AORUS Z790 ELITE AX rev 1.1 - BIOS stutter/freeze

[NamelessGod]

TDLR : AORUS Z790 ELITE AX rev 1.1 on all BIOS verions is stuttering/freezing when running with a i9-13900kF and a 3080 GPU

Hello!
I've recently upgraded my custom build by updating it to the latest Intel 13th-gen lineup.
As said in the title, I bought a new AORUS Z790 ELITE AX motherboard with an i9-13900kf and used my old 3080 for the GPU.
I have also bought new DDR5 modules (Kingston Fury 4x32GB 6000MT/s CL36-38-38) to take full advantage of the new CPU.
To my surprise, when booting up to the BIOS, the GUI is weirdly freezing/running at low frame counts.
I updated it to version FDa, tried enabling/disabling XMP/EXPO, and even reset the BIOS by removing the CMOS while the PSU was unplugged, which worked and reset the BIOS without fixing the issue.
My CPU is running at a nice 38C in the BIOS so i'm not really sure what could be causing this.
Could it be because my CPU doesn't have Integrated Graphics and GPU video output is somewhat not working properly?
I know that the GPU is working fine since it was working flawlessly in my previous rig.

I can still return the motherboard / CPU so should I switch it or buy a new motherboard?

 

Thanks in advance

Build : 

Gigabyte AORUS Z790 ELITE AX
Intel i9-13900kf
Kingston Fury 6000MT/s CL36-38-38 - 4x32GB
MSI 3080 Ventus 3X
Samsung 980 Pro - 2TB

Seagate IronWolf Pro - 8TB
Noctua NH-D15 Chromax

[Bob__]

14 minutes ago, NamelessGod said:

Noctua NH-D15 Chromax

Good luck with that, my i5-13600K thermal throttles with this cooler. (Not Noctuas fault but rather a shit IHS issue)

[Bob__]

15 minutes ago, NamelessGod said:

I can still return the motherboard / CPU so should I switch it or buy a new motherboard?

 

Try this because it really wouldnt cost you much and would tell you which part is dead if you do it incrementally 

[filpo]

19 minutes ago, NamelessGod said:

Could it be because my CPU doesn't have Integrated Graphics and GPU video output is somewhat not working properly?

Have u installed your drivers or used ddu?

 

19 minutes ago, NamelessGod said:

I know that the GPU is working fine since it was working flawlessly in my previous rig.

I can still return the motherboard / CPU so should I switch it or buy a new motherboard?

Don’t do it yet, wait for some more suggestions. Also have u tried resetting cmos? 

[IkeaGnome]

What does it do if you only have 1 stick of ram installed?

[NamelessGod]

25 minutes ago, filpo said:

Have u installed your drivers or used ddu?

 

Don’t do it yet, wait for some more suggestions. Also have u tried resetting cmos? 

Fresh install on windows 11, after the attorious bootup times, it actually bsod twice when I wasn't stress-testing it

Yes, as said, I already reset the CMOS by removing the battery

[NamelessGod]

19 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

What does it do if you only have 1 stick of ram installed?

I'll try but the RAM is under the D15 so I would have to remove it to be able to only have 1 ram stick, and I dont have enough thermal paste at hand to be able to remount it properly after that

[IkeaGnome]

2 minutes ago, NamelessGod said:

I'll try but the RAM is under the D15 so I would have to remove it to be able to only have 1 ram stick, and I dont have enough thermal paste at hand to be able to remount it properly after that

My thought behind that is that our gigabyte boards have a hard time with ram. I’ve got the Aorus Elite AX and can hardly get some early DDR5 to run at 5200 with 4 sticks. 2 sticks and it does it just fine. 
4 sticks of DDR5 in general is a lot for Intel and AMDs memory controllers and a lot of the gigabyte boards seem to make it worse. 

[NamelessGod]

33 minutes ago, Bob__ said:

Try this because it really wouldnt cost you much and would tell you which part is dead if you do it incrementally 

It's what I will do, probably going to get another z790 from another manufacturer at the same time (asus or msi) since I'm already familiar with their BIOS.
Since I'm returning 1/2 of the components already, what do you reckon I should get for the cooler if the beefiest air-cooler will not be enough? I'm mainly used air-cooled solutions in the past so what do you reckon I should get for a cooling solution?

[NamelessGod]

5 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

My thought behind that is that our gigabyte boards have a hard time with ram. I’ve got the Aorus Elite AX and can hardly get some early DDR5 to run at 5200 with 4 sticks. 2 sticks and it does it just fine. 
4 sticks of DDR5 in general is a lot for Intel and AMDs memory controllers and a lot of the gigabyte boards seem to make it worse. 

Thanks for the info, ill definitly switch to another motherboard brand then, do you recommand any other models that would have better support (something like Asus or MSI) that would be under 500$? Of what I've seen, z790 chipset mb get real pricey real fast which is why I tried this one...

[Bob__]

7 minutes ago, NamelessGod said:

It's what I will do, probably going to get another z790 from another manufacturer at the same time (asus or msi) since I'm already familiar with their BIOS.
Since I'm returning 1/2 of the components already, what do you reckon I should get for the cooler if the beefiest air-cooler will not be enough? I'm mainly used air-cooled solutions in the past so what do you reckon I should get for a cooling solution?

arctic liquid freezer ii 360 

[IkeaGnome]

1 minute ago, NamelessGod said:

Thanks for the info, ill definitly switch to another motherboard brand then, do you recommand any other models that would have better support (something like Asus or MSI) that would be under 500$? Of what I've seen, z790 chipset mb get real pricey real fast which is why I tried this one...

I’ve seen good things said about the MSI pro. 
You also don’t need a z790. Could go with a z690 to save some cash and just update the bios. Almost all 690 boards will have a bios flashback. 
What I would do is return ram kit and motherboard. Get a 2x32 kit and your motherboard of choice. Depending on your work load the d15 will do fine. Just give the 13900k a little less power. Pick up a bend correcting frame and if you stick with the d15 some more thermal paste. 
 

Something to keep in mind about the 13900k is that you can thermal throttle it on any cooling solution just about. Mine is in a custom loop and at stock settings still can thermal throttle under synthetic loads. Yes an AIO will do better and get some more performance. 
 

Depending on your work load a 13700k probably makes more sense honestly. 

[NamelessGod]

16 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

I’ve seen good things said about the MSI pro. 
You also don’t need a z790. Could go with a z690 to save some cash and just update the bios. Almost all 690 boards will have a bios flashback. 
What I would do is return ram kit and motherboard. Get a 2x32 kit and your motherboard of choice. Depending on your work load the d15 will do fine. Just give the 13900k a little less power. Pick up a bend correcting frame and if you stick with the d15 some more thermal paste. 
 

Something to keep in mind about the 13900k is that you can thermal throttle it on any cooling solution just about. Mine is in a custom loop and at stock settings still can thermal throttle under synthetic loads. Yes an AIO will do better and get some more performance. 
 

Depending on your work load a 13700k probably makes more sense honestly. 

I wanted the newer/better chipset for longevity, my previous rig was from 2018 with the 8700k so I don't mind paying a bit more as long as it last.
I do need the amount of ram / cpu because I'm doing something related to game development and therefore my old CPU was really starting to struggle when I had a game running with multiple instance of Visual Studio (IDE) and a game editor all running / compiling at the same time

I probably could throttle it but then I would lose performance and that wasn't the goal of this build.

I'll probably go with a ASUS ROG STRIX Z790-F / arctic liquid freezer ii 360 as Bob__ recommended and will update here when I get them installed / tested