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11 hours ago, Rafeeqalmas said:

So What if I just upgrade my GPU to RX6600 and add a SSD for now and use for couple of years and later will change the whole system except GPU. Will my current CPU Ryzen 1600 cause any bottleneck If I add RX6600?

It's going to bottleneck, but you'd still have better performance than a stronger CPU and a 6400 or 6500.

Hi All. I need your help in taking a decision to upgrade my PC. The current config is ASUS ROG Strix b350-f, Ryzen 1600, R7 260 2GB Graphic card, Crucial 8gb(2400) x 1 DDR4 Ram, Cooler Master 500 Watts. I'm looking to upgrade my processor and graphic card to Ryzen 5 5600G and Radeon RX 6400. Will my motherboard support this new processor? Will there be any performance/compatibility issue? 


I have checked the Asus site as well and mentions it will support this processor (refer screenshot), but the shop person says mobo will face some performance issue. It's fine for me if the performance loss is less as I'm not going to do any heavy duty task. It's been used mostly for games but occasionally.

 

Please share your opinion on this whether using Ryzen 5 5600G and Radeon RX 6400 in my old ASUS ROG Strix b350-f motherboard won't cause any issue?

My budget is very limited not and can't increase it. Thats why I'm opting for them swap. Looking forward for your opinions.

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11 minutes ago, Rafeeqalmas said:

Please share your opinion on this whether using Ryzen 5 5600G and Radeon RX 6400 in my old ASUS ROG Strix b350-f motherboard won't cause any issue?

Update the BIOS and go. It will work fine. I just put a 5600X in my previous B350-F for my friend's new-to-him machine and it's fine.

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It will work, but there's no need for you to get a G procesor if you're going to use a discrete graphics card or you don't need such a low end GPU if you're going to use a G cpu.

But for such a low end card you don't a new CPU, the 1600 is fine.

 

I would recommend you to list the parts you have, everything, and then the budget you have. We might find you better upgrades.

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4 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

It will work, but there's no need for you to get a G procesor if you're going to use a discrete graphics card or you don't need such a low end GPU if you're going to use a G cpu.

But for such a low end card you don't a new CPU, the 1600 is fine.

 

I would recommend you to list the parts you have, everything, and then the budget you have. We might find you better upgrades.

Thanks for you reply. Below are parts i'm using now:
CPU - Ryzen 5 1600
Motherboard - Asus B350 F Gaming
RAM - Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GBx1 DDR4 2400Mhz
GPU - AMD R7 260 2gb
Case - Cooler Master MasterBox 5
Storage - WD Blue 1TB
PSU - Cooler Master MasterWatt lite 500w
Display - LG 22MP68VQ
Cooling - Stock cooler (AMD Wraith Cooler)

 

The reason I'm going for this 2 mentioned parts is, it's comes under my budget. 5600G cost Rs 11450 and RX6400 cost Rs 11400. 


Note: I'm from India and my budget is 25k for this partial upgrade. This is max I can spend. Only reason I want to upgrade is play a lag free game. I'm not a hardcore gamer and all. 

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6 minutes ago, Rafeeqalmas said:

RX6400 cost Rs 11400. 

the rx 6400 gets heavily bottlenecked from pcie gen 3 so I'd go with an rx 580

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CPU: R5 5600 CPU Cooler: Stock

Mobo: Asrock B550M-ITX/ac

RAM: Vengeance LPX 2x8GB 3200mhz Cl16

SSD: P5 Plus 500GB Secondary SSD: Kingston A400 960GB

GPU: MSI RTX 3060 Gaming X

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PSU: NZXT SP-650M SFX-L PSU from H1

Monitor: Samsung WQHD 34 inch and 43 inch TV

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Keyboard: Rii membrane keyboard

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Rafeeqalmas said:

RAM - Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GBx1 DDR4 2400Mhz

1 stick of ram is pretty bad

With my b350f I went from  1700 to 5600

5600 is better than 5600G in cache

Just update bios before switching

 

Nothing below 5700 performancewise should be bottlenecking a 1600

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38 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

It will work, but there's no need for you to get a G procesor if you're going to use a discrete graphics card or you don't need such a low end GPU if you're going to use a G cpu.

But for such a low end card you don't a new CPU, the 1600 is fine.

 

I would recommend you to list the parts you have, everything, and then the budget you have. We might find you better upgrades.

Pls share your suggestion based on my detail provided

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43 minutes ago, AbydosOne said:

Update the BIOS and go. It will work fine. I just put a 5600X in my previous B350-F for my friend's new-to-him machine and it's fine.

Thanks for conforming.

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8 minutes ago, 37748585862723896 said:

1 stick of ram is pretty bad

Yep. I know. I'm going to add one more 8gb stick now with this upgrade. Thanks for your suggestion. 

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22 minutes ago, filpo said:

rx 6400 gets heavily bottlenecked from pcie gen 3 so I'd go with an rx 580

Are you saying, RX580 will perform better than RX 6400? Isn't RX580 older card? Sorry for the silly question. 

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3 minutes ago, Rafeeqalmas said:

Are you saying, RX580 will perform better than RX 6400?

Yes it will

 

3 minutes ago, Rafeeqalmas said:

Isn't RX580 older card?

doesn't matter. Its still better. And it has double the vram


This is the rx 590 but their not too different 

 

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Current parts list

CPU: R5 5600 CPU Cooler: Stock

Mobo: Asrock B550M-ITX/ac

RAM: Vengeance LPX 2x8GB 3200mhz Cl16

SSD: P5 Plus 500GB Secondary SSD: Kingston A400 960GB

GPU: MSI RTX 3060 Gaming X

Fans: 1x Noctua NF-P12 Redux, 1x Arctic P12, 1x Corsair LL120

PSU: NZXT SP-650M SFX-L PSU from H1

Monitor: Samsung WQHD 34 inch and 43 inch TV

Mouse: Logitech G203

Keyboard: Rii membrane keyboard

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 

 

 

Damn this space can fit a 4090 (just kidding)

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What the person in the computer shop is probably referring to is that your RAM is rather slow compared to what is intended to be used with a Ryzen 5000 series. So it will be held back a bit, but honestly it's not a huge deal if you're on a budget. I run a Ryzen7 5800x with 2400 RAM on a B350 and it's fine, it was a really noticeable upgrade from my old Ryzen7 1700. But I have a 2060 Super so I was better able to realize that power, maybe in your case it would be better to get a weaker CPU and a better GPU.

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1 hour ago, Rafeeqalmas said:

Thanks for you reply. Below are parts i'm using now:
CPU - Ryzen 5 1600
Motherboard - Asus B350 F Gaming
RAM - Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GBx1 DDR4 2400Mhz
GPU - AMD R7 260 2gb
Case - Cooler Master MasterBox 5
Storage - WD Blue 1TB
PSU - Cooler Master MasterWatt lite 500w
Display - LG 22MP68VQ
Cooling - Stock cooler (AMD Wraith Cooler)

 

The reason I'm going for this 2 mentioned parts is, it's comes under my budget. 5600G cost Rs 11450 and RX6400 cost Rs 11400. 


Note: I'm from India and my budget is 25k for this partial upgrade. This is max I can spend. Only reason I want to upgrade is play a lag free game. I'm not a hardcore gamer and all. 

1 hour ago, Rafeeqalmas said:

Pls share your suggestion based on my detail provided

 

You need additional RAM. You need a better GPU. And you need an SSD to have your OS and programs and games on.

But update your Bios first.

 

If you can find it, a Radeon 580X is a good buy.

I would not look at the 6400 and 6500 Radeons, at least the 6600 or 6600M. But, if you're looking at used parts - the RX 5500XT and 5600XT are great options too.

Also, the Radeons RX 470, 480, 570, 580, 580X, 590. And especially the 8GB versions.

 

For a GPU like that, you don't need to upgrade the CPU. It's good enough.

But if you want, a Ryzen 5 3600, 3600X, 3600XT, 4500, 5500 or 5600. Does not need to be a G chip if you're using a graphics card.

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  • Main PC: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D - EK AIO 360 D-RGB - Arctic Cooling MX-4 - Asus Prime X570-P - 4x8GB DDR4 3200 HyperX Fury CL16 - Sapphire AMD Radeon 6950XT Nitro+ - 1TB Kingston Fury Renegade - 2TB Kingston Fury Renegade - 512GB ADATA SU800 - 960GB Kingston A400 - Seasonic PX-850 850W  - custom black ATX and EPS cables - Fractal Design Define R5 Blackout - Windows 11 x64 23H2 - 3 Arctic Cooling P14 PWM PST - 5 Arctic Cooling P12 PWM PST
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  • Laptop: Acer E5–575G-386R 15.6" 1080p (i3 6100U + 12GB DDR4 (4GB+8GB) + GeForce 940MX + 256GB nVME) Win 10 Pro x64 22H2 - Logitech G305 + AAA Lithium battery
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  • TV and gadgets: TCL 50EP680 50" 4K LED + Sharp HT-SB100 75W RMS soundbar - Samsung Galaxy Tab A8 10.1" - OnePlus 9 256GB - Olymous Cameda C-160 - GameBoy Color 
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15 hours ago, 191x7 said:

 

You need additional RAM. You need a better GPU. And you need an SSD to have your OS and programs and games on.

But update your Bios first.

 

If you can find it, a Radeon 580X is a good buy.

I would not look at the 6400 and 6500 Radeons, at least the 6600 or 6600M. But, if you're looking at used parts - the RX 5500XT and 5600XT are great options too.

Also, the Radeons RX 470, 480, 570, 580, 580X, 590. And especially the 8GB versions.

 

For a GPU like that, you don't need to upgrade the CPU. It's good enough.

But if you want, a Ryzen 5 3600, 3600X, 3600XT, 4500, 5500 or 5600. Does not need to be a G chip if you're using a graphics card.

So What if I just upgrade my GPU to RX6600 and add a SSD for now and use for couple of years and later will change the whole system except GPU. Will my current CPU Ryzen 1600 cause any bottleneck If I add RX6600?

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3 hours ago, Rafeeqalmas said:

So What if I just upgrade my GPU to RX6600 and add a SSD for now and use for couple of years and later will change the whole system except GPU. Will my current CPU Ryzen 1600 cause any bottleneck If I add RX6600?

It shouldn’t bottleneck it too much 

Message me on discord (bread8669) for more help 

 

Current parts list

CPU: R5 5600 CPU Cooler: Stock

Mobo: Asrock B550M-ITX/ac

RAM: Vengeance LPX 2x8GB 3200mhz Cl16

SSD: P5 Plus 500GB Secondary SSD: Kingston A400 960GB

GPU: MSI RTX 3060 Gaming X

Fans: 1x Noctua NF-P12 Redux, 1x Arctic P12, 1x Corsair LL120

PSU: NZXT SP-650M SFX-L PSU from H1

Monitor: Samsung WQHD 34 inch and 43 inch TV

Mouse: Logitech G203

Keyboard: Rii membrane keyboard

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 

 

 

Damn this space can fit a 4090 (just kidding)

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11 hours ago, Rafeeqalmas said:

So What if I just upgrade my GPU to RX6600 and add a SSD for now and use for couple of years and later will change the whole system except GPU. Will my current CPU Ryzen 1600 cause any bottleneck If I add RX6600?

It's going to bottleneck, but you'd still have better performance than a stronger CPU and a 6400 or 6500.

M.S.C.E. (M.Sc. Computer Engineering), IT specialist in a hospital, 30+ years of gaming, 20+ years of computer enthusiasm, Geek, Trekkie, anime fan

  • Main PC: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D - EK AIO 360 D-RGB - Arctic Cooling MX-4 - Asus Prime X570-P - 4x8GB DDR4 3200 HyperX Fury CL16 - Sapphire AMD Radeon 6950XT Nitro+ - 1TB Kingston Fury Renegade - 2TB Kingston Fury Renegade - 512GB ADATA SU800 - 960GB Kingston A400 - Seasonic PX-850 850W  - custom black ATX and EPS cables - Fractal Design Define R5 Blackout - Windows 11 x64 23H2 - 3 Arctic Cooling P14 PWM PST - 5 Arctic Cooling P12 PWM PST
  • Peripherals: LG 32GK650F - Dell P2319h - Logitech G Pro X Superlight with Tiger Ice - HyperX Alloy Origins Core (TKL) - EndGame Gear MPC890 - Genius HF 1250B - Akliam PD4 - Sennheiser HD 560s - Simgot EM6L - Truthear Zero - QKZ x HBB - 7Hz Salnotes Zero - Logitech C270 - Behringer PS400 - BM700  - Colormunki Smile - Speedlink Torid - Jysk Stenderup - LG 24x External DVD writer - Konig smart card reader
  • Laptop: Acer E5–575G-386R 15.6" 1080p (i3 6100U + 12GB DDR4 (4GB+8GB) + GeForce 940MX + 256GB nVME) Win 10 Pro x64 22H2 - Logitech G305 + AAA Lithium battery
  • Networking: Asus TUF Gaming AX6000 - Arcadyan ISP router - 35/5 Mbps vDSL
  • TV and gadgets: TCL 50EP680 50" 4K LED + Sharp HT-SB100 75W RMS soundbar - Samsung Galaxy Tab A8 10.1" - OnePlus 9 256GB - Olymous Cameda C-160 - GameBoy Color 
  • Streaming/Server/Storage PC: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - LC-Power LC-CC-120 - MSI B450 Tomahawk Max - 2x4GB ADATA 2666 DDR4 - 120GB Kingston V300 - Toshiba DT01ACA100 1TB - Toshiba DT01ACA200 2TB - 2x WD Green 2TB - Sapphire Pulse AMD Radeon R9 380X - 550W EVGA G3 SuperNova - Chieftec Giga DF-01B - White Shark Spartan X keyboard - Roccat Kone Pure Military Desert strike - Logitech S-220 - Philips 226L
  • Livingroom PC (dad uses): AMD FX 8300 - Arctic Freezer 64 - Asus M5A97 R2.0 Evo - 2x4GB DDR3 1833 Kingston - MSI Radeon HD 7770 1GB OC - 120GB Adata SSD - 500W Fractal Design Essence - DVD-RW - Samsung SM 2253BW - Logitech G710+ - wireless vertical mouse - MS 2.0 speakers
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Thank you all for your support. Special thanks to @Filpo and @191x7

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14 hours ago, 191x7 said:

It's going to bottleneck, but you'd still have better performance than a stronger CPU and a 6400 or 6500.

well not the 6400 as already brought up, That card is just an awful match with any older platform due to its OEM/laptop focused design not intended to be used on older boards.

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