Upgrade Suggestion: Targeting a 4070 card from a 2070 SUPER

[kingfurykiller]

Good day LTT,

 

I am currently planning a major performance upgrade for my gaming PC. It currently has an i7-7700k and 2070 SUPER. I play at 1080p, aiming for 144hz (or 60hz on less competitive titles), and as much detail as possible without sacrificing FPS. While I play a variety of games (genre and age), several recent newer titles (Returnal, Spiderman, HZD, CS2, among others) have been unable to maintain FPS relevant to their genre and I would like to upgrade. I am fairly sold on the AMD 7800X3D on the CPU side (and 32GB of DDR5, up from my current 16GB), but for the GPU, I am less sure. Here are some of my thoughts:

 

• Budget: $500-$600. This is what I spent last time for my 2070 SUPER and I would like to stay in this price class this time. I am ok with used from a reputable seller.
• Resolution: 1080p. I am happy with my current monitor, and don't have any immediate plans to go to another resolution anytime soon. I may get a 4K TV but couch gaming will be limited to more casual titles over steamlink, so I am ok with less performance here.
• FPS: As close to 144hz as possible for all titles. I do like to play some faster-paced titles and I like smooth fast frames. 60 FPS minimum is my goal in non-competitive or fast-paced games.
• Detail level: Many recent games have required me to adjust the details noticeably low to maintain 60 FPS minimum.  I do use Ray Tracing where available
• Longevity: I am hoping to have this card remain viable for most titles (again, I'm not always playing the newest stuff, but having a variety) for ~4 yrs, which is seeming like my normal GPU upgrade cycle. CPU will likely stay for at least 5 years.
• Non-Gaming Usage: I don't do much rendering or productivity that hits the GPU, but I do regularly stream to twitch, currently on the nvenc encoder

 

To those ends, I am currently between one of the 4070 cards (base Super, TI, TI Super) or a used 3080/3080 TI. However, I am curious if you all would recommend any other options based on the above criteria.

 

Thank you in advance!

[jaslion]

6800xt and 7800xt are also VERY valid options as they are normally cheaper perform better than a 4070 and have 16gb of vram ehich will be important for longevity

[191x7]

33 minutes ago, kingfurykiller said:

Good day LTT,

 

I am currently planning a major performance upgrade for my gaming PC. It currently has an i7-7700k and 2070 SUPER. I play at 1080p, aiming for 144hz (or 60hz on less competitive titles), and as much detail as possible without sacrificing FPS. While I play a variety of games (genre and age), several recent newer titles (Returnal, Spiderman, HZD, CS2, among others) have been unable to maintain FPS relevant to their genre and I would like to upgrade. I am fairly sold on the AMD 7800X3D on the CPU side (and 32GB of DDR5, up from my current 16GB), but for the GPU, I am less sure. Here are some of my thoughts:

 

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If it has to be Nvidia, the RTX 4070 Super is a decent choice and I would not recommend a stronger GPU for 1080p since the CPU bottleneck, even with the 7800X3D, would be more than noticeable + a 4070S is way stronger than 144+ on 1080p for most games.

[kingfurykiller]

4 hours ago, jaslion said:

6800xt and 7800xt are also VERY valid options as they are normally cheaper perform better than a 4070 and have 16gb of vram ehich will be important for longevity

Absolutely; I've been very happy with the performance numbers that I keep seeing for them. The only reason why I'd want to stay with Nvidia is using Ray tracing on some newer titles and for the encoder for streaming

[kingfurykiller]

3 hours ago, 191x7 said:

If it has to be Nvidia, the RTX 4070 Super is a decent choice and I would not recommend a stronger GPU for 1080p since the CPU bottleneck, even with the 7800X3D, would be more than noticeable + a 4070S is way stronger than 144+ on 1080p for most games.

Got it. That's what I was thinking, so I appreciate the additional opinion

[jaslion]

20 minutes ago, kingfurykiller said:

Absolutely; I've been very happy with the performance numbers that I keep seeing for them. The only reason why I'd want to stay with Nvidia is using Ray tracing on some newer titles and for the encoder for streaming

Fyi amds new encoder is indistuinguishable from nvidia's basically. Side by side the best you can see now is like this one is a bit dimmer or more vibrant and whos it is is just random

 

As for ray tracing yup nvidia has an edge but even with a 4070 ti ray tracing isnt super doable without HEAVY dlss and a 60fps acceptance

[kingfurykiller]

8 hours ago, jaslion said:

Fyi amds new encoder is indistuinguishable from nvidia's basically. Side by side the best you can see now is like this one is a bit dimmer or more vibrant and whos it is is just random

 

As for ray tracing yup nvidia has an edge but even with a 4070 ti ray tracing isnt super doable without HEAVY dlss and a 60fps acceptance

This is super helpful, okay, I will search pricing on the AMD cards that you recommended as well