and clock 260+ bclk. Ram freq is where it gets interesting since most amibios boards are trash and useless here due to forced uncore ratios so were looking at gigabyte and possibly evga + foxconn + dfi, bloomfield in my experience most cpus are capable of 3000 on air at 1.6-1.7v vtt but going past that is where things get interesting and you need to start binning cause my shittiest i7 does 3050 at 1.87v vtt and my best does 3184 at 1.87v vtt, other samples would be an i7 920 that does 3136 at 1.7v vtt (really doesnt like high vtt unfortunately) and an i7 950 that does 3000 1.6v (dunno why it wont go past this even with higher vtt). Gulftown seems to be able to do 3400+ but i have yet to test myself, i do have a w3680 finally on the way so ill get to testing soon, someones subbed 3400 on air with an i7 980x at only 1.54v vtt so im expecting quite abit over that since ill definitely be pushing 1.7v and beyond

[bal7]

11 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

nah theyre pretty simple

 

On amds side b650m hdv is the reference board, cheap, vrms can handle an oced 7950x, good i/o (6 rear 8 internal usb a + 1 rear 1 internal usbc for 14 usba + 2 usbc), and 10000+ ddr5 capability. Most boards above its price are only notable for extra i/o (mainly usb ports but can also be other stuff like pcie, wifi, etc.) And vrms (which are overkill anyway), extra 2 dimm slots are useless

 

1:1 uclk is target ram speed for ideal performance which is 6200-6400 but 6000 for convenience since >6000 defaults to 2:1, c30/32 will work just fine and either be hynix m/a die, c36+ is probably garbage samsung dies unless you buy from teamgroup where their 5600c46 elite kit is hynix a die (still 10000+ capable), if 6400c32 is cheaper than 6000c30/32 then go ahead since you can just manually set freq to 6000 after enabling xmp so effectively 6000c32 and guaranteed hynix a dies. Imc is capable of ~8000 tops with 2:1 uclk but performance gain is minor so kinda pointless for the effort put in unless you are ocing for fun but at that point you might aswell get an apu

 

b650 vs x670 is pointless especially b650e and x670e unless you wanna run multi gpu so just assume chipset doesnt matter if its between those 4 and b650 will suffice, avoid a620 like the plague cause those boards are dogshit and not futureproof (terrible vrms, i/o, no oc, etc.)

 

x3d chips have more cache which makes them the best gaming cpus, technically dont need anything more than a 4 heatpipe tower to cool due to insulating ihs and cache assuming you run stock, overclockable via eclk which is on boards like the b650e taichi lite or x670e-a/f at the low end, dunno how far non external clockgen boards can push bclk due to limited info but likely around 103

 

X chips are horribly tuned out of the box and draw way too much power so needs manual tuning so it doesnt run like shit

 

G chips are mobile apus stuck on an am5 substrate, imc is capable of around 10600-10800 for best samples and unsure of ideal ram freq but id suspect around 9000-10000 ddr5, igpu performs like a 1050 (8600g) or 1050ti (8700g) with slow ~6000 ddr5 so expect more with tuned 9000-10000 ddr5 and an oc, uses TIM instead of solder so expect 20-30c drop with liquid metal if you delid as shown in a der8auer video, pricing is very bad and cache is halved compared to the 7000 cpus (worse cpu performance) so better off just buying a 7600/7700(x) and a used rx 580 8gb

 

Non x/g chips are very well tuned out of the box and you can raise power limit to get extra performance due to stock power limit of 88w, 7700 and 7900 have the wraith prism which is more than adequate for stock and mild oc/power limit increase but the 7600 wraith stealth can be thrown in the trash =p

 

this is about as much as i know including some basic oc information, not really that complicated just looks intimidating atleast thats what i assume for someone that isnt me cause i understand just fine

 

 

Also those older hedt platforms arent as simple since x79/99 apparently 125 strap yeilds better cpu oc and then theres ram oc but i havent done much research since i dont expect to have x79/99 in my possesion any time soon, limited research suggests ~2800 tops for sandy e and 4000 for ivy e which can be seen on hwbot

 

for fsb/bclk era ive mostly been focused on x58 and trying to push 3000+ ddr3, bclk oc is simple enough since you just need to set bclk, pcie freq to 115-130 depending on what the board is capable of, and adjust ram + uncore accordingly, bclk 200-220 for 45nm and 32nm, not really that interesting even if you enable slowmode and clock 260+ bclk. Ram freq is where it gets interesting since most amibios boards are trash and useless here due to forced uncore ratios so were looking at gigabyte and possibly evga + foxconn + dfi, bloomfield in my experience most cpus are capable of 3000 on air at 1.6-1.7v vtt but going past that is where things get interesting and you need to start binning cause my shittiest i7 does 3050 at 1.87v vtt and my best does 3184 at 1.87v vtt, other samples would be an i7 920 that does 3136 at 1.7v vtt (really doesnt like high vtt unfortunately) and an i7 950 that does 3000 1.6v (dunno why it wont go past this even with higher vtt). Gulftown seems to be able to do 3400+ but i have yet to test myself, i do have a w3680 finally on the way so ill get to testing soon, someones subbed 3400 on air with an i7 980x at only 1.54v vtt so im expecting quite abit over that since ill definitely be pushing 1.7v and beyond

oh god, thats alot of info to handle

[bal7]

Just now, bal723 said:

oh god, thats alot of info to handle

also i think having more than 4 ports in i/o is very good, as i have only 4 blue ports and 2 black ones (i think its 2.1 and 1.0 usbs) but nothing works with 1.0 usbs nowdays