Buying PC for games

[whasthastdugedacht]

Budget (including currency): I'm flexible but don't want to overpay for performance, which I will never need.

Country: Germany(Poland)
Monitors: 2 monitors, 1920x1080 or 2560x1440, I not decided yet. I can buy a second Zowie XL2411p 144hz 1080p TN 24' for 75 euros. Or x2 new LG IPS 144hz 27', for 450 euro. I don't have experience with 1440p, does it feel much better?

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: CS2, Path of Exile, Red Dead Redemption 2, Cyberpunk 2077, The Witcher 3, Death Stranding. 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc). I have peripherals. I will buy in Poland, you can use German PcPartPicker. 

Hi everyone! 
I was happy with my i5 8600, 1060 6 GB, 16 GB ram, it was ok for six years. Now I moved and left my old pc for my parents, so I want to buy a new one.
I work from home so that it will be working for 10-12 hours every day. My room is not huge, and I don't want it to be crazy hot(it was with my old pc, Zalman z9 neo plus, cnpsx performa), without overpaying, it's optional
I don't want to upgrade my new PC in the next five years at least. I'm not playing every new title, and it shouldn't be the best gaming pc for all games that will come out in the next five years, especially with current optimization. I can upgrade the CPU and GPU over time, so other parts should be ready for it. I don't want to upgrade everything, including the motherboard power supply so that these parts will work for a long time. Cheaper = better. I don't know how long I will be playing games or if I will play any new games, maybe I will stick to CS2, PoE, Dota, and League, so I need 100+ fps in these games.

My thoughts right now:
CPU: Im thinking about 12400f for budget, 7800X3D for non-budget (160$ for i5, 460$ for ryzen), i7 13700k(460$)
RAM: 32gb cl16 3200 DDR4 for budget, 32gb cl36 6000 for Ryzen (70$ for ddr4, 140$ for ddr5)
CPU Cooler: peerless assassin for budget, noctua nh-d15 for ryzen (40$ and 120$)
GPU: I will buy used GPU, but I need advice which should I go for. 3080 / 3070ti / 6800xt (3080 and 6800xt ~450$)
Motherboard: I have no clue for intel B760(I heard that M models have poor CPU power supply and better go for ATX), what should I look at when Im choosing motherboard pci express 5.0, ram sockets? (b760 ~150$, AM5 ~280$)
Case: I will go for cheap one, with 3-4 built-in fans. (50$)
SSD: 1 or 2 TB m2  6000-7000 speed(50-100$)
Powersupply: beQuiet system power 10 850w 80 PLUS GOLD(its on sale rn, 90$)

[bobby3dse]

I think the 12400f is a solid CPU, you could also go Ryzen 5000 which might be cheaper than AM5 because it's been around for a bit. Maybe the 5600X or 5700X. Instead of 32GB of RAM, which unless you really need, 16GB would be much cheaper. If you do go Ryzen, I would spend more on a 3200 or 3600MHz kit. Peerless assassin would be a pretty good choice, you could also go for a Hyper 212. If you're going to go for a 12400f, a good GPU would be around a 3060/3060ti/3070 or rx 6700/6700xt. I got my 3070 used on ebay for $270 US.

As for the motherboard, a B660 for Intel (Go DDR4) and for ryzen 5000, a b450/b550 would be a good bet. PCIe 5.0 isn't too important right now for this scenario. I think your power supply choice is decent, and if you don't end up going with it, I'd recommend getting at least a 600/650W and at least 80 plus bronze, ideally 80 plus gold.

[whasthastdugedacht]

2 minutes ago, bobby3dse said:

I think the 12400f is a solid CPU, you could also go Ryzen 5000 which might be cheaper than AM5 because it's been around for a bit. Maybe the 5600X or 5700X. Instead of 32GB of RAM, which unless you really need, 16GB would be much cheaper. If you do go Ryzen, I would spend more on a 3200 or 3600MHz kit. Peerless assassin would be a pretty good choice, you could also go for a Hyper 212. If you're going to go for a 12400f, a good GPU would be around a 3060/3060ti/ rx 6700/6700xt. 

As for the motherboard, a B660 for Intel (Go DDR4) and for ryzen 5000, a b450/b550 would be a good bet. PCIe 5.0 isn't too important right now for this scenario. I think your power supply choice is decent, and if you don't end up going with it, I'd recommend getting at least a 600/650W and at least 80 plus bronze, ideally 80 plus gold.

Thank you very much!
Due to my work, I have browser open all time, at least 5 tabs. At my old PC, RAM was always almost full like 13gb used.
Difference between B660 and B760 both ATX is 10$, should I go for B760? 
i5 12400f + b760 + 16gb ddr4 + 3060ti + everything else = 900$ If Im okay to spend more on this build, should I buy better GPU,  more RAM?

[bobby3dse]

2 minutes ago, whasthastdugedacht said:

Thank you very much!
Due to my work, I have browser open all time, at least 5 tabs. At my old PC, RAM was always almost full like 13gb used.
Difference between B660 and B760 both ATX is 10$, should I go for B760? 
i5 12400f + b760 + 16gb ddr4 + 3060ti + everything else = 900$ If Im okay to spend more on this build, should I buy better GPU,  more RAM?

Different chipsets usually don't affect performance, so in this case, just save the $10. If you think you'll actually need more than 16GB of ram, then spend more on that. I see you chose 12400f, so you could go for a 3000/3200 or even 3600mhz kit, although it's not as important to spend more on a higher frequency on an intel platform as it is on AMD. 

[bobby3dse]

Just now, bobby3dse said:

Different chipsets usually don't affect performance, so in this case, just save the $10. If you think you'll actually need more than 16GB of ram, then spend more on that. I see you chose 12400f, so you could go for a 3000/3200 or even 3600mhz kit, although it's not as important to spend more on a higher frequency on an intel platform as it is on AMD. 

Unless the b760 motherboard has different I/O that you prefer, go for the b660. Make sure you pay attention to the I/O on both, so you make sure you get what you need.

[whasthastdugedacht]

4 minutes ago, bobby3dse said:

Unless the b760 motherboard has different I/O that you prefer, go for the b660. Make sure you pay attention to the I/O on both, so you make sure you get what you need.

Which I/O are the most important? Is it ok, if there will be x1 displayport and x1 HDMI, so I will use 1 monitor through HDMI and the second through displayport?

GPU brands, should I stick with MSI, Gigabyte, ASUS or any other are ok too?

[bobby3dse]

Just now, whasthastdugedacht said:

Which I/O are the most important? Is it ok, if there will be x1 displayport and x1 HDMI, so I will use 1 monitor through HDMI and the second through displayport?

GPU brands, should I stick with MSI, Gigabyte, ASUS or any other are ok too?

It really depends on what you need. For ethernet, gigabit should be enough. USB usually isn't too much of a problem. You'll get your display connections from your GPU, so don't worry about the motherboard for that one. For me, I don't have a preference for GPU board partners. I personally have several cards from MSI though. Back to the GPU I/O, a 3060 Ti usually has 3 display port and 1 HDMI connections on the card.

[QuantumSingularity]

1 hour ago, whasthastdugedacht said:

Monitors: 2 monitors, 1920x1080 or 2560x1440, I not decided yet. I can buy a second Zowie XL2411p 144hz 1080p TN 24' for 75 euros. Or x2 new LG IPS 144hz 27', for 450 euro. I don't have experience with 1440p, does it feel much better?

As far as DPI goes, 24" 1080p vs 27" 1440p the difference in picture detail won't be that much. However if you have a 27" 1080p and move to 1440p on the same size, the difference is night and day. Same with TN vs IPS. And once you fire it up, you will be constantly asking yourself how you've lived with 24" up until now. 

As to the rest of the build - if you are going DDR4... just don't. Go with DDR5. Something like this:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€402.88 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (€38.29 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: ASRock B650M Pro RS Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€157.39 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€128.90 @ Alza) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€114.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: XFX Speedster MERC 319 Black Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB Video Card  (€559.00 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Phanteks Eclipse G300A (3 Fan) ATX Mid Tower Case  (€77.89 @ Caseking) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  (€123.41 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €1602.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-10-10 21:33 CEST+0200

 

GPU-wise - depending on your 2nd hand market, either go with the new 7800XT or go straight for 6900XT/6950XT 2nd hand. The 6800XT/3080Ti in most cases is not worth the savings of €100 compared to the latest gen. IF you can find 3080/6800XT for less than €300, it's an ok choice, otherwise go for the 7800XT.

Idk why, but the prices of the hardware in Germany are atrocious right now. I mean €400+ for 7800X3D... €129 for the 6000 MHz CL30 Trident Z Neo.. €115 for the p5....

 

 

[whasthastdugedacht]

3 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

As far as DPI goes, 24" 1080p vs 27" 1440p the difference in picture detail won't be that much. However if you have a 27" 1080p and move to 1440p on the same size, the difference is night and day. Same with TN vs IPS. And once you fire it up, you will be constantly asking yourself how you've lived with 24" up until now. 

As to the rest of the build - if you are going DDR4... just don't. Go with DDR5. Something like this:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€402.88 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (€38.29 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: ASRock B650M Pro RS Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€157.39 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€128.90 @ Alza) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€114.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: XFX Speedster MERC 319 Black Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB Video Card  (€559.00 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Phanteks Eclipse G300A (3 Fan) ATX Mid Tower Case  (€77.89 @ Caseking) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  (€123.41 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €1602.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-10-10 21:33 CEST+0200

 

GPU-wise - depending on your 2nd hand market, either go with the new 7800XT or go straight for 6900XT/6950XT 2nd hand. The 6800XT/3080Ti in most cases is not worth the savings of €100 compared to the latest gen. IF you can find 3080/6800XT for less than €300, it's an ok choice, otherwise go for the 7800XT.

 

Yeah, I used 27', I bought 27' IPS for my ex-gf and its much much better
Im using this site to compare GPU, CPU. Its says, that 6800xt have the same perfomance as 7800xt in 1080p, 1440p, is it a mistake? https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
Thank you for your build and your advice!

[QuantumSingularity]

6 minutes ago, whasthastdugedacht said:

Yeah, I used 27', I bought 27' IPS for my ex-gf and its much much better
Im using this site to compare GPU, CPU. Its says, that 6800xt have the same perfomance as 7800xt in 1080p, 1440p, is it a mistake? https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
Thank you for your build and your advice!

It's not a mistake, but the 6800XT is the last gen. IT won't have the driver performance headroom the 7800XT has. Also some new features like HYPR-X or however AMD spell that shet.. Also also - a lot of people bought their 6800XTs for €900+ and aren't willing to let them go for less than €450. And that's just insane. The top 2nd hand price of that GPU should be €300. Anything more than that simply isn't worth the savings over a brand new 7800XT. I mean almost a year ago i bought a 6900XT which from today has exactly 1 year of warranty remaining for just €490. Some people are asking more for 6800XTs w/o warranty...

[whasthastdugedacht]

3 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

It's not a mistake, but the 6800XT is the last gen. IT won't have the driver performance headroom the 7800XT has. Also some new features like HYPR-X or however AMD spell that shet.. Also also - a lot of people bought their 6800XTs for €900+ and aren't willing to let them go for less than €450. And that's just insane. The top 2nd hand price of that GPU should be €300. Anything more than that simply isn't worth the savings over a brand new 7800XT.

Ok, I will keep that in mind. I asked, cause I have no experience with AMD GPU, I was using nvidia since gtx660)