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So I've recently bought an MSI MAG Coreliquid 280R, and I feel like it's performing worse than my be quiet! Dark Rock 4. I have an i5-8600K overclocked to 4.8GHz.

 

I was sure, that going from air to water cooling I'd drop like at least 5-10 degrees. But from what I've seen while doing a run in Cinebench, I've gained around 3c on full load (from 66 on DR4 to 69 on 280R), and idle temperatures might have gotten worse, but I'm not 100% sure. Right now I have 36c on idle.

 

I've reapplied thermal paste as I was mounting the AIO. Both coolers were running with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut. Is it possible that I've just mounted the AIO block incorrectly? Could it be pressed to the CPU too much/not enough?

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9 hours ago, jaslion said:

What cpu cooler did you come from.

 

Water isnt magic. Its literally actinb just like the heatpipes in a normal tower air cooler and the cooling part of the aio works the exact same way as a air cooler does.

 

 

They said DRP4. I don't imagine that 280 can outperform it. 

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32 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

They said DRP4. I don't imagine that 280 can outperform it. 

not again lol XD  except for the failing MSI AIOs, air coolers cant even ...

vs front intake 280 

10 hours ago, cooryere said:

So I've recently bought an MSI MAG Coreliquid 280R

 im so sry for ur loss 😞

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AIOs are E-Waste 🤘

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25 minutes ago, NorKris said:

not again lol XD  except for the failing MSI AIOs, air coolers cant even ...

vs front intake 280 

 im so sry for ur loss 😞

Again and again. Show us the data that this particular AIO is better than the DRP4. Otherwise...

19 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Oh my bad yeah the dark rock is better than the msi always

So, do you believe that the results are consistent with the difference between the DRP4 and the MSI?

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12 minutes ago, NorKris said:

i just said that all MSI suck   XD  

Ah, so now there ARE 280s that can be beaten. Your story continues to evolve. Someday you'll catch up to other ones that can't compete, too. 😉 😛

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My phone's auto-correct is named Otto Rong.🤪😂

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10 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

Ah, so now there ARE 280s that can be beaten. Your story continues to evolve. Someday you'll catch up to other ones that can't compete, too. 😉 😛

they have a design flaw(or 2). i mean... if a air cooler had a desgin flaw  i would not go around pointing it out lol 

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31 minutes ago, NorKris said:

they have a design flaw(or 2). i mean... if a air cooler had a desgin flaw  i would not go around pointing it out lol 

Why not? I would. They're machines, they don't have feelings.

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My phone's auto-correct is named Otto Rong.🤪😂

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26 minutes ago, NorKris said:

haha 😆 i point it out so ppl dont buy them.

but a design flaw is not a metric for a class of products performance. 

A design flaw is only a metric if it exists in most or all of a class, or even a brand. Even if it doesn't qualify as a metric in terms of performance, flaws are STILL a metric because they demonstrate a problem in design that could hint at other design flaws across a product line or brand.

Take for example Ford cars. Every Ford I've owned from the 80s to the present (Pinto, Escort, Mustang, Focus) has had problems. In general, Fords have a history of problems with head gaskets and heater cores. Both my Escort and Mustang had bad heater cores. All 4 had head gasket problems. Should I not look at gasket issues as both a performance issue and a brand-wide flaw? Of course. But not all Fords have transmission problems, like my Focus did, which is a product line issue, and applies to other lines with the same tranny.

 

So, please, point things out so people are forewarned, but don't ignore them as a potential performance-related issue.

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My phone's auto-correct is named Otto Rong.🤪😂

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37 minutes ago, NorKris said:

but a design flaw is not a metric for a class of products performance. 

Sure it is, sooner or later that coolant will permeate. But in the mean time you have to trust that the coolant was mixed properly to prevent a myriad of other problems associated with that. And on top of all of that, you have to worry about the pump lol, and we haven't even gotten to the fans yet..

 

What design flaw 😄

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9 hours ago, freeagent said:

Sure it is, sooner or later that coolant will permeate. But in the mean time you have to trust that the coolant was mixed properly to prevent a myriad of other problems associated with that. And on top of all of that, you have to worry about the pump lol, and we haven't even gotten to the fans yet..

 

What design flaw 😄

im not that worried lol. only about msi.

 

9 hours ago, RevGAM said:

A design flaw is only a metric if it exists in most or all of a class, or even a brand. Even if it doesn't qualify as a metric in terms of performance, flaws are STILL a metric because they demonstrate a problem in design that could hint at other design flaws across a product line or brand.

Take for example Ford cars. Every Ford I've owned from the 80s to the present (Pinto, Escort, Mustang, Focus) has had problems. In general, Fords have a history of problems with head gaskets and heater cores. Both my Escort and Mustang had bad heater cores. All 4 had head gasket problems. Should I not look at gasket issues as both a performance issue and a brand-wide flaw? Of course. But not all Fords have transmission problems, like my Focus did, which is a product line issue, and applies to other lines with the same tranny.

 

So, please, point things out so people are forewarned, but don't ignore them as a potential performance-related issue.

Cars can fail in many ways too, and their are harder to fix than an aio  

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3 hours ago, NorKris said:

im not that worried lol. only about msi.

 

Cars can fail in many ways too, and their are harder to fix than an aio  

What's your point? You spend too much time arguing and avoiding the need to agree with others - cars are one of many examples. I've got plenty of other products to pick on, not just cars. Maybe you'd prefer toy cars? 😄

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My phone's auto-correct is named Otto Rong.🤪😂

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2 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

What's your point? You spend too much time arguing and avoiding the need to agree with others - cars are one of many examples. I've got plenty of other products to pick on, not just cars. Maybe you'd prefer toy cars? 😄

1. design flaw in one cooler should not be used as an argument against all aios. 

2. its eaiser to fix than a car 

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On 7/3/2023 at 11:30 AM, cooryere said:

So I've recently bought an MSI MAG Coreliquid 280R, and I feel like it's performing worse than my be quiet! Dark Rock 4. I have an i5-8600K overclocked to 4.8GHz.

 

I was sure, that going from air to water cooling I'd drop like at least 5-10 degrees. But from what I've seen while doing a run in Cinebench, I've gained around 3c on full load (from 66 on DR4 to 69 on 280R), and idle temperatures might have gotten worse, but I'm not 100% sure. Right now I have 36c on idle.

 

I've reapplied thermal paste as I was mounting the AIO. Both coolers were running with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut. Is it possible that I've just mounted the AIO block incorrectly? Could it be pressed to the CPU too much/not enough?

those temps look fine but i dont exactly have data to match it with something else.
water coolers usually take some time to settle at their performance. meaning it first will get hot and then it will stabilize but you will only know this if you do long runs on cinebench to test it. water cooling like an aio is usually only really needed on the hotter cpus. and not really on the easier to cool ones. as per example your cpu could also be cooled on an air cooler thats half decent. like for example an Noctua NH-U12S
its ultimately what you prefer to spend your money on. i would suggest thinking about what you want your pc to look and perform like. and then go from there.
 

 

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1 hour ago, NorKris said:

1. design flaw in one cooler should not be used as an argument against all aios. 

2. its eaiser to fix than a car 

Ok, Captain Obvious.

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My phone's auto-correct is named Otto Rong.🤪😂

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You cant argue with him. Well you can, but its an exersise in futility.

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Let’s keep it civil. 
 

We can all agree that AIOs have issues with coolant permeation and almost all units are designed for a ~5 year product life. They generally don’t perform much better than high end air cooling, apart from the top end 360mm+ units. They are more costly and complex but aesthetically they can be more appealing.

 

Those are facts. Everyone is free to make their choice accordingly. Personally, I find them to be e-waste and wish they didn’t exist. But that’s just me.

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43 minutes ago, Whatisthis said:

Let’s keep it civil. 
 

We can all agree that AIOs have issues with coolant permeation and almost all units are designed for a ~5 year product life. They generally don’t perform much better than high end air cooling, apart from the top end 360mm+ units. They are more costly and complex but aesthetically they can be more appealing.

 

Those are facts. Everyone is free to make their choice accordingly. Personally, I find them to be e-waste and wish they didn’t exist. But that’s just me.

So, for you, the slower rate of temp saturation isn't useful?

I've been using computers since around 1978, started learning programming in 1980 on Apple IIs, started learning about hardware in 1990, ran a BBS from 1990-95, built my first Windows PC around 2000, taught myself malware removal starting in 2005 (also learned on Bleeping Computer), learned web dev starting in 2017, and I think I can fill a thimble with all that knowledge. 😉 I'm not an expert, which is why I keep investigating the answers that others give to try and improve my knowledge, so feel free to double-check the advice I give.

My phone's auto-correct is named Otto Rong.🤪😂

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1 hour ago, freeagent said:

You cant argue with him. Well you can, but its an exersise in futility.

You can, but it's on Kris's terms.

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My phone's auto-correct is named Otto Rong.🤪😂

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1 hour ago, freeagent said:

You cant argue with him. Well you can, but its an exersise in futility.

its hard to argue against facts xD  and when the guys that does links to stuff that disprove them selfs 😛 

 

just look at how many AIOs are ranked before air coolers on this forums tier list. 

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