First pc build

[LongLifeSpongeBoy]

Budget (including currency): 600€

Country: Germany

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Basic stuff

 

Is this a decent build?

Ryzen 5 3600

Thermalright King 120 SE

XFX Rx6600

B550m aorus elite

Lexar nm710 1TB M.2 SSD

Teamgroup T-Force Culcan Z 16GB CL18-22-22-42

Evga GQ750W Gold Psu

Case: still looking for one. Not too fancy and no rgb if possible. Would love recommendation.

 

Whole setup without case costs 560€.

 

[podkall]

8 minutes ago, LongLifeSpongeBoy said:

Is this a decent build?

are you okay with sharing what exactly you plan to do with your new PC?

 

 

[LongLifeSpongeBoy]

Just basic stuff. Work and browsing. Sometimes some gaming like R6 Siege. Thats it

[Queen Chrysalis]

yeah, that'll play everything pretty damn well.

 

Maybe a bit much on the PSU, but if you did a GPU upgrade to like a 6800xt in the future the PSU would be fine for that.

 

Otherwise this looks great, you'll enjoy it.  Might be a bit overkill on the motherboard too, a basic one with enough ports and the features you need will be plenty for a 3600.  I guess it depends on how much that motherboard costs.

 

For case, just go with whatever look nice to you and is cheap.  This system won;t get very hot, but it never hurts to get a case that includes at least two fans and has some good ventilation in the front for air to come in easily.

[podkall]

2 minutes ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

Otherwise this looks great, you'll enjoy it.  Might be a bit overkill on the motherboard too, a basic one with enough ports and the features you need will be plenty for a 3600.  I guess it depends on how much that motherboard costs.

I'm wondering the CPU/GPU balance, cuz the GPU is like 1080 GTX level, though for R6 you won't need too much CPU power either

[Queen Chrysalis]

1 minute ago, podkall said:

I'm wondering the CPU/GPU balance, cuz the GPU is like 1080 GTX level, though for R6 you won't need too much CPU power either

I mean, balance is out the window here.  The 6600 is plenty for any game if you're not pushing super high framerates or 4k, and the 3600 can play R6 plenty fast.  They're both very cost-effective parts, and anything cheaper would only be a little cheaper for major performance loss.

[Why_Me]

https://geizhals.de/amd-ryzen-5-5600-100-100000927box-a2709114.html 

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 €131,80  

 

[Queen Chrysalis]

1 minute ago, Why_Me said:

https://geizhals.de/amd-ryzen-5-5600-100-100000927box-a2709114.html 

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 €131,80  

 

 

Not really relevant.  Those benchmarks are with a 3090 uncapped.  IDK if OP is even using a gaming monitor (they don;t game much) nad the GPU is gonna be a 6600.  Then again, not sure on prices.  I wouldn't;'t spend more than an extra 15e on the 5600 fo r this use case, though.

[PC HEROES]

16 minutes ago, LongLifeSpongeBoy said:

Just basic stuff. Work and browsing. Sometimes some gaming like R6 Siege. Thats it

Hello, I was able to put this together for you. Please Don't get the Ryzen 5 3600. They are not very good anymore as they have been known to fail and just die out recently.

 

The PC Case that I picked has 4 Fans installed already so you won't need any extras.

 

I have been building PCs for 30 years so if you have any questions please ask.

 

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/bTrXsh

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 4500 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€78.78 @ Mindfactory)
Motherboard: MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€80.35 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (€38.45 @ Mindfactory)
Storage: Lexar NM710 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€49.36 @ Mindfactory)
Video Card: ASRock Challenger D Radeon RX 6600 8 GB Video Card  (€207.99 @ Mindfactory)
Case: ENDORFY Regnum 400 Air ATX Mid Tower Case  (€92.57 @ Mindfactory)
Power Supply: LC-Power LC6 V2.31 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€82.62 @ Mindfactory)
Total: €630.12

[Why_Me]

5 minutes ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

Not really relevant.  Those benchmarks are with a 3090 uncapped.  IDK if OP is even using a gaming monitor (they don;t game much) nad the GPU is gonna be a 6600.  Then again, not sure on prices.  I wouldn't;'t spend more than an extra 15e on the 5600 fo r this use case, though.

So what do you think is going to get more FPS ... a RX 6600 + 3600 or RX 6600 + 5600?

[podkall]

22 minutes ago, LongLifeSpongeBoy said:

Just basic stuff. Work and browsing. Sometimes some gaming like R6 Siege. Thats it

@Queen Chrysalis aight you can fact check my list here.

 

So the build looks ok, let's list it down:

 

CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 (good overall CPU for all kinds of basic stuff to some gaming)

MB: (something like) Asus PRIME B450M-K II (just find something relatively cheap that supports AM4 socket)

RAM: 16GB of 3000-3600Mhz RAM (3000 is plenty enough but if you find faster RAM for cheaper it's fine too)

Storage: Whatever SSD is fine at least 1TB (decent choices: Kingston NV series, Crucial P series, Cheapest Samsung M.2 if it isn't too costly)

GPU: go for the 6600 it's a good choice

PSU: the EVGA you mentioned

Case: Literally any case that supports your motherboard Form Factor (Case is literally esthetic, find one that's cheap and catches your eye, or just get a plain one)

 

Alternatively: you can try to find a cheap pre-buit that has similar specs, and then ask back here, we will gladly tell you if it's a good buy

[Queen Chrysalis]

1 minute ago, Why_Me said:

So what do you think is going to get more FPS ... a RX 6600 + 3600 or RX 6600 + 5600?

The same.  it'll be GPU or monitor bound.

[LongLifeSpongeBoy]

15 minutes ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

yeah, that'll play everything pretty damn well.

 

Maybe a bit much on the PSU, but if you did a GPU upgrade to like a 6800xt in the future the PSU would be fine for that.

 

Otherwise this looks great, you'll enjoy it.  Might be a bit overkill on the motherboard too, a basic one with enough ports and the features you need will be plenty for a 3600.  I guess it depends on how much that motherboard costs.

 

For case, just go with whatever look nice to you and is cheap.  This system won;t get very hot, but it never hurts to get a case that includes at least two fans and has some good ventilation in the front for air to come in easily.

B550 mainboards cost around 75€ here. For 15€ more I can get this one. Thats why i picked it.

[LongLifeSpongeBoy]

10 minutes ago, Why_Me said:

https://geizhals.de/amd-ryzen-5-5600-100-100000927box-a2709114.html 

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 €131,80  

 

Thought about picking up the 5600 but I wont need that much performance. And it is nearly double the price.

[Queen Chrysalis]

2 minutes ago, podkall said:

@Queen Chrysalis aight you can fact check my list here.

 

So the builds looks ok, let's list it down:

 

CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 (good overall CPU for all kinds of basic stuff to some gaming)

MB: (something like) Asus PRIME B450M-K II (just find something relatively cheap that supports AM4 socket)

RAM: 16GB of 3000-3600Mhz RAM (3000 is plenty enough but if you find faster RAM for cheaper it's fine too)

Storage: Whatever SSD is fine at least 1TB (decent choices: Kingston NV series, Crucial P series, Cheapest Samsung M.2 if it isn't too costly)

GPU: go for the 6600 it's a good choice

PSU: the EVGA you mentioned

Case: Literally any case that supports your motherboard Form Factor (Case is literally esthetic, find one that's cheap and catches your eye, or just get a plain one)

 

Alternatively: you can try to find a cheap pre-buit that has similar specs, and then ask back here, we will gladly tell you if it's a good buy

That looks good.  I usually try to go for a mobo that has wifi or at least an m.2 wifi port since a lot of people probably just expect it these days (though that $15 TPlink PCIe wifi adapter is probably fine too).

 

eBay 5700xts are also about the same as 6600s, and they use a little more power but sometimes they are a lot cheaper.

[Queen Chrysalis]

3 minutes ago, LongLifeSpongeBoy said:

B550 mainboards cost around 75€ here. For 15€ more I can get this one. Thats why i picked it.

OK cool, yeah it's a great motherboard.

[podkall]

1 minute ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

That looks good.  I usually try to go for a mobo that has wifi or at least an m.2 wifi port since a lot of people probably just expect it these days (though that $155 TPlink PCIe wifi adapter is probably fine too).

 

eBay 5700xts are also about the same as 6600s, and they use a little more power but sometimes they are a lot cheaper.

true, I simply hope lot of people are reasonable and state in their list of needs that they need a wifi connectivity, since that's something not very common on desktop PCs, it's a quality you should should say you want

[LongLifeSpongeBoy]

11 minutes ago, PC HEROES said:

Hello, I was able to put this together for you. Please Don't get the Ryzen 5 3600. They are not very good anymore as they have been known to fail and just die out recently.

 

The PC Case that I picked has 4 Fans installed already so you won't need any extras.

 

I have been building PCs for 30 years so if you have any questions please ask.

 

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/bTrXsh

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 4500 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€78.78 @ Mindfactory)
Motherboard: MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€80.35 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (€38.45 @ Mindfactory)
Storage: Lexar NM710 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€49.36 @ Mindfactory)
Video Card: ASRock Challenger D Radeon RX 6600 8 GB Video Card  (€207.99 @ Mindfactory)
Case: ENDORFY Regnum 400 Air ATX Mid Tower Case  (€92.57 @ Mindfactory)
Power Supply: LC-Power LC6 V2.31 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€82.62 @ Mindfactory)
Total: €630.12

Would u really recommend the 5 4500? I watched a few vids and basically everyone was calling it bad and so on. Didnt quite understand why. Because it is pretty good value for 60€. And will there be performance loss because of pcie 3? Watched a vid on the 6500xt and there was major performance loss while using pcie 3 mainboards. Wont it be the same with rx 6600?

[Queen Chrysalis]

12 minutes ago, podkall said:

true, I simply hope lot of people are reasonable and state in their list of needs that they need a wifi connectivity, since that's something not very common on desktop PCs, it's a quality you should should say you want

Most dell or hp ones you'd get at walmart these days will have wifi.  My dad's inspiron 660 (2012, i3 3240) has it, and iMacs have had it forever.  I think people who've only interacted with desktops like that probably just assume they all come with it.

[Queen Chrysalis]

Just now, LongLifeSpongeBoy said:

Would u really recommend the 5 4500? I watched a few vids and basically everyone was calling it bad and so on. Didnt quite understand why. Because it is pretty good value for 60€. And will there be performance loss because of pcie 3? Watched a vid on the 6500xt and there was major performance loss while using pcie 3 mainboards. Wont it be the same with rx 6600?

Not really, unless it's a lot cheaper.  it still has 6 cores and 12 threads, but it's kinda low on cache which a lot fo games are starting to leverage more.  IDK about R^, it'll still run but it may be less stable in terms of framerate dips.  The 3600 is only a little more, and I'd prefer the cache for (what is like 10 euros more?).

 

PCIe 3.0 vs 4.0 does not matter for any GPU below like a 6900xt IIRC.  It only matters for the rx 6400 and rx 6500xt because they only have 4 lanes so they need faster lanes, whereas any GPU with 8 or 16 lanes is totally fine on PCIe 3.0 (the 6600 is mostly fine on PCIe 2.0).

[LongLifeSpongeBoy]

25 minutes ago, PC HEROES said:

Please Don't get the Ryzen 5 3600. They are not very good anymore as they have been known to fail and just die out recently.

Didnt know that. Is it that bad?

[PC HEROES]

9 minutes ago, LongLifeSpongeBoy said:

Would u really recommend the 5 4500? I watched a few vids and basically everyone was calling it bad and so on. Didnt quite understand why. Because it is pretty good value for 60€. And will there be performance loss because of pcie 3? Watched a vid on the 6500xt and there was major performance loss while using pcie 3 mainboards. Wont it be the same with rx 6600?

Your should be just fine... @Queen Chrysalis said it pretty much the same as I would. The Ryzen 5 4500 is only PCIe 3.0 and so is the B450 Motherboard that I picked. Even though the GPU is PCIe 4.0 it won't affect anything really, not that you will notice.

[Queen Chrysalis]

1 minute ago, LongLifeSpongeBoy said:

Didnt know that. Is it that bad?

I've heard nothing of this.  I'm still running a 1600 flawlessly.

27 minutes ago, PC HEROES said:

they have been known to fail and just die out recently.

source?

[podkall]

8 minutes ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

Not really, unless it's a lot cheaper.  it still has 6 cores and 12 threads, but it's kinda low on cache which a lot fo games are starting to leverage more.  IDK about R^, it'll still run but it may be less stable in terms of framerate dips.  The 3600 is only a little more, and I'd prefer the cache for (what is like 10 euros more?).

 

PCIe 3.0 vs 4.0 does not matter for any GPU below like a 6900xt IIRC.  It only matters for the rx 6400 and rx 6500xt because they only have 4 lanes so they need faster lanes, whereas any GPU with 8 or 16 lanes is totally fine on PCIe 3.0 (the 6600 is mostly fine on PCIe 2.0).

yep, 3600 has like 4x more L3 cahe, and fast CPU is always welcome to reduce any potential micro-stutters and overall speed at which it completes tasks

 

2 minutes ago, LongLifeSpongeBoy said:

Didnt know that. Is it that bad?

no it's not, 3600 is a good CPU

[PC HEROES]

1 minute ago, LongLifeSpongeBoy said:

Didnt know that. Is it that bad?

Well in terms of performance it's "OK" at this point, it has been replaced my many others. If you watch a guy on YouTube called Greg Salazar he does a series called "Fix it, Flip or Flop" were he does repairs on local PCs. He had come across about 10 Ryzen 3600s and they all have just seemed to have died without reason.