Upgrade to 5800x3D???

[Woolfie16]

Budget (including currency): N/A

Country: UK

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: AAA and indie gaming mostly single player titles at 4K

 

Existing specs

Ryzen 7 2700x

Gigabyte 3080

32GB DDR4

 

Hi everyone! (first post here)

Pretty simple straight forward one here. Considering upgrading the 2700x in my system to a 5800X3D and just checking if people think it's worthwhile? Not ready to take the leap to AM5 for a while yet i think. Obviously it's a far superior CPU but as I'm gaming at 4K I'm unsure how much extra performance i can expect as I'm aware that higher resolutions are more GPU intensive (at least that's my understanding feel free to correct me!)

 

[thevictor390]

Yes it's honestly a great time to "max out" the AM4 platform and get some more life out of it. Could consider a 5600X(3D) or 5800X if you want to spend less, they'd still be nice upgrades.

[Agall]

1 minute ago, Woolfie16 said:

Budget (including currency): N/A

Country: UK

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: AAA and indie gaming mostly single player titles at 4K

 

Existing specs

Ryzen 7 2700x

Gigabyte 3080

32GB DDR4

 

Hi everyone! (first post here)

Pretty simple straight forward one here. Considering upgrading the 2700x in my system to a 5800X3D and just checking if people think it's worthwhile? Not ready to take the leap to AM5 for a while yet i think. Obviously it's a far superior CPU but as I'm gaming at 4K I'm unsure how much extra performance i can expect as I'm aware that higher resolutions are more GPU intensive (at least that's my understanding feel free to correct me!)

 

Depends on your motherboard. It might not be worth putting more money in an obsolescent platform like AM4 than just purchasing AM5 or LGA 1700 parts instead.

[191x7]

If you're on 4K and not extremely competitive, the 5700X is the value option.

If you plan on upgrading the GPU soon, while keeping the 5800X3D, get the 5800X3D.

But if you plan on keeping the 3080 and replacing it with the next platform upgrade, get the 5700X.

Not a huge difference on 4K between a 5700X and a 5800X3D.

[Fasauceome]

4 minutes ago, Woolfie16 said:

Existing specs

Ryzen 7 2700x

Gigabyte 3080

32GB DDR4

What motherboard? Older boards like X370 might only have a beta/unstable BIOS for compatibility. If you have something fancy like an X570 board it's an easy yes from me. Also any of the high end or more recent X470/B450 models

[Hinjima]

3 minutes ago, Woolfie16 said:

Budget (including currency): N/A

Country: UK

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: AAA and indie gaming mostly single player titles at 4K

 

Existing specs

Ryzen 7 2700x

Gigabyte 3080

32GB DDR4

 

Hi everyone! (first post here)

Pretty simple straight forward one here. Considering upgrading the 2700x in my system to a 5800X3D and just checking if people think it's worthwhile? Not ready to take the leap to AM5 for a while yet i think. Obviously it's a far superior CPU but as I'm gaming at 4K I'm unsure how much extra performance i can expect as I'm aware that higher resolutions are more GPU intensive (at least that's my understanding feel free to correct me!)

 

I think if you have a good enough motherboard, slapping in an 5800X3D is worth it if you can get it for a decent price.
At 4k it does extremely well, basically the same performance as the 7800X3D.
Check this video out, skip through the gaming benchmarks to get an idea

Upgrading to AM5 takes a new motherboard, RAM and CPU. And at 4k you can get exactly the same performance with the 5800X3D.  Just slap in a faster GPU and you are good to go!

 

[Woolfie16]

1 minute ago, Fasauceome said:

What motherboard? Older boards like X370 might only have a beta/unstable BIOS for compatibility. If you have something fancy like an X570 board it's an easy yes from me. Also any of the high end or more recent X470/B450 models

Still unpacking from moving house so can't find my mobo box but i think its a b450f off the top of my head

[Fasauceome]

3 minutes ago, Woolfie16 said:

Still unpacking from moving house so can't find my mobo box but i think its a b450f off the top of my head

Strix B450F should support the 5800X3D just fine, so I would say it's definitely worth considering for the right price. 

 

Don't forget that this CPU benefits from a modest undervolt

[Agall]

8 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

If you're on 4K and not extremely competitive, the 5700X is the value option.

If you plan on upgrading the GPU soon, while keeping the 5800X3D, get the 5800X3D.

But if you plan on keeping the 3080 and replacing it with the next platform upgrade, get the 5700X.

Not a huge difference on 4K between a 5700X and a 5800X3D.

That's not entirely true. Plenty of games don't care about what resolution you're at, even if you're mostly GPU bound. For the games OP lists, those indie games might benefit from having the extra L3 cache since they might be terribly optimized for proper multicore. 

[QuantumSingularity]

16 minutes ago, Woolfie16 said:

Budget (including currency): N/A

Country: UK

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: AAA and indie gaming mostly single player titles at 4K

 

Existing specs

Ryzen 7 2700x

Gigabyte 3080

32GB DDR4

 

Hi everyone! (first post here)

Pretty simple straight forward one here. Considering upgrading the 2700x in my system to a 5800X3D and just checking if people think it's worthwhile? Not ready to take the leap to AM5 for a while yet i think. Obviously it's a far superior CPU but as I'm gaming at 4K I'm unsure how much extra performance i can expect as I'm aware that higher resolutions are more GPU intensive (at least that's my understanding feel free to correct me!)

 

I changed my 2700X with 3700X then to 5600X and each time there was massive gain, but when i switched to 5800X3D my mind was actually blown away. Haven't regretted that decision for a single moment over the 18 months i've had it for. It works perfectly fine on B450 mobo, you simply need to upgrade the BIOS before dropping in the CPU. 

And as for 4k gaming - it will for sure help A LOT. Even with my 5600X i was exclusively GPU bound by my old GTX 1070 (basically the 5600x was staying under 15% load all the time) and when i switched to the 5800X3D, no matter that i was still GPU bound, my FPS jumped significantly. 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Used 5800x3d go for 200-250£, used 5800(x) go for around 150£, used 5600(x) go <100$, usually around the 80-90£ range, atleast those are the prices ive seen on uk fb marketplace

 

If you want a stop gap and plan on upgrading in a year problably a used 5600(x) due to how cheap they are, just allcore oc to 4.7-4.8ghz and itll do pretty well

 

If you plan to keep the build abit longer then the 5800x3d is also a good choice

[Woolfie16]

4 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Used 5800x3d go for 200-250£, used 5800(x) go for around 150£, used 5600(x) go <100$, usually around the 80-90£ range, atleast those are the prices ive seen on uk fb marketplace

 

If you want a stop gap and plan on upgrading in a year problably a used 5600(x) due to how cheap they are, just allcore oc to 4.7-4.8ghz and itll do pretty well

 

If you plan to keep the build abit longer then the 5800x3d is also a good choice

I can get a new 5800x3d for £277 on amazon at the moment which seems a pretty decent price

[Woolfie16]

10 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

I changed my 2700X with 3700X then to 5600X and each time there was massive gain, but when i switched to 5800X3D my mind was actually blown away. Haven't regretted that decision for a single moment over the 18 months i've had it for. It works perfectly fine on B450 mobo, you simply need to upgrade the BIOS before dropping in the CPU. 

And as for 4k gaming - it will for sure help A LOT. Even with my 5600X i was exclusively GPU bound by my old GTX 1070 (basically the 5600x was staying under 15% load all the time) and when i switched to the 5800X3D, no matter that i was still GPU bound, my FPS jumped significantly. 

Ahh yes the BIOS upgrade....that is something i have not done before. Any helpful advice/guides for that?!

[QuantumSingularity]

Edit: wrong topic:

[191x7]

11 minutes ago, Agall said:

That's not entirely true. Plenty of games don't care about what resolution you're at, even if you're mostly GPU bound. For the games OP lists, those indie games might benefit from having the extra L3 cache since they might be terribly optimized for proper multicore. 

I went from a 1600X to a 3600, then a 5900X and recently to a 5800X3D. I have some experience with the 5800x3d and a card stronger than the 3080. On a lower resolution than 4K (a lower resolution means the need for a higher framerate from the CPU).

[Hinjima]

3 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

AMD will get you MUCH more performance for that money:

 

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Motherboard: ASRock B650M Pro RS WiFi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€169.96 @ Amazon France) 
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Why do you want him to spend 1400 bucks when he can get the 5800X3D for 277 bucks and get exactly the same gaming performance at 4k?
Getting the 5800X3D and then maybe a 4080 or 7900XTX  is the best option for him at 4k.

[Woolfie16]

2 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

Why do you want him to spend 1400 bucks when he can get the 5800X3D for 277 bucks and get exactly the same gaming performance at 4k?
Getting the 5800X3D and then maybe a 4080 or 7900XTX  is the best option for him at 4k.

Yeah absolutely not looking to build a whole new rig right now. Just looking for the best CPU upgrade to the current system to run for maybe a couple years max when i will move to AM5

[Hinjima]

4 minutes ago, Woolfie16 said:

Yeah absolutely not looking to build a whole new rig right now. Just looking for the best CPU upgrade to the current system to run for maybe a couple years max when i will move to AM5

5800X3D will be your best option that will last you a couple more years at 4k in my opinion.  Slap in a new GPU whenever you want and off you go for another 4+ years, thought the 3080 is quite a good card as well.
277 bucks for ' the best gaming cpu for 4k' aint bad at all.

I can also help you with the BIOS update if you want, as long as you have a USB flash drive thats 1GB or more. EZPZ!

[thevictor390]

12 minutes ago, Woolfie16 said:

Ahh yes the BIOS upgrade....that is something i have not done before. Any helpful advice/guides for that?!

Just follow the instructions on the websites, in my cases with an Asus B350 I put it on a flash drive and ran the update from the BIOS itself. There was even an internet download option in-bios but I don't use wired Internet.

[GuiltySpark_]

28 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

 used 5600(x) due to how cheap they are, just allcore oc to 4.7-4.8ghz

Who's actually doing this on modern Ryzen. I'm assuming you're talking a manual static overclock? In 2023? 

[Queen Chrysalis]

It depends. 

• What is the refresh rate of your monitor/TV? 
• Are your games hitting that refresh rate?
• If not, is your GPU's utilization at or above 95%?

If no to the last two, and upgrade to a 5600 would be worthwhile.  If yes to question 2, probably not.

[Woolfie16]

OK thanks everyone! Very helpful and imformative. Basically seems that the answer to my core question is 'yes the performance upgrade is worth having' so I'm gonna go for it and hopefully that will keep me set until I'm readyvto drop a big fat pile of cash on a platform upgrade!

[QuantumSingularity]

41 minutes ago, Woolfie16 said:

Ahh yes the BIOS upgrade....that is something i have not done before. Any helpful advice/guides for that?!

You download the latest BIOS from the manufacturer site of your mobo, upload it to a flash drive (if the file is archived you have to extract it), reboot system, go into your BIOS (F2 or DEL mashing), then somewhere in the last menus there should be BIOS update, it should automatically find the file and let you chose it and you just wait. The only imperative is to NOT LET your PC be shutdown until the update is complete. Shutting it down before the flash is complete has 99.9% chance of killing your mobo. The only way to bring it back to life after that is through manually reprogramming the chip.  

[Woolfie16]

14 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

You download the latest BIOS from the manufacturer site of your mobo, upload it to a flash drive (if the file is archived you have to extract it), reboot system, go into your BIOS (F2 or DEL mashing), then somewhere in the last menus there should be BIOS update, it should automatically find the file and let you chose it and you just wait. The only imperative is to NOT LET your PC be shutdown until the update is complete. Shutting it down before the flash is complete has 99.9% chance of killing your mobo. The only way to bring it back to life after that is through manually reprogramming the chip.  

Perfect. Thank you very much! Should i have the new chip in already or update the BIOS first then make the switch??

[Agall]

1 hour ago, 191x7 said:

I went from a 1600X to a 3600, then a 5900X and recently to a 5800X3D. I have some experience with the 5800x3d and a card stronger than the 3080. On a lower resolution than 4K (a lower resolution means the need for a higher framerate from the CPU).

I went from a 3950x to 5800x3D with a 6900 XT at 4K, but I've also tested an R5 7600, 12100f, 4790k, and i5 13500 with various hardware configurations, although those games are ones that particularly benefit from 3D v-cache and the best single threaded performance.

 

It really depends on the games, AAA games with good multicore optimization don't care as much, but at any point if its handshaking with a server for player positions and/or other draw calls, the higher the IPC/frequency/cache the better it will be for minimum framerates. You could still be limited by the server and/or latency, however, something that's occurring in Diablo 4 quite heavily with 120 fps limits in some areas (from my speculation).