Which Gpu should i choose?

[Marthinusboi]

I'm building my first PC soon and want to know which GPU I should get.

 

Inno3D GeForce RTX 4060 TWIN X2 OC 8GB

MSI Ventus 2X OC GeForce RTX 3060 12GB

[Dr. Will0hlep]

What is the budget?

What other parts are you pairing it with?

What games do you play?

Do you care about raytracing?

Do you care about DLSS? (or is FSR good enough)

If you answered no to the DLSS and raytracing questions, you should be looking at AMD cards as they offer better bang for the buck in traditional rendering and more Vram which will mean the card will be relevant in the latest titles for much longer.

[Marthinusboi]

3 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

What is the budget?

What other parts are you pairing it with?

What games do you play?

Do you care about raytracing?

Do you care about DLSS?

The budget is 1000 dollars to 1100

 

I'm paring it with

    Intel Core i5-12600KF 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor

    Asus PRIME B660-PLUS D4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard 

    SeaSonic B12 BC 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply

    Corsair MP600 CORE XT 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive

     Deepcool CC560 ATX Mid Tower Case

 

I would want to play Cs2, Apex, Minecraft, Fortnite, Ark, Bluestacks, Warzone

 

I don't care about raytracing or Dlss

[Dr. Will0hlep]

Can you fit a RX6700XT or RX6800 into your budget?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8HBG3C/asrock-radeon-rx-6700-xt-12-gb-challenger-d-video-card-rx6700xt-cld-12g (about $300)

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Hg92FT/xfx-radeon-rx-6800-16-gb-speedster-swft-319-video-card-rx-68xlaqfd9 (about $400)

 

You probably need a better PSU though, 650W for the RX6700XT and 750W for the RX6800. The Thermaltake BM3 is currently at a good price:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XmNYcf/thermaltake-smart-bm3-650-w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-spd-0650mnfabu-3

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hDQKHx/thermaltake-smart-bm3-750-w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-spd-0750mnfabu-3

I'd also recommend saving a bit and getting a Crucial P3 instead of the Corsair MP600:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sw4Ycf/crucial-p3-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct1000p3ssd8

 

Finally, you've choose quite a pricey motherboard, is there any perticular reason for that?

[Marthinusboi]

3 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

Can you fit a RX6700XT or RX6800 into your budget?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8HBG3C/asrock-radeon-rx-6700-xt-12-gb-challenger-d-video-card-rx6700xt-cld-12g (about $300)

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Hg92FT/xfx-radeon-rx-6800-16-gb-speedster-swft-319-video-card-rx-68xlaqfd9 (about $400)

 

You probably need a better PSU though, 650W for the RX6700XT and 750W for the RX6800. The Thermaltake BM3 is currently at a good price:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XmNYcf/thermaltake-smart-bm3-650-w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-spd-0650mnfabu-3

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hDQKHx/thermaltake-smart-bm3-750-w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-spd-0750mnfabu-3

I'd also recommend saving a bit and getting a Crucial P3 instead of the Corsair MP600:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sw4Ycf/crucial-p3-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct1000p3ssd8

 

Finally, you've choose quite a pricey motherboard, is there any perticular reason for that?

I can maybe fit the RX6700XT because I'm buying my parts when black Friday is here so maybe some of my parts get discounted

But is amd GPU's similar to nivida?

 

 

The reason I choose a pricey motherboard is to future-proof it but there is probably other good future-proof motherboards out there 

[Dr. Will0hlep]

10 minutes ago, Marthinusboi said:

I can maybe fit the RX6700XT because I'm buying my parts when black Friday is here so maybe some of my parts get discounted

But is amd GPU's similar to nivida?

 

 

The reason I choose a pricey motherboard is to future-proof it but there is probably other good future-proof motherboards out there 

A pricer motherboard isn't future proofing now. Any LGA 1700 motherboard will run any 12th to 14th gen CPU. You should only spend more on motherboards if you want the features of more expensive boards (eg better I/O, more PCIe slots, more M.2 slots, better VRMs, Overclocking support, ect.).

 

Are there any motherboard features you need?

[Marthinusboi]

2 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

Are there any motherboard features you need?

Yeah, I just want 4 RAM slots, 2 m.2 slots and a reasonable I/O

[iGPR3]

25 minutes ago, Marthinusboi said:

I can maybe fit the RX6700XT because I'm buying my parts when black Friday is here so maybe some of my parts get discounted

But is amd GPU's similar to nivida?

 

 

The reason I choose a pricey motherboard is to future-proof it but there is probably other good future-proof motherboards out there 

There isn’t really any way to future proof a motherboard by getting a higher end one. When you upgrade your CPU you will need a new motherboard as long as it is newer than 14th gen. If you want to future proof, then i’d go with an amd ryzen 5 7600. The AM5 motherboard socket will be used for 4 years i believe, and intel 15th gen won’t even be supported on the motherboard youve chosen when it does release. I cant stress enough that 12th gen intel is not the way to go for futureproofing. 14th gen is a massive flop.

 

Link to my AM5 upgrade I myself did recently, you could opt for a cheaper mobo and less RAM, but I went with 32GB for futureproofing:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/iGPR3/saved/#view=JkJYXL

 

For GPUs, 99% of the time AMD has more VRAM and better performance for the price you pay, at least on their midrange cards. The 6700XT would be your best bet as the 6750XT is a very, very small improvement for the extra money. 6700XT would be a lot faster than 3060 or 4060, like 25-30% faster off the top of my head.

 

Edit: You said you wanted 2 M.2 slots in your previous comment - the motherboard I linked is one of the cheapest boards with 3 M.2 slots and 4 RAM slots.

Edited November 5, 2023 by iGPR3

[Dr. Will0hlep]

15 minutes ago, Marthinusboi said:

Yeah, I just want 4 RAM slots, 2 m.2 slots and a reasonable I/O

If you decide to stay with intel for CPUs, here is a list of LGA1700 motherboards that have 4 RAM slots, 2 m.2 slots.

DDR4: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#N=4,16&E=2,7&sort=price&s=40&mt=ddr4

DDR5: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#N=4,16&E=2,7&sort=price&s=40&mt=ddr5

 

7 minutes ago, iGPR3 said:

There isn’t really any way to future proof a motherboard by getting a higher end one. When you upgrade your CPU you will need a new motherboard as long as it is newer than 14th gen. If you want to future proof, then i’d go with an amd ryzen 5 7600. The AM5 motherboard socket will be used for 4 years i believe, and intel 15th gen won’t even be supported on the motherboard youve chosen when it does release. I cant stress enough that 12th gen intel is not the way to go for futureproofing. 14th gen is a massive flop.

This, however I should stress that AMD no longer have a perfect record when it comes to future upgrade paths for their CPU sockets. That said, LGA1700 is now dead (in terms of upgradability, which is certainly worse than AM5's slim chance of no upgradability), and you should definately atleast look into AM5.

[Supersonicwolfe]

26 minutes ago, Marthinusboi said:

But is amd GPU's similar to nivida?

Yes, they do better in raterlization since 6xxx vs 30xx which got Hardware Unboxed in trouble with Nvidia (Nvidia back paddled later )

 

Even Linus switched to a AMD GPU 7900XTX (4080 equivalent)

 

The only thing that is quite different is Ray Tracing performance AMD is 1 generation behind, and on top of that no DLSS (FSR 2.0 is not bad) and AMD's new Fluid Motion (DLSS 3 equivalent )is going to be available to 6xxx and 7xxx cards (DLSS 3.0 is only available on 40xx cards on Nvidia side)

[Supersonicwolfe]

53 minutes ago, Marthinusboi said:

The reason I choose a pricey motherboard is to future-proof it but there is probably other good future-proof motherboards out there 

This was only true-ish on early AM4 motherboards. As earlier A320/B350 boards don't have powerful enough VRM to support later CPU like 5950, hence AMD didn't want support them for upgrade to 5*** series. (then community backlash and in the end AMD allowed it)

(Now, a X370 board can support 5800X3D, which is on par with latest 7700X, a 2017 motherboard supporting a 2022 CPU)

 

For intel, you pretty much have to get a new board for a new generation (Intel used to tic-tok where there will be a new-gen and a refresh, so 8th and 9th can do the same board). The current boards are pretty much dead end, don't expect 15th gen will be comparable. It's almost a merical 14th gen works on the same board but it's a massive flop and not worthy a new gen name... (12th and 13th use the same board is kind of expected)

 

There are other reason to go with higher-end board, like you want particular features, ports, or even just you have extra cash.

But if you want future proof?

AM5 B650 or X670 class boards are the best bet.

 

[Marthinusboi]

27 minutes ago, iGPR3 said:

If you want to future proof, then i’d go with an amd ryzen 5 7600.

Is amd cpu's better for gaming 

 

I see the one you mentioned is 6 cores 

 

and the one I may be going for is 10 cores (intel)

[Supersonicwolfe]

36 minutes ago, Marthinusboi said:

Yeah, I just want 4 RAM slots, 2 m.2 slots and a reasonable I/O

Most boards today have those, you probably should consider other feature, like 2.5G lan, duel ethernet, WIfi 6E/7, how many USB/SATA ports you want

As long as you don't pick the cheapest (e.g. Gigabyte UD maybe even Gaming, MSI Pro, Asus Pro maybe even Prime)

[Shailesh Vats]

1 hour ago, Marthinusboi said:

I'm building my first PC soon and want to know which GPU I should get.

 

Inno3D GeForce RTX 4060 TWIN X2 OC 8GB

MSI Ventus 2X OC GeForce RTX 3060 12GB

i made a build for around 1000$ similar to you with the help of some good members of this community 

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Cortex04/saved/ByNbpg

this was the final build we agreed on

you can ask anything about this build and i will try to answer

[Dr. Will0hlep]

2 minutes ago, Marthinusboi said:

Is amd cpu's better for gaming 

 

I see the one you mentioned is 6 cores 

 

and the one I may be going for is 10 cores (intel)

10 cores is deceptive, some of those cores are e-cores and some are p-cores. e-cores only have 1 thread, while p-cores are more powerful and have 2 threads.

 

Also, the number of cores isn't too important past a certain point. Once you have 6/8 cores adding more won't do much for your gaming performance.

[Supersonicwolfe]

2 minutes ago, Marthinusboi said:

Is amd cpu's better for gaming 

 

I see the one you mentioned is 6 cores 

 

and the one I may be going for is 10 cores (intel)

The 10 cores are not all the same, they have Performance core and efficiency cores, and the latter do nothing in a gaming situation.

 

And AMD don't have that difference, all their core are the same. (Funny AMD CPU still run more cooler/efficient than Intel...)

 

a 7600X3D, 7800x3d are best for the gaming now with intel trying to catch up.

 

[jaslion]

3 minutes ago, Marthinusboi said:

Is amd cpu's better for gaming 

 

I see the one you mentioned is 6 cores 

 

and the one I may be going for is 10 cores (intel)

Gaming wise the 7600 is faster as it has better single core performance

 

The 10 cores is also a split of performance cores and efficiency cores. So they are not the same

 

 

[Dr. Will0hlep]

1 minute ago, Shailesh Vats said:

i made a build for around 1000$ similar to you with the help of some good members of this community 

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Cortex04/saved/ByNbpg

this was the final build we agreed on

you can ask anything about this build and i will try to answer

I think you could save a bit on the SSD (Cruical P3 would still be my pick atm), but it is a good build.

[Shailesh Vats]

13 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

I think you could save a bit on the SSD (Cruical P3 would still be my pick atm), but it is a good build.

the reason why i picked this over p3 

its a pcie gen3 nvme drive

crucial p3 (1tb) is selling for 50$ here in india

read and write speed is (3500 / 3000 mb/s)

with 220 tbw 

and for 70$ i can get kc3000

which is pcie gen 4

 with 800tbw

7000 read and 6000write speed, dram(although it will not help me much)

and much better memory controller

and i will probably not gonna upgrade my storage any time soon as that mobo have a pcie gen5 nvme support

 

[Supersonicwolfe]

15 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

I think you could save a bit on the SSD (Cruical P3 would still be my pick atm), but it is a good build.

I would not go with P3, as it does not have DRAM cache, so not suitable for system drive, ok for a secondary drive. P5 would be better.

 

Crucial only make the NAND, they don't make the controller (which is by Phison) so the performance is pretty much the same as others like WD, Adata, Kingston...

 

WDBlack (Soon Sandisk), Samsung (which makes their own NAND and controoler) are still better

[Dr. Will0hlep]

10 minutes ago, Shailesh Vats said:

the reason why i picked this over p3 

crucial p3 (1tb) is selling for 50$ here in india

read and write speed is (3500 / 3000 mb/s)

with 220 tbw 

and for 70$ i can get kc3000

 with 800tbw

7000 read and 6000write speed, dram(although it will not help me much)

and much better memory controller

The tbw is a good reason to go for that drive and probably makes it worth it.

 

But you should know that if all your doing is gaming, faster claimed read writes speed should be ignored cause they are sequential not random (gaming is mostly random reads), and the difference between different NVMe drives in random speeds are pretty minimal.

 

But yeah, with reliability like that (provided it has the warranty to back it up) it sounds like a great value

[Dr. Will0hlep]

1 minute ago, Supersonicwolfe said:

I would not go with P3, as it does not have DRAM cache, so not suitable for system drive, ok for a secondary drive. P5 would be better.

 

Crucial only make the NAND, they don't make the controller (which is by Phison) so the performance is pretty much the same as others like WD, Adata, Kingston...

 

WDBlack (Soon Sandisk), Samsung (which makes their own NAND and controoler) are still better

Isn't this advice outdated now.

 

Given that DRAM cache's main job is to speed up writing to the drive, it's not actually doing much of use unless you frequently make huge writes to the drive. I'm aware it is also used to speed up retriveal of data, but last I checked this was pretty negligiable (in terms of what a person notices).

[Supersonicwolfe]

13 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

Isn't this advice outdated now.

 

Given that DRAM cache's main job is to speed up writing to the drive, it's not actually doing much of use unless you frequently make huge writes to the drive. I'm aware it is also used to speed up retriveal of data, but last I checked this was pretty negligiable (in terms of what a person notices).

Not really, it depends on usecase

On top of buffering, the DRAM is also used to store lookup tables so SSD controller can go fetch the file block. For DRAM less SSD, they are copied to system RAM when booting up. So both read and write slows down (additional latency caused by SSD have to go to CPU to then go to the RAM to get the information, rather straight to it's own DRAM). This information is synced and written back into the SSD when system shut down, but may cause data loss during a unsafe shutdown (hence it's not great if you have to hard reset a PC with SSD or have black-out), some SSD have capacitors just big enough to dump this information while DRAM-Less SSD...yeah, not possiable

 

A DRAM-Less SSD might be ok for daily use but used as the only drive in system? Not going to be great, especially with games constantly loading assets.

 

Plus DRAM-less SSD tend to have shorter TBW rating.

[Dr. Will0hlep]

Just now, Supersonicwolfe said:

Plus DRAM-less SSD tend to have shorter TBW rating.

This is an angle I hadn't thought about tbf.

[venomtail]

3060 cause in some games the 4060 drops near the 3060 range. If I had a choice tho I'd go with AMD with something like a 6700/XT.