5500 vs 10400f

[Joker-_-Glitch]

r5 5500 vs 10400f

 

yes yes I know they are "old" cpu (but I have an i5 4690k so these two are "young").

 

which one is better for gaming?

[r00tb33r]

Of the two 5500 should have PCIE 4.0...

 

But if you were to look at 11400F, an argument can be made there as well.

[Agall]

17 minutes ago, Gold_Glitch said:

r5 5500 vs 10400f

 

yes yes I know they are "old" cpu (but I have an i5 4690k so these two are "young").

 

which one is better for gaming?

How about a 12100f instead? Can always upgrade in the future to like a 13600k versus at most a 5800x3D for AM4.

 

Looks like a 12100f and 5500 trade blows, so I'd look at those instead unless the 10400f is markedly cheaper than both (considering the motherboard and RAM included).

[Joker-_-Glitch]

12 minutes ago, Agall said:

How about a 12100f instead? Can always upgrade in the future to like a 13600k versus at most a 5800x3D for AM4.

 

Looks like a 12100f and 5500 trade blows, so I'd look at those instead unless the 10400f is markedly cheaper than both (considering the motherboard and RAM included).

5500 is 90$ (tax and all) new 

12100f is 120$(tax and all )new 

10400f is 90$ new (tax and all)

 

 

 

12100f is 4c 8t and 5500 6c16t, so isn't it better to go to 6t?

[Agall]

9 minutes ago, Gold_Glitch said:

5500 is 90$ (tax and all) new 

12100f is 120$(tax and all )new 

10400f is 90$ new (tax and all)

 

 

 

12100f is 4c 8t and 5500 6c16t, so isn't it better to go to 6t?

12100f has a newer architecture and LGA 1700 support, so core to core comparisons don't result properly. When considering the prices, its more than just the CPU itself since motherboard and supported RAM can vary drastically. LGA 1700 motherboards are the current flagship with more features. LGA 1200 is old enough now to potentially be more expensive since motherboard production and availability start to ramp down after a couple generations and supply/demand can result in higher prices if someone ends up needing to replace a motherboard without buying a whole new platform.

 

Intel Core i3-12100F vs Intel Core i5-10400F Benchmark, comparison and differences (cpu-monkey.com)

 

12100F beats the 10400F in both single and multithreading performance, so a perfect example of how architecture and lithography improvements can negate a core count advantage.

 

R5 5500 has slightly higher multithreading performance but proportionally lower single threaded, where gaming is far more dependent on single threaded performance if there's a sufficient amount of multithreading (which all 3 do in my opinion).

 

Also just getting an LGA 1700 platform will be better in the long run since the 13600k/13700k are very capable CPUs that should eventually get cheap enough to justify a drop in upgrade.

[Joker-_-Glitch]

20 minutes ago, r00tb33r said:

Of the two 5500 should have PCIE 4.0...

 

But if you were to look at 11400F, an argument can be made there as well.

it can be argued, but it is 135$ and 5500 is under 100$

 

rly.Does PCIE 4.0 have 5500?

 

 

[r00tb33r]

1 minute ago, Gold_Glitch said:

it can be argued, but it is 135$ and 5500 is under 100$

 

rly.Does PCIE 4.0 have 5500?

 

 

You're right.  It does not.

 

Best look at a chip that has PCIE 4.0 or 5.0

[Joker-_-Glitch]

7 minutes ago, Agall said:

12100f has a newer architecture and LGA 1700 support, so core to core comparisons don't result properly. When considering the prices, its more than just the CPU itself since motherboard and supported RAM can vary drastically. LGA 1700 motherboards are the current flagship with more features. LGA 1200 is old enough now to potentially be more expensive since motherboard production and availability start to ramp down after a couple generations and supply/demand can result in higher prices if someone ends up needing to replace a motherboard without buying a whole new platform.

 

Intel Core i3-12100F vs Intel Core i5-10400F Benchmark, comparison and differences (cpu-monkey.com)

 

12100F beats the 10400F in both single and multithreading performance, so a perfect example of how architecture and lithography improvements can negate a core count advantage.

 

R5 5500 has slightly higher multithreading performance but proportionally lower single threaded, where gaming is far more dependent on single threaded performance if there's a sufficient amount of multithreading (which all 3 do in my opinion).

 

Also just getting an LGA 1700 platform will be better in the long run since the 13600k/13700k are very capable CPUs that should eventually get cheap enough to justify a drop in upgrade.

I was putting together a build with 12100f and I can't fit it into my budget at all. that is also a small problem

[Agall]

3 minutes ago, Gold_Glitch said:

I was putting together a build with 12100f and I can't fit it into my budget at all. that is also a small problem

Then I'd elect for the 5500 simply for a better upgrade path with AM4 over LGA 1200. Great thing about AM4 is the best CPU for the platform, the 5800x3D, is also one of the most power efficient CPUs available, so it'll run fine even in budget motherboards.

 

Comparably, you'd be getting an absolute monster of a 10900k to max out any LGA 1200 platform, and a motherboard in the budget region with a 10900k wouldn't be worth it. 

[Joker-_-Glitch]

4 minutes ago, r00tb33r said:

You're right.  It does not.

 

Best look at a chip that has PCIE 4.0 or 5.0

yes like for example r5 5600x. but the problem is that I don't have a big budget

[Joker-_-Glitch]

1 minute ago, Agall said:

Then I'd elect for the 5500 simply for a better upgrade path with AM4 over LGA 1200. Great thing about AM4 is the best CPU for the platform, the 5800x3D, is also one of the most power efficient CPUs available, so it'll run fine even in budget motherboards.

I agree with you. when I can I can upgrade to 5800X3d. but upgrading from i5 4690k to r5 5500 i think is a good upgrade

[Agall]

4 minutes ago, Gold_Glitch said:

I agree with you. when I can I can upgrade to 5800X3d. but upgrading from i5 4690k to r5 5500 i think is a good upgrade

Most definitely. Its hard to quantify how significant CPU upgrades can be since it can be so variable, and traditional CPU benchmarking is full of academic and impractical scenarios.

 

 

I created this thread as another source of munitions for people looking to upgrade and show how variable a CPU upgrade can be. In the same game, the framerate variation can go from practically no difference to nearly 3x the framerate, even at 4K ultra.

 

[Joker-_-Glitch]

13 minutes ago, Agall said:

Most definitely. Its hard to quantify how significant CPU upgrades can be since it can be so variable, and traditional CPU benchmarking is full of academic and impractical scenarios.

 

 

I created this thread as another source of munitions for people looking to upgrade and show how variable a CPU upgrade can be. In the same game, the framerate variation can go from practically no difference to nearly 3x the framerate, even at 4K ultra.

 

tnx man for help

[TheDankKoosh]

Make sure to pair that Ryzen 5500 with high quality DDR4 memory to take advantage of the monolithic AMD design compared to the normal chiplet designs

These chips can do ram at 4400mhz (2200 infinity fabric clock) easy and this will prevent any bad stutters and give you a very snappy and responsive system

How much would you be wanting to spend in total?

[Joker-_-Glitch]

10 hours ago, TheDankKoosh said:

Make sure to pair that Ryzen 5500 with high quality DDR4 memory to take advantage of the monolithic AMD design compared to the normal chiplet designs

These chips can do ram at 4400mhz (2200 infinity fabric clock) easy and this will prevent any bad stutters and give you a very snappy and responsive system

How much would you be wanting to spend in total?

max 360$

 

i found some ram ddr4 cl16 3200

 

[TheDankKoosh]

9 hours ago, Gold_Glitch said:

max 360$

 

i found some ram ddr4 cl16 3200

 

This would be what I would purchase at that budget, I'd try to stretch that extra $20 for a quality high-capacity SSD to go along with the system

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VVr3Kp

This would crush any game provided you give it a GPU with enough horsepower

[Joker-_-Glitch]

18 hours ago, TheDankKoosh said:

This would be what I would purchase at that budget, I'd try to stretch that extra $20 for a quality high-capacity SSD to go along with the system

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VVr3Kp

This would crush any game provided you give it a GPU with enough horsepower

why 2x8 and then 1 more tine 2x8 ?

not psu?

[TheDankKoosh]

1 hour ago, Gold_Glitch said:

why 2x8 and then 1 more tine 2x8 ?

not psu?

It's just 2 of the same kit, 32gb of ram is nice to have for certain titles and dual rank operation is superior in a DDR4 system for performance

 

What is your current PSU? You'll likely not need to change it out if it's a quality unit with the power capacity that you need.

[Joker-_-Glitch]

54 minutes ago, TheDankKoosh said:

It's just 2 of the same kit, 32gb of ram is nice to have for certain titles and dual rank operation is superior in a DDR4 system for performance

 

What is your current PSU? You'll likely not need to change it out if it's a quality unit with the power capacity that you need.

but i need new cpu mbo ram psu case (everything except gpu)

 

idk old ms 500w psu

 

32gb ok

 

 

I put together a build (I don't know if I can share it here without getting banned)

 

 

[TheDankKoosh]

8 minutes ago, Gold_Glitch said:

but i need new cpu mbo ram psu case (everything except gpu)

 

idk old ms 500w psu

 

32gb ok

Ah I wasn't aware that you needed a new case and power supply, in that case would it be possible to stretch your budget a bit further? 

I believe you'd be losing out and not getting the best possible price/performance if you went any lower than this parts list https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4stm4s

This will give you most of that performance up front, then you could spend ~$90 down the line and get a matching ram kit and new cooler

[Joker-_-Glitch]

22 minutes ago, TheDankKoosh said:

Ah I wasn't aware that you needed a new case and power supply, in that case would it be possible to stretch your budget a bit further? 

I believe you'd be losing out and not getting the best possible price/performance if you went any lower than this parts list https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4stm4s

This will give you most of that performance up front, then you could spend ~$90 down the line and get a matching ram kit and new cooler

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2bVqxs

I saved a little

 

 

I'm trying to increase my budget. but 400 is too much for me. try to find a used case

[TheDankKoosh]

6 minutes ago, Gold_Glitch said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2bVqxs

I saved a little

I'd say swapping the SSD is your only good option in this list, that PSU that you've suggested is a well disguised bomb, and spending $5 more on a easier to work with case with 2 more fans is a no-brainer.

Swapping to that 3200 LPX crap will have performance repercussions, especially if you want to upgrade your GPU https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FxWnW4

[Joker-_-Glitch]

17 minutes ago, TheDankKoosh said:

I'd say swapping the SSD is your only good option in this list, that PSU that you've suggested is a well disguised bomb, and spending $5 more on a easier to work with case with 2 more fans is a no-brainer.

Swapping to that 3200 LPX crap will have performance repercussions, especially if you want to upgrade your GPU https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FxWnW4

gpu upgrade not really in the near future (and I can't get a 3060ti because of the bottleneck).

 

 

 

 

thanks for your help old man

[TheDankKoosh]

5 hours ago, Gold_Glitch said:

gpu upgrade not really in the near future (and I can't get a 3060ti because of the bottleneck).

 

 

 

 

thanks for your help old man

Lmao you're welcome little tyke, I think you'll be pretty satisfied with the rig as I configured and it'll last you awhile. Also I'm not old just cause I wasn't born this century