Win 10 vs 11

[Chree]

Windows 10 seems alot better than win 11, it's more stable less power consumption? What's the purpose of win 11?

 

I just tried both back to back in games like Diablo 4 and mw2

 

The fps is almost 10% difference, 

Mw2 was at 180ish on ultra in win 11

 

It was 220 on win 10

 

Diablo 4 with high assets was 186 ultra win 11

 

And 230 with win 10 

And alot less stutter after teleporting or high traffic areas

 

What did win 11 do? What was the upgrade?

 

[GoodBytes]

10 hours ago, LloydLynx said:

Microsoft is gets an even tighter grip on your data and your life as a whole, and in turn you get prettier desktop visuals. 

Do you have proof of this?

 

10 hours ago, LloydLynx said:

Well technically the Windows 11 kernel works better with E+P type CPUs.

Do you mean process scheduler?

 

10 hours ago, LloydLynx said:

But Microsoft added initial Windows 10 E+P core support when everyone got pissed,

No, they did not.

 

 

[GoodBytes]

On 6/30/2023 at 11:37 PM, Chree said:

Windows 10 seems alot better than win 11, it's more stable less power consumption? What's the purpose of win 11?

Windows 11 is based on Windows 10 and is near identical. Even the OS, ID itself as Windows 10.

Stability is identical to Windows 10. Power consumption, on supported CPUs, is the same.

 

 

 

On 6/30/2023 at 11:37 PM, Chree said:

I just tried both back to back in games like Diablo 4 and mw2

 

The fps is almost 10% difference, 

Mw2 was at 180ish on ultra in win 11

 

It was 220 on win 10

 

Diablo 4 with high assets was 186 ultra win 11

 

And 230 with win 10 

And alot less stutter after teleporting or high traffic areas

 

What did win 11 do? What was the upgrade?

 

The performance should be identical (within margin of error). Ensure your BIOS/UEFI is fully up-to-date, and that your system is properly supported by Windows 11. My guess is that you forgot to install a driver, such as a chipset driver. Or you have additional software, such as security software that you installed, and effects performance.

 

Windows 11 is the same as Windows 10, with Windows 10 security feature which were disabled by default under Windows 10, now enabled under Windows 11.

Those security feature do costs performance, however, should be negligible with modern supported CPUs, due to their integration of accelerators in them to nearly eliminate the performance differences.

 

They are plenty of article and YT videos comparing the performance of Windows 10 and 11, and the impact is negligible / within margin of error in actual tasks.

[Chree]

1 hour ago, GoodBytes said:

Windows 11 is based on Windows 10 and is near identical. Even the OS, ID itself as Windows 10.

Stability is identical to Windows 10. Power consumption, on supported CPUs, is the same.

 

 

 

The performance should be identical (within margin of error). Ensure your BIOS/UEFI is fully up-to-date, and that your system is properly supported by Windows 11. My guess is that you forgot to install a driver, such as a chipset driver. Or you have additional software, such as security software that you installed, and effects performance.

 

Windows 11 is the same as Windows 10, with Windows 10 security feature which were disabled by default under Windows 10, now enabled under Windows 11.

Those security feature do costs performance, however, should be negligible with modern supported CPUs, due to their integration of accelerators in them to nearly eliminate the performance differences.

 

They are plenty of article and YT videos comparing the performance of Windows 10 and 11, and the impact is negligible / within margin of error in actual tasks.

nope all my stuff was updated win 10 is just way better

[GoodBytes]

1 minute ago, LloydLynx said:

The forced Microsoft account. A lot of nerds and almost all mainstreamers will just give in instead of finding a work around for a local account. 

This has nothing to do with what you said.

 

 

1 minute ago, LloydLynx said:

Also the TPM requirement. TPM is a fingerprint; another way to identify a specific computer across OS installs.

you have a very good fingerprint by taking hardware serial numbers and model names. All of which is accessible, and serial number by themselves are unique enough. Both, and you have a very clear and solid unique fingerprint. All hardware provides this information. If there was a care for this, it would have already been done. The only place it is loosely used by Windows, it is for OEM license.

 

1 minute ago, LloydLynx said:

Wiping or changing the TPM contents could make your computer incompatible with DRM if the DRM expects certain Microsoft or OEM provided keys. This is very bad in contries with poor free speech. Of course this a hurdle that's not impossible to jump over is many cases, but still a hurdle which blocks even more users from digital freedom. More is on the way. Look at the points in section 4 here. 

No need for any of this. If you use a provider or most VPN, you are all tracked by those countries. TPM has nothing to do with it. And TPM has no online access.

Your ISP are your biggest issue.

 

1 minute ago, LloydLynx said:

And https://libreddit.tiekoetter.com/r/intel/comments/zguuif/can_windows_10_handle_ecores_pcores_of_alder_lake/. Maybe I remembered wrong about people getting pissed. But Microsoft did add the ability to differentiate between E and P cores in Windows 10 with some very basic scheduling logic at least. 

Nothing was added under Windows 10. Chipset drivers isn't Windows. Also, gaming performance, is not all performance in all cases.

[Lurking]

14 minutes ago, LloydLynx said:

A forced online Microsoft account is invasive and pulls you into an ecosystem so yes it does have something do to with what I said. 

 

My point is the TPM could be abused by DRM. It's not nearly the only hurdle to jump over. And it's not a problem today, but could be in the future. Imagine a service detects you connecting through a VPN or any other way it disapproves of and TPM bans you(like an IP ban). That could be an issue if TPMs, and the coming Microsoft Pluton, lock things down more. Like imagine not being allowed to disable or change the contents of the TPM. And if you do with an external OS, Windows would refuse to boot. 

You can easily install W11 without TPM and MS account if you care. If MS wanted to force it, it would be much harder to circumvent those. 

 

i have installed W11 on pre-TPM PCs with ease and no MS account. Your complaints really are not valid or a real issue. 

 

(Horrible) DRM already was an issue way before TPM. They already had DRM on CDs and DVDs and on PDf and software way from the old days. 

 

What future Pluton or whatever will do is pure speculation and not really relevant to W11. 

[GoodBytes]

5 minutes ago, LloydLynx said:

Most users are going to just give in to creating a Microsoft account because circumventing it is a nerds task. 

They most likely already have an account, and if they don't, they will in any case. This ensures a smooth experience, have all their files where they expect (onedrive), and have all their stuff backed up (Onedrive). Backup is a HUGE problem for nearly everyone in terms of persentage. This is, currently, the best solution. Microsoft tried offline backup solution. It was present since Vista. And not even crickets were there for it, or it's removal. Yet, it was the ideal solution for Power user to setup to people. All you needed a network drive.

 

No to mention their bookmarks/favorites won't be lost, and all be restored, and no need to handle the export/import adventure.

 

Aside from that, they'll use the store, and they'll be ready to get what they need, like on their phone and tablet. The issue is that, most people, are limited in time. When they are ina  flow, they don't like to go on a tangent to set things up (account sign up to the Store). But they do have time when they start their new system.

 

5 minutes ago, LloydLynx said:

Not meeting the requirements means Microsoft might suddenly quit serving you updates, and updates aren't tested for compatibility with the older hardware so any update could break Windows on your hardware and all you'd get told is "stop using an unsupported setup". It's very much at your own risk. 

Same for Windows 10. No one cared.

 

5 minutes ago, LloydLynx said:

Some forms of evil DRM could become even worse by using the TPM. An unencrypted installation of Windows doesn't need the TPM to function at all. It's just artificially required because Microsoft wants to cater to other big corps to continue the cycle of societal dependence on Windows. 

You don't need TPM, as I said.

 

 

5 minutes ago, LloydLynx said:

 

Basically through all my points, Windows is a cluster of corporate dominance techniques and Windows 11 is the latest iteration of it. I really want to avoid this dark future of being a product and constantly getting annoyed at smart tech on the daily. I really wish lots of people would hold out for as long as they can and hopefully the water doesn't get too hot. 

Most users disagree with you. And even large Linux based distros are pushing account joining, and there is less of a reason to do so.

[Donut417]

On 6/30/2023 at 11:37 PM, Chree said:

Windows 10 seems alot better than win 11, it's more stable less power consumption? What's the purpose of win 11?

 

I just tried both back to back in games like Diablo 4 and mw2

 

The fps is almost 10% difference, 

Mw2 was at 180ish on ultra in win 11

 

It was 220 on win 10

 

Diablo 4 with high assets was 186 ultra win 11

 

And 230 with win 10 

And alot less stutter after teleporting or high traffic areas

 

What did win 11 do? What was the upgrade?

 

Couple of things. Windows 10 is no longer getting feature updates. So yeah, it might be a bit more stable based on the fact its pretty much never getting anything new added. Also Windows 10 has been out a lot longer than WIndows 11, they have had time to polish it. Windows 11 they are in active development on. Meaning things are changing all the time. 

 

As far as your performance issues go, it could be a Windows issue or it could be driver related. Maybe see if you can download some older drivers or make sure you have the newest drivers. I know that drivers can effect performance. That being said I have not tried Windows 11 yet, my friend has tried it and said it felt pretty solid. The "Upgrade" I would say is any of the new features it has to offer. I haven't upgraded because my PC does not currently meet the requirements. Technically the hardware can do it, but I need to enable TPM and a few other things to install it. 

 

If WIndows 11 doesn provide what you need then go back to 10. Just bare in mind few are a couple years out from it being unsupported. BUT rumors of WIndows 12 are on the horizon. So who knows what the future will hold.