CPU Cooler

[mpf200]

Is this CPU cooler sufectint for a AMD 7800x3d? I will not be doing any overclocking
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FYJp99/corsair-icue-h60x-rgb-elite-4773-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-cw-9060064-ww
CORSAIR - iCUE Hydro Series H60X RGB ELITE AIO Liquid CPU Cooler 120mm Radiator with 120mm

 

[Skipple]

120mm AIOs are generally a waste of money. Is there a particular reason you are going that route? You can get better performance for less money with air.

[WallacEngineering]

@mpf200

@Skipple - Agreed

 

120mm AIOs are unfortunately NEVER advisable - same with 140mm. There is not enough radiator surface area and not enough water to cool properly - Simple Single-Tower Air coolers do a better job than single-fan AIOs.

 

I would only choose this cooler if you are building a small form-factor PC that doesn't have room for anything else.

 

Otherwise, tell me what case you are building in and I will recommend a high-performance cooler that is inexpensive.

[mpf200]

I just need one by tonight and this is the only one close by to me that I can pick up today

[WereCat]

2 minutes ago, mpf200 said:

I just need one by tonight and this is the only one close by to me that I can pick up today

It will suffice for gaming loads. If that's really the only option you have... 

[WallacEngineering]

4 minutes ago, mpf200 said:

I just need one by tonight and this is the only one close by to me that I can pick up today

 

Any reason you absolutely need it right now? You could save a bit of cash by going with other coolers while ALSO improving performance. Its a $400 CPU, rushing the cooling is not the greatest of ideas to be honest with you.

 

It would probably cool it to JUST below the 89C TJMax threshold at 100% load where the CPU begins throttling, so your boost clocks will be very much limited on that cooler.

[mpf200]

8 minutes ago, WallacEngineering said:

 

Any reason you absolutely need it right now? You could save a bit of cash by going with other coolers while ALSO improving performance. Its a $400 CPU, rushing the cooling is not the greatest of ideas to be honest with you.

 

It would probably cool it to JUST below the 89C TJMax threshold at 100% load where the CPU begins throttling, so your boost clocks will be very much limited on that cooler.

Well I had the EK AIO 280mm and got it on sale for $75 US but it did not fit in my PC case. This is my build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3CvVd9

[mpf200]

At this point, the store is closed. So what would you recommend for a cooler around the $100 price range?

[WallacEngineering]

12 minutes ago, mpf200 said:

Well I had the EK AIO 280mm and got it on sale for $75 US but it did not fit in my PC case. This is my build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3CvVd9

Alright I looked up the specs and this Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 will fit in your case and it cools as well as some 240mm AIOs anyways - all for $40.

 

What most people miss is for watercooling to be truly better than air - you need a LOT of water and a LOT of radiator surface area because water does not cool quickly - its the one negative to water cooling other than of course - the risk of leaking water.

 

Amazon.com: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE CPU Air Cooler, PA120 SE, 6 Heat Pipes CPU Cooler, Dual 120mm TL-C12C PWM Fan, Aluminium Heatsink Cover, AGHP Technology, for AMD AM4/AM5 Intel 1700/1150/1200 : Electronics

 

If you want to be on the bleeding edge, an opportunity is coming up - The Sythe Fuma 3 releases the day after tomorrow - 7/20/2023 and is available for pre-order for $50:

 

Fuma 3 CPU Air Cooler, Intel LGA1700, LGA1151, AMD AM5/AM4/Ryzen 120mm, Dual Towers, Black Top Cover - Newegg.com

 

 

[mpf200]

1 minute ago, WallacEngineering said:

Alright I looked up the specs and this Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 will fit in your case and it cools as well as some 240mm AIOs anyways - all for $40.

 

What most people miss is for watercooling to be truly better than air - you need a LOT of water and a LOT of radiator surface area because water does not cool quickly - its the one negative to water cooling other than of course - the risk of leaking water.

 

Amazon.com: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE CPU Air Cooler, PA120 SE, 6 Heat Pipes CPU Cooler, Dual 120mm TL-C12C PWM Fan, Aluminium Heatsink Cover, AGHP Technology, for AMD AM4/AM5 Intel 1700/1150/1200 : Electronics

 

If you want to be on the bleeding edge, an opportunity is coming up - The Sythe Fuma 3 releases the day after tomorrow - 7/20/2023 and is available for pre-order for $50:

 

Fuma 3 CPU Air Cooler, Intel LGA1700, LGA1151, AMD AM5/AM4/Ryzen 120mm, Dual Towers, Black Top Cover - Newegg.com

 

 

How about this Deepcool? 
https://www.amazon.com/DeepCool-LT-SYS/dp/B0B9SJYV59?th=1  DeepCool Liquid Cooler LT520 240mm 4th Gen Dual-Chamber Pump 3100RPM Multidimensional Infinity Mirror ARGB Block 280w

[WallacEngineering]

4 minutes ago, mpf200 said:

At this point, the store is closed. So what would you recommend for a cooler around the $100 price range?

If you want something higher end I can look into that as well but options for the biggest coolers are limited because your maximum CPU cooler height is 162mm.

[WallacEngineering]

1 minute ago, mpf200 said:

How about this Deepcool? 
https://www.amazon.com/DeepCool-LT-SYS/dp/B0B9SJYV59?th=1  DeepCool Liquid Cooler LT520 240mm 4th Gen Dual-Chamber Pump 3100RPM Multidimensional Infinity Mirror ARGB Block 280w

 It will certainly cool well enough, just again I dont see the point in spending a bunch of extra cash when it might be 1-2C cooler than the Peerless Assassin. But I mean thats your call - its your money, just be aware that for AIOs to be truly better than air cooling you either need a super-thick 240mm radiator or 280+mm. And if you had trouble fitting your old AIO, I dont see how this could be much different unless you just didnt have an AM5 mounting bracket.

[mpf200]

3 minutes ago, WallacEngineering said:

If you want something higher end I can look into that as well but options for the biggest coolers are limited because your maximum CPU cooler height is 162mm.

Yeah, I would prefer something preferably water-cooled but if you think it's not necessary that's fine. I got this EK one but it would not fit in my case lol. 

[mpf200]

5 minutes ago, mpf200 said:

Yeah, I would prefer something preferably water-cooled but if you think it's not necessary that's fine. I got this EK one but it would not fit in my case lol. 

But maybe if you could give me a few options of nonwater coolers that will fit in my build. I like the one you sent me but the problem is the shipping time. 

This? https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cooler-master-hyper-212-halo-black-edition-120mm-cpu-cooling-fan-with-gen-2-rgb-lighting-black/6541734.p?skuId=6541734

[WallacEngineering]

11 minutes ago, mpf200 said:

Yeah, I would prefer something preferably water-cooled but if you think it's not necessary that's fine. I got this EK one but it would not fit in my case lol. 

 

7 minutes ago, mpf200 said:

But maybe if you could give me a few options of nonwater coolers that will fit in my build. I like the one you sent me but the problem is the shipping time

 

Well that AIO you linked will certainly cool well enough, but here is a review of water versus air, it might just change your mind when it comes to how you feel about air cooling vs water cooling.

 

Which one did you like? I sent you two options so far that fit your case. Was it the Assassin or the Sythe?

 

 

 

Note this is DELTA OVER AMBIENT, not the actual recorded temps, so since the Ambient room temp was 21C for this test, the Peerless Assassin ran the OC 3950X at 74.4C

 

 

[mpf200]

1 minute ago, WallacEngineering said:

 

 

Well that AIO you linked will certainly cool well enough, but here is a review of water versus air, it might just change your mind when it comes to how you feel about air cooling vs water cooling.

 

Which one did you like? I sent you two options so far that fit your case. Was it the Assassin or the Sythe?

 

 

 

Yeah thanks, I currently have a air cooler in my build but I built this one 5 years ago. Just kinda lost with what to do now when it comes to cooling with all the new CPUs. I know the AMDs use way less power than the new intels so its better for temps. 

 

[mpf200]

1 minute ago, mpf200 said:

 

Yeah, thanks, I currently have an air cooler in my build but I built this one 5 years ago. Just kind of lost with what to do now when it comes to cooling with all the new CPUs. I know the AMDs use way less power than the new Intel so it's better for temps. I like the Thermalright

[WallacEngineering]

8 minutes ago, mpf200 said:

 

 

Well Im running the DeepCool Assassin-IV on my 7800X-3D and getting max temps around 78C even with OC, but the Assassin-IV is too large for your case.

 

 

 

 

[WallacEngineering]

7 minutes ago, mpf200 said:

Yeah, thanks, I currently have an air cooler in my build but I built this one 5 years ago. Just kind of lost with what to do now when it comes to cooling with all the new CPUs. I know the AMDs use way less power than the new Intel so it's better for temps. I like the Thermalright

 

Here is an Amazon search for the Assassin 120. Take a look at the sellers and shipping dates and see if you can find a shipping option that works, or look up the Assassin 120 on NewEgg:

 

Amazon.com : peerless assassin 120

[mpf200]

5 minutes ago, WallacEngineering said:

 

Here is an Amazon search for the Assassin 120. Take a look at the sellers and shipping dates and see if you can find a shipping option that works, or look up the Assassin 120 on NewEgg:

 

Amazon.com : peerless assassin 120

Okay, this one I can get overnight. https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Peerless-TL-C12C-S-Aluminium-Technology/dp/B09YT5BQD9/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=peerless+assassin+120&qid=1689739303&sr=8-5 based on the search link you gave me. Should I go with this one or these?

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Phantom-Spirit-Cooler-Heatpipes/dp/B0BR3JQTSN

B09CSXS3X4
https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Peerless-Assassin-Aluminium-Technology/dp/B09YT92LWJ/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2L0JXWTBSNBN0&keywords=DeepCool+assassin+3&qid=1689739221&s=electronics&sprefix=deepcool+assassin+%2Celectronics%2C134&sr=1-2
https://www.amazon.com/Vetroo-Cooler-Processor-Universal-Addressable/dp/B08F21X2VP?tag=gamersnexus01-20&geniuslink=true

Thats all I got so far. I think they should be able to fit in the case

[WallacEngineering]

3 minutes ago, mpf200 said:

Okay, this one I can get overnight. https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Peerless-TL-C12C-S-Aluminium-Technology/dp/B09YT5BQD9/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=peerless+assassin+120&qid=1689739303&sr=8-5 based on the search link you gave me. Should I go with this one or these?

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Phantom-Spirit-Cooler-Heatpipes/dp/B0BR3JQTSN

B09CSXS3X4
https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Peerless-Assassin-Aluminium-Technology/dp/B09YT92LWJ/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2L0JXWTBSNBN0&keywords=DeepCool+assassin+3&qid=1689739221&s=electronics&sprefix=deepcool+assassin+%2Celectronics%2C134&sr=1-2
https://www.amazon.com/Vetroo-Cooler-Processor-Universal-Addressable/dp/B08F21X2VP?tag=gamersnexus01-20&geniuslink=true

Thats all I got so far. I think they should be able to fit in the case

 

The Phantom Spirit is actually a bit taller and would be a very close call fitting with the side panel on and it shows no performance improvement whatsoever in most scenarios and at best some people have seen 1C improvement over the peerless assassin. So if you really want to pay for overnight shipping, go for the Peerless assassin as its pretty much a guaranteed fit with some room to spare and great performance for low cost. So that very first link:

 

Amazon.com: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB CPU Air Cooler, 6 Heat Pipes CPU Cooler, Dual 120mm TL-C12C-S PWM Fan, Aluminium Heatsink Cover, AGHP Technology, for AMD AM4/AM5 Intel 1700/115X/1200 : Electronics

[mpf200]

24 minutes ago, WallacEngineering said:

 

The Phantom Spirit is actually a bit taller and would be a very close call fitting with the side panel on and it shows no performance improvement whatsoever in most scenarios and at best some people have seen 1C improvement over the peerless assassin. So if you really want to pay for overnight shipping, go for the Peerless assassin as its pretty much a guaranteed fit with some room to spare and great performance for low cost. So that very first link:

 

Amazon.com: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB CPU Air Cooler, 6 Heat Pipes CPU Cooler, Dual 120mm TL-C12C-S PWM Fan, Aluminium Heatsink Cover, AGHP Technology, for AMD AM4/AM5 Intel 1700/115X/1200 : Electronics

Exilent just ordered free overnight prime shipping. I can't thank you enough for all the help. A true lifesaver. This is my final build. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jxwVd9

[WallacEngineering]

20 minutes ago, mpf200 said:

Exilent just ordered free overnight prime shipping. I can't thank you enough for all the help. A true lifesaver. This is my final build. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jxwVd9

 

The only thing I would suggest is think about moving up from that 1080p monitor. Linus showed that even professional E-Sports gamers who literally get paid to play see no improvement whatsoever going from 144Hz to 240Hz. So really, you are just throwing away a bunch of the XTX's power on useless frames.

 

Even on my 3440x1440p display, I easily max out the 144Hz refresh rate if I lower just one or two settings from Ultra to high and leave everything else on Ultra - even in extremely demanding 2023 games like Atomic Heart or the Dead Space 2023 Remake.

 

In truth, the card is designed to be a 4K/120FPS at High Settings or 1440p/180+FPS card. I don't see any reason to run an XTX on a 1080p display of any kind whatsoever.

[mpf200]

2 minutes ago, WallacEngineering said:

 

The only thing I would suggest is think about moving up from that 1080p monitor. Linus showed that even professional E-Sports gamers who literally get paid to play see no improvement whatsoever going from 144Hz to 240Hz. So really, you are just throwing away a bunch of the XTX's power on useless frames.

 

Even on my 3440x1440p display, I easily max out the 144Hz refresh rate if I lower just one or two settings from Ultra to high and leave everything else on Ultra - even in extremely demanding 2023 games like Atomic Heart or the Dead Space 2023 Remake.

 

In truth, the card is designed to be a 4K/120FPS at High Settings or 1440p/180+FPS card. I don't see any reason to run an XTX on a 1080p display of any kind whatsoever.

Yeah, I plan on getting a new monitor soonish just going to do this one for now. I have had it for a while. 1440p or 4k?

[WallacEngineering]

9 minutes ago, mpf200 said:

Yeah, I plan on getting a new monitor soonish just going to do this one for now. I have had it for a while. 1440p or 4k?

That depends on your preference. I prefer 120-ish FPS so my 3440x1440 at pretty much ultra settings is perfect for me.

 

If you prefer extreme frame rates, get yourself a 1440p 240Hz monitor, they are a dime a dozen these days. If you prefer fidelity, get a 4K 120+ Hz monitor but know that fidelity uplift from 1440p to 4K is minimal. From pixels alone it will be tough to even notice a difference, where 4K shines is its selection on high-quality displays with OLED and HDR-600+ technologies.

 

But a good 4K monitor will cost you as much as another XTX GPU, so a good middle ground might be a good IPS 1440p monitor with HDR and great color accuracy. A good example would be something like this:

 

This is one of the absolute best 2560x1440p Monitors on planet earth that isn't an OLED (OLED is extremely expensive and has limited lifespan - so its only for the wealthy).

 

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824716007?Item=N82E16824716007&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-24-716-007-_-07182023