Stable 9900KS setup for working?

[Melodist]

Sup,

 

I had tweaked and set up an OC setup for my 9900KS over a few months more than a year ago to a stable level, on a Gigabyte Z390 Designare, which looks like this:

 

CPU Clock ratio: 50

Ring ratio: 46

IPG ratio: Auto

AVX offset: Auto

Enhanced Multicore Enhancement: Disabled

 

(I didn't deactive Speed Shift Tech and c states)

 

CPU Score: 1.35 V

AC/DC Loadline: Auto

Vcore Loadline Calibration: Medium

VCCIO: 1.1 V

System Agent Voltage: 1.2 V

 

Memory is 3200 Trident Z CL14 XMP Profile OC.

 

The CPU, when at 100% stress in Cinebench or Blender for example, hovers after vdrop around a core voltage of 1.26 to 1.28. Being around 80 degrees in Cinebench R23.

 

It took me a while to find a stable setup that didn't crash at all and actually tested it quite heavily and I was very happy with it.

 

But now I guess I want to use it more safely for operating a DAW (Pro Tools) and not have a chance of it crashing because random multicore peaks in creative apps.

 

What's like a stable setup for a 9900KS that also doesn't require much tweaking while still using my XMP memory profile and not lose too much performance?

 

I guess the easiest would be to use the default BIOS of the mobo but that's actually doing the opposite, drawing as much power as needed to keep the CPU on all cores always at 5 GHz, going 90 degrees and above in Cinebench R23.

 

I need a setup that's not messing too much with the CPU, stability prioritized but still with good performance.

 

So far Pro Tools has always run stable but I don't want a single chance of it crashing based on y custom OC and have a session go to waste.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

5 minutes ago, Melodist said:

Memory is 3200 Trident Z CL14 XMP Profile OC.

Quite the waste of bdie to run it at xmp

 

If you need stability just run 24 hour prime95 large ffts, for cpu im not sure cause p95 smallest ffts turns the cpu into a room heater

[Melodist]

11 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Quite the waste of bdie to run it at xmp

 

If you need stability just run 24 hour prime95 large ffts, for cpu im not sure cause p95 smallest ffts turns the cpu into a room heater

I have run prime for a few hours in various settings, custom for CPU and memory (obviously not with the smallest FFT but also not something completely chill) as well as aida64 and Blender.

 

However, how stable that one is, you still have a chance of it during some weird microsecond to draw a bit too much power due to a nasty plugin or hick up that will exceed your power draw and crash, which did not happen to me but I remember how tight the balance was of not giving it enough power vs touch much where the temps would make it more unstable again alongside finding the right Loadline Calibration.

 

So I guess I'd like something with an automatic power draw to not have it by random peaks crash (hasn't happened yet but it can) that doesn't make it too hot but still keeps it performant.

 

And the standard mobo setting draws as much power and keeps it hot.

 

PS: Why wasted Bdie, you mean not customized enough to squeeze more out of it given the quality?

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Just now, Melodist said:

but I remember how tight the balance was of not giving it enough power vs touch much where the temps would make it more unstable again alongside finding the right Loadline Calibration.

Then loosen your settings abit

 

I prefer to tune to max performance but if max performance is particularly volatile ill probalbly back it off abit so its not ultra volatile and the slightest bit of temp chance nukes and crashes it

 

An example would be my 1520 ddr2, sure i can run it all the way to 1520 on a goofy 1x3 config but if the ram temp gets a touch too high itll start throwing errors and crash, literally needs two fans to cool properly, while detuning to 1470 allows me to run abit lower volt (2.2v vs 2.38v) and not even need a fan for stability or only need 1 fan and it wont be ultra volatile either. Still searching for a better ram clocker to see if i can get 1600 ddr2 stable on air cause its kinda fun to do stupid overclocks

[Melodist]

6 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Then loosen your settings abit

 

I prefer to tune to max performance but if max performance is particularly volatile ill probalbly back it off abit so its not ultra volatile and the slightest bit of temp chance nukes and crashes it

 

An example would be my 1520 ddr2, sure i can run it all the way to 1520 on a goofy 1x3 config but if the ram temp gets a touch too high itll start throwing errors and crash, literally needs two fans to cool properly, while detuning to 1470 allows me to run abit lower volt (2.2v vs 2.38v) and not even need a fan for stability or only need 1 fan and it wont be ultra volatile either. Still searching for a better ram clocker to see if i can get 1600 ddr2 stable on air cause its kinda fun to do stupid overclocks

I mean don't get me wrong, finding the 1.35 V at medium LLC took me a while because either the CPU didn't get enough voltage at let's say 1.32 or even 1.fucking4 and crash or get too hot and unstable at 1.365

 

But it's not 100% stable I'd say, even if a crash happened only after 2 weeks to work professionally.

 

Is there some automatic power draw setting without messing with radios and states that also stays performant and stable and doesn't bounce around?

[Somerandomtechyboi]

12 minutes ago, Melodist said:

I mean don't get me wrong, finding the 1.35 V at medium LLC took me a while because either the CPU didn't get enough voltage at let's say 1.32 or even 1.fucking4 and crash or get too hot and unstable at 1.365

 

But it's not 100% stable I'd say, even if a crash happened only after 2 weeks to work professionally.

 

Is there some automatic power draw setting without messing with radios and states that also stays performant and stable and doesn't bounce around?

Detune to 4.9 or 4.8ghz

Thatll give some room so if any unexpected temp spikes occur you wont run into crashing issues

[Melodist]

14 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Detune to 4.9 or 4.8ghz

Thatll give some room so if any unexpected temp spikes occur you wont run into crashing issues

I guess I used to do that and that might be the best option. Could you chime in on what I could improve on my custom OC? 

 

I was thinking about doing something like the motherboard default, which has no LLC and maybe dropping the Frequency with dynamic offset from 5 GHz to 4.9 for lower temps so I don't have to worry about those peaks? 

 

My custom OC, which is just differently steering at these 5 GHz is about 12 degrees cooler, that means on Cinebench R23 for example that would be 78 degrees vs 90.

 

However, what I feel, and I don't understand why, is that when I play Hunt Showdown, I get better FPS and a more stable performance with my custom OC? How come? I mean it's in-game temp wise 70 degrees vs 80 max core temps. 

 

I didn't even change the c-states in my custom OC. It's so weird, except I deactivated enhanced Multicore performance hm....

 

One other thing is that, I thought enhanced Multicore performance is supposed to boost every core to the max frequency (probably 4.7 GHz on the 9900k right)? However, I saw a tutorial doc of gigabyte and it said something entirely else:

 

"Disable the following power management settings: Intel® Speed Shift Technology, CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E), C3 State Support, C6/C7 State Support, C8 State Support and C10 State Support. Note: Alternatively, instead of disabling all these options you can simply just disable the “Enhanced Multi-Core Performance” under Advanced Frequency Settings."

 

So maybe that's creating the stability difference? Since it's deactivated on my custom OC and the standard config not?

 

Also should I touch system agent and VCCIO or does the XMP Profile of my ram overwrite this anyways?

[Melodist]

Maybe the better performance and stability in-game is that with my custom OC the voltage is fixed and with the default BIOS auto mode it fluctuates based on the usage hence the unsteadier performance?

 

What I still don't understand is how apparently disabled Enhanced Multicore Performance also deactivates the C-States and everything?

[Somerandomtechyboi]

9 hours ago, Melodist said:

I guess I used to do that and that might be the best option. Could you chime in on what I could improve on my custom OC? 

 

I was thinking about doing something like the motherboard default, which has no LLC and maybe dropping the Frequency with dynamic offset from 5 GHz to 4.9 for lower temps so I don't have to worry about those peaks? 

 

My custom OC, which is just differently steering at these 5 GHz is about 12 degrees cooler, that means on Cinebench R23 for example that would be 78 degrees vs 90.

 

However, what I feel, and I don't understand why, is that when I play Hunt Showdown, I get better FPS and a more stable performance with my custom OC? How come? I mean it's in-game temp wise 70 degrees vs 80 max core temps. 

 

I didn't even change the c-states in my custom OC. It's so weird, except I deactivated enhanced Multicore performance hm....

 

One other thing is that, I thought enhanced Multicore performance is supposed to boost every core to the max frequency (probably 4.7 GHz on the 9900k right)? However, I saw a tutorial doc of gigabyte and it said something entirely else:

 

"Disable the following power management settings: Intel® Speed Shift Technology, CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E), C3 State Support, C6/C7 State Support, C8 State Support and C10 State Support. Note: Alternatively, instead of disabling all these options you can simply just disable the “Enhanced Multi-Core Performance” under Advanced Frequency Settings."

 

So maybe that's creating the stability difference? Since it's deactivated on my custom OC and the standard config not?

 

Also should I touch system agent and VCCIO or does the XMP Profile of my ram overwrite this anyways?

Yes detune freq to 4.9 or 4.8 to increase headroom

 

As for vccsa/io if you are interested in ram oc just set to 1.45v on both and see how far your imc can push bdie, doubt youll get much over 4400 so heat wont be too much of a worry, youll still want a fan over the rams though cause bdie is kinda temp sensitive, also allows for >1.5v which you may need since bdie scales very well with volt