I finally realized why AM4 is one of the best platforms ever

[DeadnightWarrior]

Long story short: I've been using a Ryzen 5 2400G on a B350 motherboard, with 16Gb of DDR4 3200 RAM and a 4Gb RX580 for about 5 years. I never had anything to complain about, but I felt it was time to upgrade a couple of things.
 

I just installed a Ryzen 5 5600 and an RX6600 (both "non X"), keeping everything else as it was: performance has DOUBLED overnight, in both productivity and gaming tests. I mean 100+ percent more performance with just a mid tier CPU and a mid/low tier GPU. And this is while using one of the "worst" chipsets to pair a 5000 series Ryzen with!

Now, to be honest I don't remember seeing this much improvement, not only using the same physical socket but the same chipset as well. MAYBE in the Pentium II / III era you could have similar results swapping a low tier P2 with a high frequency P3 but that was over 20 years ago.

A platform allowing this kind of uplift with two simple drop in upgrades after 5 years, to me is nothing short of amazing!

[YoungBlade]

I think it's very possible AM4 will go down in history as the best socket ever. This is sort of sad, though, because that means that I expect AMD and Intel will never give consumers something this valuable ever again, but we should all be happy to have had AM4 while it lasted.

 

Congratulations on the upgrade! I hope it gives you another 5+ years of use.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

3 minutes ago, DeadnightWarrior said:

Long story short: I've been using a Ryzen 5 2400G on a B350 motherboard, with 16Gb of DDR4 3200 RAM and a 4Gb RX580 for about 5 years. I never had anything to complain about but I felt it was time to upgrade a couple of things.
 

I just installed a Ryzen 5 5600 and an RX6600 (both "non X"), keeping everything else as it was: performance has DOUBLED overnight, in both productivity and gaming tests. I mean 100+ percent more performance with just a mid tier CPU and a mid/low tier GPU. And this is while using one of the "worst" chipsets to pair a 5000 series Ryzen with!

Now, to be honest I don't remember seeing this much improvement, not only using the same physical socket but the same chipset as well. MAYBE in the Pentium II / III era you could have similar results swapping a low tier P2 with a high frequency P3 but that was over 20 years ago.

A platform allowing this kind of uplift with two simple drop in upgrades after 5 years, to me is nothing short of amazing!

AM4 is GOATED. The 5800x3d keeps up with the 7700x/13600k very well. One of the best platforms ever IMO. The 5600 is insanely good for the price too.

 

I do think however that AM4 machines are going to be significantly outclassed by Zen 5/Arrow Lake. People slotting in 5600/5800x3d thinking they'll get 10 more years out of Am4 are delusional. 5 more years? Sure, bring it on. But the 2024/2025 CPUs are going to be insanely insanely good

[ValkyrOG]

5600/5600x is gonna be like the 2500K was, really good for a very long time

[Uttamattamakin]

18 minutes ago, DeadnightWarrior said:

Now, to be honest I don't remember seeing this much improvement, not only using the same physical socket but the same chipset as well. MAYBE in the Pentium II / III era you could have similar results swapping a low tier P2 with a high frequency P3 but that was over 20 years ago.

A platform allowing this kind of uplift with two simple drop in upgrades after 5 years, to me is nothing short of amazing!

AM4 was in a way like a return to the days of, and leading up to Super Socket 7.  Back then every PC CPU maker used the same socket as Intel.  You could install a Chip from AMD into a socket that intel would not put a Pentium in and get Pentium like performance.  You could install an AMD or Cyrix chip into a Pc that was a couple years old (which at that time was like being 5-10 years old now) and get a huge boost.  All while keeping the vast majority of your hardware. 

It used to be utterly normal to upgrade your CPU 2-3 years latter and get a huge boost like that. 

IMHO... it would benefit consumers, businesses, and the environment if this was the way it was again. Instead now we buy whole laptops that cannot be fixed and toss them when they get a TINY crack in the screen and what not.  

 

14 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

I think it's very possible AM4 will go down in history as the best socket ever. This is sort of sad, though, because that means that I expect AMD and Intel will never give consumers something this valuable ever again, but we should all be happy to have had AM4 while it lasted.

 

Congratulations on the upgrade! I hope it gives you another 5+ years of use.

Best of the 2010's  at least. 

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

Just now, ValkyrOG said:

5600/5600x is gonna be like the 2500K was, really good for a very long time

Eh. 5 years? Sure. 10+ years like 2500k? Nope. As much as I love me some AM4, Zen 5/Arrow lake are going to be some of the biggest IPC jumps in history all while increasing core count. That's only 1.5 years out or less. Imagine a 14600k with 8 p cores, 24 e cores, boosts to 6.3 ghz and has a 30-40% IPC improvement. That makes Zen 4 irrelevant overnight let alone Zen 3/Alder Lake etc.

 

The 5600/5800x3d are great "buy me some time on AM4" chips though. But the 2500k was legitimately competitive for 10+ years. Intel got complacent and AMD was nowhere to be seen is why that chip survived so long. With Intel/Ryzen competition alive and well, it's likely the 5600 is completely outclassed in every conceivable way in a few years tops.

[ValkyrOG]

Just now, ShawtyT30beTHICCC said:

Eh. 5 years? Sure. 10+ years like 2500k? Nope. As much as I love me some AM4, Zen 5/Arrow lake are going to be some of the biggest IPC jumps in history all while increasing core count. That's only 1.5 years out or less. Imagine a 14600k with 8 p cores, 24 e cores, boosts to 6.3 ghz and has a 30-40% IPC improvement. That makes Zen 4 irrelevant overnight let alone Zen 3/Alder Lake etc.

 

The 5600/5800x3d are great "buy me some time on AM4" chips though. But the 2500k was legitimately competitive for 10+ years. Intel got complacent and AMD was nowhere to be seen is why that chip survived so long. With Intel/Ryzen competition alive and well, it's likely the 5600 is completely outclassed in every conceivable way in a few years tops.

yeah i kinda see why but, i think these 5000 series ryzen's will stick by for a veeeeeery long time, it is an amazing time for anyone interested in CPUs though, love to see all this competition

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

1 minute ago, ValkyrOG said:

yeah i kinda see why but, i think these 5000 series ryzen's will stick by for a veeeeeery long time, it is an amazing time for anyone interested in CPUs though, love to see all this competition

Oh yeah definitely. They will still be extremely good low end chips and will do just fine at 4k gaming or whatever. Something not super cpu intensive. High refresh 1440p/1080p? Nope. I just don't think there will ever be another 2500k again at our current rate of advancement. Arrow lake is essentially like a quadruple node shrink in 1.5 gens. It's going from Intel 7 (10nm) to intel 20a (2nm). Zen 5 will be on 3/4nm but will be a brand new arc. and they have 3d cache too. It's an AMAZING time for cpus. Golden age even, perhaps.

[Tigrou]

12 minutes ago, ValkyrOG said:

5600/5600x is gonna be like the 2500K was, really good for a very long time

Agree. I had that CPU from 2012 until 2019 and was able to run AAA games without worry. I only had to update GPU 2 times (as expected).

  

1 minute ago, ShawtyT30beTHICCC said:

Oh yeah definitely. They will still be extremely good low end chips and will do just fine at 4k gaming or whatever. Something not super cpu intensive. High refresh 1440p/1080p? Nope. I just don't think there will ever be another 2500k again at our current rate of advancement. Arrow lake is essentially like a quadruple node shrink in 1.5 gens. It's going from Intel 7 (10nm) to intel 20a (2nm). Zen 5 will be on 3/4nm but will be a brand new arc. and they have 3d cache too. It's an AMAZING time for cpus. Golden age even, perhaps.

Also to be expected is Intel to release their L4 eDRAM cache. It might be just as good as AMD 3d cache. 

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

2 minutes ago, Tigrou said:

Agree. I had that CPU from 2012 until 2019 and was able to run AAA games without worry. I only had to update GPU 2 times (as expected).

Those days are over I'm afraid. The 5600 came out in 2020. By 2027 there will be Intel 16a (Sub 2nm) and Ryzen 2nm chips with 24+ core I5s and 16+ core Ryzen 5's. Yay competition

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

5 minutes ago, Tigrou said:

Also to be expected is Intel to release their L4 eDRAM cache. It might be just as good as AMD 3d cache. 

Exciting stuff definitely. I do believe AMD is going to be outclassed again starting with Arrow Lake. They will be competitive +- 10-20%, but outclassed nonetheless. Intel is Goliath to AMD's David after all. They just wasted so much time on 14nm and had so many issues with 10nm.

[PDifolco]

42 minutes ago, ShawtyT30beTHICCC said:

Those days are over I'm afraid. The 5600 came out in 2020. By 2027 there will be Intel 16a (Sub 2nm) and Ryzen 2nm chips with 24+ core I5s and 16+ core Ryzen 5's. Yay competition

Not sure it'll go that way, I mean even in 5 years time there still won't be a lot of uses for 24 cores in retail market, unless game technology is revolutionized and can finally use them, which is not probable

Else the core market will be around 8-12 cores as people won't spend money on useless cores

 

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

2 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Not sure it'll go that way, I mean even in 5 years time there still won't be a lot of uses for 24 cores in retail market, unless game technology is revolutionized and can finally use them, which is not probable

Else the core market will be around 8-12 cores as people won't spend money on useless cores

 

Next gen consoles will have a minimum of 12 cores and be released in 2026-2027 or so

[PDifolco]

Just now, ShawtyT30beTHICCC said:

Next gen consoles will have a minimum of 12 cores and be released in 2026-2027 or so

What will the cores do ? Nearly no game uses more than 6, maybe 8 max ...

[Holmes108]

28 minutes ago, ShawtyT30beTHICCC said:

Next gen consoles will have a minimum of 12 cores and be released in 2026-2027 or so

 

I'm sure these chips will be dwarfed in power on paper, it's more a matter of how many games take advantage, or even require it. Games have been scaling up in power demand pretty slowly over the last bunch of years compared to the old days.

[Ripred]

1 hour ago, ShawtyT30beTHICCC said:

AM4 is GOATED. The 5800x3d keeps up with the 7700x/13600k very well. One of the best platforms ever IMO. The 5600 is insanely good for the price too.

 

I do think however that AM4 machines are going to be significantly outclassed by Zen 5/Arrow Lake. People slotting in 5600/5800x3d thinking they'll get 10 more years out of Am4 are delusional. 5 more years? Sure, bring it on. But the 2024/2025 CPUs are going to be insanely insanely good

How long these systems last will vary from person to person, depending on the games they want to play and software they run, and how those programs are developed will have an impact aswell

[Ripred]

1 hour ago, ShawtyT30beTHICCC said:

Exciting stuff definitely. I do believe AMD is going to be outclassed again starting with Arrow Lake. They will be competitive +- 10-20%, but outclassed nonetheless. Intel is Goliath to AMD's David after all. They just wasted so much time on 14nm and had so many issues with 10nm.

Both companies are taking different routes so I think it wont be as simple as who outclasses who, it'll be highly dependent on how software is developed going forward, I'm thinking the conversation will become even more skewed, much less about who outclasses who and much more what programs, games are you running, much like the conversation of what vehicle to buy such as are you street racing or mudding? the question will be cache vs clocks 

[PDifolco]

15 hours ago, Ripred said:

Both companies are taking different routes so I think it wont be as simple as who outclasses who, it'll be highly dependent on how software is developed going forward, I'm thinking the conversation will become even more skewed, much less about who outclasses who and much more what programs, games are you running, much like the conversation of what vehicle to buy such as are you street racing or mudding? the question will be cache vs clocks 

I'm pretty confident in AMD ability to overcome or at least stay on par with Intel, they did way more progress than Intel in the last 10 years, with many new concepts and features (more cores for gaming chips, durable platform, chiplet design, 3D cache, better efficiency...), Intel was struggling to keep up from 2018 to 2021 until their "new" hybrid architecture that isn't that creative (just smaller/slow cores to avoid reaching excessive power draw when adding cores...still no Intel chip has more than 8 "full" cores...)

[Tigrou]

It is impressive how the number of cores in CPU has increased in recent years (thanks to AMD).

Six years ago (2017), Intel's highest-end processor (Core I7) was the 7700K which is 4C/8T. It has been like that for years.

Today, 4C/8T is the entry level (Core I3) and highest-end (13900K) has 24 Cores.