PC Upgrade, first time asking in a Forum :-)

[Ronnmann]

Hello, im just in pain because i dont know what to upgrade right now...

Specs: 

MSI B360-A Pro Mainboard

Intel Core i7-9700KF

G.Skill Aegis 16 Gigs of ram, of course 2x8. Speed is 2666Mhz

RTX 3060 12Gb from KFA2

Samsung 970 Evo Plus SSD (OS)

 

My Scenario is, i have an 1440P 180Hz Monitor and play a lot of shooters but want to enjoy Story games at 1440P as well. In Apex Legends for example i get 180fps permanent but only if i play in 1080P very low settings. I guess my GPU is too weak for 1440P high FPS, thats what i hear online at least. 

 

Question is, does it make more sense to upgrade my GPU to a 4070TI or something like that or does it make more sense if i Upgrade to a different platform like an i7-13700K, Z790 Mainboard, and 5600Mhz Ram and Keep the RTX 3060 for a few months? 

 

I know that the Processor is getting less important at higher Resolutions, but i dont know if this 5 Year old CPU is still good enough for an 4070 TI MAYBE an 4080. (I play often on big 4K Tv's, thats why i mention the 4080)

[Hinjima]

1 minute ago, Ronnmann said:

Hello, im just in pain because i dont know what to upgrade right now...

Specs: 

MSI B360-A Pro Mainboard

Intel Core i7-9700KF

G.Skill Aegis 16 Gigs of ram, of course 2x8. Speed is 2666Mhz

RTX 3060 12Gb from KFA2

Samsung 970 Evo Plus SSD (OS)

 

My Scenario is, i have an 1440P 180Hz Monitor and play a lot of shooters but want to enjoy Story games at 1440P as well. In Apex Legends for example i get 180fps permanent but only if i play in 1080P very low settings. I guess my GPU is too weak for 1440P high FPS, thats what i hear online at least. 

 

Question is, does it make more sense to upgrade my GPU to a 4070TI or something like that or does it make more sense if i Upgrade to a different platform like an i7-13700K, Z790 Mainboard, and 5600Mhz Ram and Keep the RTX 3060 for a few months? 

 

I know that the Processor is getting less important at higher Resolutions, but i dont know if this 5 Year old CPU is still good enough for an 4070 TI MAYBE an 4080. (I play often on big 4K Tv's, thats why i mention the 4080)

As someone who had a 9900k@5.1ghz all core overclock with a 4080, I would advice you to go 13700k or 7600-7700/x from AMD.  The 9900k just couldn't keep up with the my 4080 and it was a stuttery crapfest ( microstutters ) and insane low 1% lows.  Upgrading to a 7700x saw a decent leap in avg FPS and the stutters were completely gone.

[Ronnmann]

2 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

As someone who had a 9900k@5.1ghz all core overclock with a 4080, I would advice you to go 13700k or 7600-7700/x from AMD.  The 9900k just couldn't keep up with the my 4080 and it was a stuttery crapfest ( microstutters ) and insane low 1% lows.  Upgrading to a 7700x saw a decent leap in avg FPS and the stutters were completely gone.

Geez that was fast, so can i expect even a little more performance from my 3060 with the new platform? i dont get a lot of stutters but the games will perform better?

[Hinjima]

5 minutes ago, Ronnmann said:

Geez that was fast, so can i expect even a little more performance from my 3060 with the new platform? i dont get a lot of stutters but the games will perform better?

The 9700k and the 3060 pairs well together. I doubt you will see much improvement in max framerate, maybe a little.  A newer CPU will push the 3060 to its limits ( That's a good thing ) and allowing it to give it its all.   Do you have a budget for what you want or a particular upgrade you want to do?

[Ronnmann]

2 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

The 9700k and the 3060 pairs well together. I doubt you will see much improvement in max framerate, maybe a little.  A newer CPU will push the 3060 to its limits ( That's a good thing ) and allowing it to give it its all.   Do you have a budget for what you want or a particular upgrade you want to do?

I've got 1000 to 1200€ to spend, the most annoying thing for me right now is that i need to play Apex in crap Quality to get my full 180Hz, and to buy the 4070 isn't that good of a idea right?  Thanks btw.

[Hinjima]

1 minute ago, Ronnmann said:

I've got 1000 to 1200€ to spend, the most annoying thing for me right now is that i need to play Apex in crap Quality to get my full 180Hz, and to buy the 4070 isn't that good of a idea right?  Thanks btw.

Totally understandable! Thats why I bought a 4080 and went all out myself    What PSU do you have, and what CPU cooler? Things can be reused.

[Ronnmann]

Just now, Hinjima said:

Totally understandable! Thats why I bought a 4080 and went all out myself    What PSU do you have?

haha right... a 600W Be Quiet system Power 9.
WAS really enough for 2018 haha

[Ronnmann]

Just now, Ronnmann said:

haha right... a 600W Be Quiet system Power 9.
WAS really enough for 2018 haha

i know that i need to upgrade that

 

[Ronnmann]

4 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

Totally understandable! Thats why I bought a 4080 and went all out myself    What PSU do you have, and what CPU cooler? Things can be reused.

a damn cooler sorry, probably need to upgrade that as well, got a Dark Rock 2 right now

[Hinjima]

7 minutes ago, Ronnmann said:

i know that i need to upgrade that

 

600w is enough for a 4070, it only draws 200w.    Something like this would give you major boost.  Reusing PSU and the case. The 7600 comes with a cooler but you can use another cooler if you want. Dark Rock 2 will be enough for the 7600.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BZdT6r  You can see in these benchmarks that the 7600 keeps up with the big boy CPU's in 1080p and 1440p with a damn 4090!  10 game average.   This is just a suggestion of course

[Ronnmann]

1 minute ago, Hinjima said:

600w is enough for a 4070, it only draws 200w.    Something like this would give you major boost.  Resuing PSU and the case. The 7600 comes with a cooler but you can use another cooler if you want.

Yeah well, the 4070 isn't that great for high fps 1440p and 60fps 4K right? i got that amount of money now so i want to buy for the future, so the Platform upgrade is my best choice then hm? It does not make sense for me to buy a very good mid range to high end GPU with a i7-9700KF, the gpu can wait a bit i wanna buy a high end GPU and my CPU just isnt good enough am i right? I'm going to sell my old parts to friends anyway, they won't collect dust  

[Hinjima]

6 minutes ago, Ronnmann said:

Yeah well, the 4070 isn't that great for high fps 1440p and 60fps 4K right? i got that amount of money now so i want to buy for the future, so the Platform upgrade is my best choice then hm? It does not make sense for me to buy a very good mid range to high end GPU with a i7-9700KF, the gpu can wait a bit i wanna buy a high end GPU and my CPU just isnt good enough am i right? I'm going to sell my old parts to friends anyway, they won't collect dust  

the 4070 absolutely destroys 1440p high fps at good quality settings.  Platform upgrade is your best choice, no doubt.  As you self said, the 9700k is 5 years old and was already on an old processing node ( 6700k skylake +14nm node ).  If you want to wait with the GPU and just do a platform change then you can definitely do so.   If you are selling your parts you can maybe throw in a 4070ti and a 750w PSU in the budget?
Very long benchmark video here, I think the 4070 does alright in 1440p!  Remember that Ultra quality preset usually tanks performance for very very little visual gain and games are optimized for high / very high settings.   Watch this video for a bit and have a look, I'll be around for a while

 

[Ronnmann]

6 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

the 4070 absolutely destroys 1440p high fps at good quality settings.  Platform upgrade is your best choice, no doubt.  As you self said, the 9700k is 5 years old and was already on an old processing node ( 6700k skylake +14nm node ).  If you want to wait with the GPU and just do a platform change then you can definitely do so.   If you are selling your parts you can maybe throw in a 4070ti and a 750w PSU in the budget?
Very long benchmark video here, I think the 4070 does alright in 1440p!  Remember that Ultra quality preset usually tanks performance for very very little visual gain and games are optimized for high / very high settings. 

 

Thats a good video, i've spend my past day looking for benchmarks etc. 

before i opened this Thread i was intending to buy this:

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/LMYCGL

any flaws? in the build you have sent there was the gpu inclusive, but i hear so many youtubers, that say that you should not buy the normal 4070 at this price right now so i dont know ahh, that extra 300€ more for the 4070TI is so much better from the price to performance is it not?

 

[Hinjima]

7 minutes ago, Ronnmann said:

Thats a good video, i've spend my past day looking for benchmarks etc. 

before i opened this Thread i was intending to buy this:

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/LMYCGL

any flaws? in the build you have sent there was the gpu inclusive, but i hear so many youtubers, that say that you should not buy the normal 4070 at this price right now so i dont know ahh, that extra 300€ more for the 4070TI is so much better from the price to performance is it not?

 

Perhaps. Its all comes down to how much you are willing to spend.  I have always been thinking that I will always get the most expensive GPU I can afford, if you can spend the 300 bucks extra for a 4070ti then do so, you will have the GPU for 4 years at least? 300 euros over 4 years is ''not a lot of money''.  I see you are quite set on getting intel system, I just can't recommend intel at the moment for a platform change.  There is no upgrade path, you are stuck with 13th gen!  If you go AMD AM5 and lets say a 7600, you can upgrade to a newer CPU in 4 years ( they will support the socket with new CPU's until 2025 ) So lets say in 4 years you put in a 9800X3D or whatever they have and buy an RTX 6070ti, No need to change anything else and then you got a 'brand new' system ready for 4-5 more years.  But yes, if you want to go intel then that list you linked will do very well Very competent gaming CPU that 13600k.

[Ronnmann]

1 minute ago, Hinjima said:

Perhaps. Its all comes down to how much you are willing to spend.  I have always been thinking that I will always get the most expensive GPU I can afford, if you can spend the 300 bucks extra for a 4070ti then do so, you will have the GPU for 4 years at least? 300 euros over 4 years is ''not a lot of money''.  I see you are quite set on getting intel system, I just can't recommend intel at the moment for a platform change.  There is no upgrade path, you are stuck with 13th gen!  If you go AMD AM5 and lets say a 7600, you can upgrade to a newer CPU in 4 years ( they will support the socket with new CPU's until 2025 ) So lets say in 4 years you put in a 9800X3D or whatever they have and buy an RTX 6070ti, No need to change anything else and then you got a 'brand new' system ready for 4-5 more years.

Alright geez did not knew that Amd is so future proof, but are some of them not exploding right now?  

So the Ryzen 5 7600 has enough Speeed and power (Clarkson pun intended) to run future GPU's and the Mainboard is enough as well? 

[191x7]

I don't see the recommendation for adding more RAM. Add more RAM. 16GB might not be enough for some games.

[Hinjima]

9 minutes ago, Ronnmann said:

Alright geez did not knew that Amd is so future proof, but are some of them not exploding right now?  

So the Ryzen 5 7600 has enough Speeed and power (Clarkson pun intended) to run future GPU's and the Mainboard is enough as well? 

Absolutely. The 7600 is one heck of a chip.  I pair a 7700x ( like 5% faster in gaming? ) with my 4080 and its such a good experience.  AM5 is definitely more future proof.   7600 might fall behind with lets say a future 6070ti but as mentioned you can buy a 9600 in 4-5 years and be good to go again. Only the X3D's are  'exploding' and its down to the BIOS ( BIOS updates are out to solve this ).  No need to worry.

 

[Hinjima]

2 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

I don't see the recommendation for adding more RAM. Add more RAM. 16GB might not be enough for some games.

Both of the PcPartPicker list posted in this thread by me and @Ronnmann ( OP ) has had 32GB RAM in them.

[Ronnmann]

 

5 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

Absolutely. The 7600 is one heck of a chip.  I pair a 7700x ( like 5% faster in gaming? ) with my 4080 and its such a good experience.  AM5 is definitely more future proof.   7600 might fall behind with lets say a future 6070ti but as mentioned you can buy a 9600 in 4-5 years and be good to go again. Only the X3D's are  'exploding' and its down to the BIOS ( BIOS updates are out to solve this ).  No need to worry.

 

Well that Processor is insane for that price, 222€ here in GER. 

 

Based on your help i would buy this config (The CPU, Mainboard and Ram) and would upgrade the GPU and PSU later. THe PSU and GPU in the Config are mine i just added those as well. 

 

Is that a good idea? 

i just googled these stupid Bottleneck calculators, they are terrible misleading.

[Ronnmann]

11 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

Both of the PcPartPicker list posted in this thread by me and @Ronnmann ( OP ) has had 32GB RAM in them.

Just now, Ronnmann said:

 

Well that Processor is insane for that price, 222€ here in GER. 

 

Based on your help i would buy this config (The CPU, Mainboard and Ram) and would upgrade the GPU and PSU later. THe PSU and GPU in the Config are mine i just added those as well. 

 

Is that a good idea? 

i just googled these stupid Bottleneck calculators, they are terrible misleading.

im stupid xd https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/BrbQXy

 

[Hinjima]

1 minute ago, Ronnmann said:

 

Well that Processor is insane for that price, 222€ here in GER. 

 

Based on your help i would buy this config (The CPU, Mainboard and Ram) and would upgrade the GPU and PSU later. THe PSU and GPU in the Config are mine i just added those as well. 

 

Is that a good idea? 

i just googled these stupid Bottleneck calculators, they are terrible misleading.

Yeah for the price its an insane powerhouse, its absolutely incredible.  Dont bother too much with the bottleneck calculators, they are very misleading sometimes indeed. 

[Hinjima]

2 minutes ago, Ronnmann said:

im stupid xd https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/BrbQXy

 

That part list looks very good!  I actually own that ASUS TUF B650 PLUS motherboard and I have used it in 7 other builds for other people as well without any issues, I love it. Let me quickly check the motherboards QVL ( Memory compatability list ) to see if that RAM you / I chose is listed there ( It was more of a DDR5 32GB placeholder )

[Ronnmann]

1 minute ago, Hinjima said:

That part list looks very good!  I actually own that ASUS TUF B650 PLUS motherboard and I have used it in 7 other builds for other people as well without any issues, I love it. Let me quickly check the motherboards QVL ( Memory compatability list ) to see if that RAM you / I chose is listed there ( It was more of a DDR5 32GB placeholder )

Niiice thank you man 

[Hinjima]

Just now, Ronnmann said:

Niiice thank you man 

Its listed in green, good to go  

[Ronnmann]

2 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

Its listed in green, good to go  

I googled the processor and it says it goes up to 5200mhz ram, for more i just need to enable the quivalent of XMP for AMD Cpu's right?