AIO performance

[TPCEA]

2 minutes ago, NorKris said:

its hard to argue against facts xD  and when the guys that does links to stuff that disprove them selfs  

 

just look at how many AIOs are ranked before air coolers on this forums tier list. 

Your terms have changed multiple times. First, it was all 240 and bigger AIOs, then most, then most except MSI, are better than even the best air coolers. This, despite showing you GN results UNDER OC LOAD contradicting your claims, as well sa data from others. You have altered your own narrative as well, revising to suit your current debate predicament, and have revised what others have written to do the same.

 

Your terms are fluid. You don't admit mistakes, you don't apologize, you don't concede.

[freeagent]

Yawn..

[NorKris]

43 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

Your terms have changed multiple times. First, it was all 240 and bigger AIOs, then most, then most except MSI, are better than even the best air coolers. This, despite showing you GN results UNDER OC LOAD contradicting your claims, as well sa data from others. You have altered your own narrative as well, revising to suit your current debate predicament, and have revised what others have written to do the same.

 

Your terms are fluid. You don't admit mistakes, you don't apologize, you don't concede.

1. Isn't it logical that when I say all "240 aios" that means they can't have design mistakes? 

2. you picked the 147w chart. the old one. and sure points to u for pointing out that on lower what cpus air coolers can do same temps. but when i use GNs 200w charts, AIR coolers get so beat its not even ... 

and when i tested an air cooler recomended by Freeagent vs a CM 240 AIO on 320w+  the air cooler ...103c++ (94c for the aio..)

 

please explain point 2 from ur view...  GN 147w, ok air did great!   GN 200w when boys start to be real men, AIOs won 

[TPCEA]

15 minutes ago, NorKris said:

1. Isn't it logical that when I say all "240 aios" that means they can't have design mistakes?

No, it isn't logical to assume that. Is it logical for you to assume that I'd benchmark using Ultra settings if I don't state it? No. You have to be clear about what you really mean because...

16 minutes ago, NorKris said:

2. you picked the 147w chart. the old one. and sure points to u for pointing out that on lower what cpus air coolers can do same temps. but when i use GNs 200w charts, AIR coolers get so beat its not even ...

You didn't state that there were conditions to your statement. Your statement was a blanket statement, which are almost always demonstrably false to one degree or another. You are the one who complained when you were presented with data from other than GN, so I gave you GN data, but you couldn't accept that your statement had been proven false by two people using multiple examples, so you altered your statement subsequently. If you are going to ONLY look at 200W+, you HAVE to state that or your statement, again, is easily proven false. You failed to do so - that is on you, not us.

18 minutes ago, NorKris said:

and when i tested an air cooler recomended by Freeagent vs a CM 240 AIO on 320w+  the air cooler ...103c++ (94c for the aio..)

Wow. One air cooler vs one AIO. That's hardly proof to support your blanket statement or any of your revised ones. Keep revising it until it actually is provable. That's the only way you'll get agreement from the rest of us.

20 minutes ago, NorKris said:

please explain point 2 from ur view...  GN 147w, ok air did great!   GN 200w when boys start to be real men, AIOs won 

We're talking about coolers, not boys and men. Nor does "balls to the wall" have any relevance, although you didn't say it. I find it idiotic when reviewers say that. I'd never put my balls to a wall. Someone might kick them!

Wait, I just noticed that, for the first time - twice (that I noticed) in this thread, you admitted you weren't entirely correct. You'd better call the ambulance...I'm having a heart attack!

 

*Pardon me, I'm an EMT. We're taking this guy to the ER. Stay tuned.*

[NorKris]

15 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

No, it isn't logical to assume that. Is it logical for you to assume that I'd benchmark using Ultra settings if I don't state it? No. You have to be clear about what you really mean because...

 

ok so i have to be like:  240 AIOs *front mounted, no design flaws, not suffocated for air* is better than air coolers  

* ... *  part so u dont lose track of the logic here..ok 

18 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

You didn't state that there were conditions to your statement. Your statement was a blanket statement, which are almost always demonstrably false to one degree or another. You are the one who complained when you were presented with data from other than GN, so I gave you GN data,

ok u gave me "old" GN data. 147w almost idle for todays standards   the diffrence between us is that u cherry pick ur tests. i look at the highest watts i can find. why? cuz ppl with the hottest CPUs wanna know what coolers are THE BEST at removing heat. not 147w best. 

 

23 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

but you couldn't accept that your statement had been proven false by two people

i bet u think ur one of them 

this was the 150w one.

who is the other one?  

[Whatisthis]

9 hours ago, RevGAM said:

So, for you, the slower rate of temp saturation isn't useful?

No. In all but the most contrived scenarios a properly vented case with an air cooler is functionally the same as any 240mm class aio.

 

13900k with an overclock…that I would take a 360mm+ radiator. Only because no air cooler can keep up with the heat output.

[TPCEA]

7 hours ago, NorKris said:

ok so i have to be like:  240 AIOs *front mounted, no design flaws, not suffocated for air* is better than air coolers  

* ... *  part so u dont lose track of the logic here..ok

Correct. Be specific. Otherwise it's a hasty generalization fallacy.

7 hours ago, NorKris said:

ok u gave me "old" GN data. 147w almost idle for todays standards   the diffrence between us is that u cherry pick ur tests. i look at the highest watts i can find. why? cuz ppl with the hottest CPUs wanna know what coolers are THE BEST at removing heat. not 147w best. 

You asked for GN data. You didn't specify, so I put up the first thing I found. Not my fault that you didn't say it had to be 200+W. That's not cherry-picking. I gave you what you asked for. Straw-man, ad hominem. There's nothing wrong with you giving the data you gave. You asked, I gave.

7 hours ago, NorKris said:

i bet u think ur one of them 

Yup.

7 hours ago, NorKris said:

this was the 150w one.

who is the other one?  

Figure it out - I was the SECOND person to refute you in that thread, not the first. That person gave data from another source. I think I may have also given data from a third source, although I'm not interested enough to go back and look.

 

[TPCEA]

55 minutes ago, Whatisthis said:

No. In all but the most contrived scenarios a properly vented case with an air cooler is functionally the same as any 240mm class aio.

 

13900k with an overclock…that I would take a 360mm+ radiator. Only because no air cooler can keep up with the heat output.

Careful, NorKris is watching. Are you sure there are no 240s that are better than the best air coolers? I'm genuinely curious. Actually, I think Kris will agree that a properly vented case is very important.

 

Yeah, when you get to that level of heat, you really don't have any choice unless you wanna go CL or exotic, right?

[NorKris]

10 hours ago, Whatisthis said:

No. In all but the most contrived scenarios a properly vented case with an air cooler is functionally the same as any 240mm class aio.

Yes i think we all kinda agree on this, my opinion is that since a AIO like a 240 can be front mounted it can take in all the fresh air a 240mm-surface can. while a air cooler hardly get any fresh air at all. and can only take inn 140mm if any.

 

9 hours ago, RevGAM said:

I think Kris will agree that a properly vented case is very important.

He does!  

And  I'm genuinely curious: how do u think a 240 (no desgin flaw) intake stacks up vs the best air coolers at 13900k/7950x-lvl heat loads? 

[TPCEA]

18 minutes ago, NorKris said:

Yes i think we all kinda agree on this, my opinion is that since a AIO like a 240 can be front mounted it can take in all the fresh air a 240mm-surface can. while a air cooler hardly get any fresh air at all. and can only take inn 140mm if any.

I think that's an excellent point, Kris.

19 minutes ago, NorKris said:

He does!  

And  I'm genuinely curious: how do u think a 240 (no desgin flaw) intake stacks up vs the best air coolers at 13900k/7950x-lvl heat loads? 

Well, at least I got something right. I'm going to ask you to qualify that a bit more - do you want to compare those air coolers to the best, mid-grade or worst 240s? Also, it would help me to be accurate if you could name 1-3 240s that are representative.
 

[freeagent]

1 hour ago, NorKris said:

while a air cooler hardly get any fresh air at all

I told you that your case sucked

[NorKris]

25 minutes ago, freeagent said:

I told you that your case sucked

It sucked in all the air it needed lol 

[TPCEA]

BTW, I found this review by a reviewer who loves to bias his results by putting a top cooler against lesser ones. https://www.tomshardware.com/features/intel-core-13900k-cooling-tested.

 

Naturally, the DC won. 

 

Tech Notice did another of their open bench tests, which I dislike. They compared a big AIO, the T- Force GD360E, versus a few strong air coolers, which did surprisingly well on a 13900k.... Given no case. But, if course, the AIO was the benchmark since it is so powerful. 

[freeagent]

1 hour ago, NorKris said:

It sucked in all the air it needed lol 

Apparently not

[NorKris]

2 hours ago, RevGAM said:

I'm going to ask you to qualify that a bit more - do you want to compare those air coolers to the best, mid-grade or worst 240s? Also, it would help me to be accurate if you could name 1-3 240s that are representative.
 

Okey lets say  CM 240p, Kraken 240, EK AIO 240

[NorKris]

18 minutes ago, freeagent said:

Apparently not

dont rly know if ur serious or not 

[Whatisthis]

Redundant

[freeagent]

1 hour ago, NorKris said:

dont rly know if ur serious or not 

My bad