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Temperature Check for Custom Loop

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4 minutes ago, NorKris said:

what is ur GPU temps when running 10m full res furmark? 

With just the GPU loaded, 55C maxed.

 

When gaming, loading both CPU and GPU, it can reach 60C.

I had the fans as all intake because major parts are already cooled by the loop, so I thought all cooled fresh air for radiator takes priority. Let the heat just escape through where ever it can.

 

2 minutes ago, johnno23 said:

I think your solution is solid.....your temps were ok but the limits with regards to how long you could keep the system pushing to its max before the fluid temps rose too high have now been removed. I expect that you could run any tests you like and hit a stable temp and simply stay there for hours on end without any concerns.

I do not know your location but if you have crippling heat in the summer months you could help by adding a fan at the back just to assist with moving air out of the system. the fan could be mounted on the outside so it would not impact your ti op rad and fans.3 points to secure the fan are enough and all 3 point i n the phot are easily accessable. If you are in europe you can ignorte the fan idea completely. but if in a geo location where temps are extreme it is just an extra source for removing internal air rapifly from the case thats all.

Also your 7900x has I believea target temp of 95c for optimal performance and that you are keeping it to 90c is excellent.

20C room temperature almost year round, I am in New York US.

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5 minutes ago, Pikatchu said:

With just the GPU loaded, 55C maxed.

 

When gaming, loading both CPU and GPU, it can reach 60C.

I had the fans as all intake because major parts are already cooled by the loop, so I thought all cooled fresh air for radiator takes priority. Let the heat just escape through where ever it can.

this is the 100% best way of doing it! only thing that u could have done better is to have fans as push and not pull, pull is worse by a few c.

 

i mean 60C is abit high, could there be a buildup of anything in a block? hmm

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24 minutes ago, NorKris said:

misinformation

That is not true.

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20 minutes ago, NorKris said:

this is the 100% best way of doing it! only thing that u could have done better is to have fans as push and not pull, pull is worse by a few c.

 

i mean 60C is abit high, could there be a buildup of anything in a block? hmm

It is a new block, so I doubt there is build up.

I inspected it with just eye sight, it looks clean enough.

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9 minutes ago, NorKris said:

ok, then what u said is just wrong then 😛 

Which part? That the rads are recirculating the heat back into the case? That the air is being heated by the rads? That turning the top rad around will help with the temps? You might successfully prove the last one wrong, but on the first two you are dead wrong.

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2 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

Which part? That the rads are recirculating the heat back into the case? 

wrong

2 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

That the air is being heated by the rads? 

This is the core idea with watercooling

 

2 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

That turning the top rad around will help with the temps? 

using hot air to cool stuff is somthing i dont recommend 

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1 minute ago, NorKris said:

wrong

This is the core idea with watercooling

 

using hot air to cool stuff is somthing i dont recommend 

You seem to not understand something.

  1. On the first point, the rads are MOST DEFINITELY recirculating the heat because the OP put BOTH of the rads on intake. That is undeniable, so saying I'm wrong is foolish.
  2. Well, at least we agree on something, so you just demonstrated that "ok, then what u said is just wrong then 😛 " is not true.
  3. That is not even a response to what I wrote, despite the fact that, again, that is exactly what the OP is doing by having both heated rads intaking air and heating it up. So why are you disagreeing? Nothing you've asserted proves me wrong.

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10 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

You seem to not understand something.

  1. On the first point, the rads are MOST DEFINITELY recirculating the heat because the OP put BOTH of the rads on intake. That is undeniable, so saying I'm wrong is foolish.
  2. Well, at least we agree on something, so you just demonstrated that "ok, then what u said is just wrong then 😛 " is not true.
  3. That is not even a response to what I wrote, despite the fact that, again, that is exactly what the OP is doing by having both heated rads intaking air and heating it up. So why are you disagreeing? Nothing you've asserted proves me wrong.

ABC of coldair, warmair, how fans blow..

 

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I hope we all understand that when a rad as 20c of air to work with its BETTER than if it has 25++ Air to work with 😮 

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he is using an over pressure design so hot air will be exhausted out the back. the system will work as the fluid is what needs to be cooled which in turn colols his CPU GPU. the CPU has a design from AMD to hit 95c or close to it for optimal performance. basically nothing wrong there. the fluid is what needs the cooler air and bringing ambient air across the rad is probably the most efficient. reversing those fans moves air more rapdily out of the case but will be blowing warm air above ambient across the top rad. I really see no benefit as his temps are fine as they are. the real issue was a limited amount of coolant to keep his system under control without temerature creep. this he has solved.

It was ok for temps initially but he was pushing the limits to how little fluid he could move around the system to work fine under long intense use. 

Either way the system is good both as intake or swapping the top to exhaust. I would be very surprised if over a long period it really made much difference. As long as he keep his temps as they are he is solid.

 

 

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16 minutes ago, NorKris said:

ABC of coldair, warmair, how fans blow..

 

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I hope we all understand that when a rad as 20c of air to work with its BETTER than if it has 25++ Air to work with 😮 

Interesting math.

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49 minutes ago, NorKris said:

not math at all, air temp increase AFTER its been in an rad(Fact), making that hot air go into another rad if u can avoid it seems... very smart 

Recirculating heat seems very smart, too.

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the one thing overlooked here is the photo showing he uses a small relatively compact case. not much volume for air in there at all.

So with the method used to cool his system drawing ambient air in over both radiators is a plus in my opinion. the volume of air being pulled into the case is such that hot air which will be in the case is getting flushed out multiple times per minute...His GPU is so close to the top rad that when gaming the heat from the GPU will if he reverses those fans simply not be as efficient as the 20c ambient air cooling fluid in his top radiator.

Due to over pressure of air in the case he is forcing air out the back and anywhere else it can escape.

With those fans reversed to exhaust he will be pulling hot air into the rad preventing the ability to cool the fluid as efficiently his choice was a good one.

2 hours ago, Pikatchu said:

so I thought all cooled fresh air for radiator takes priority. Let the heat just escape

 

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21 minutes ago, johnno23 said:

the one thing overlooked here is the photo showing he uses a small relatively compact case. not much volume for air in there at all.

So with the method used to cool his system drawing ambient air in over both radiators is a plus in my opinion. the volume of air being pulled into the case is such that hot air which will be in the case is getting flushed out multiple times per minute...His GPU is so close to the top rad that when gaming the heat from the GPU will if he reverses those fans simply not be as efficient as the 20c ambient air cooling fluid in his top radiator.

Due to over pressure of air in the case he is forcing air out the back and anywhere else it can escape.

With those fans reversed to exhaust he will be pulling hot air into the rad preventing the ability to cool the fluid as efficiently his choice was a good one.

 

Thank you for the excellent explanation! I couldn't tell that it's a small case.

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1 hour ago, NorKris said:

how is it recirculating?

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I don't know the actual direction of flow, so I chose this direction. It doesn't actually matter, nor does the order, as Jayz2Cents has demonstrated.
I cannot estimate the temperatures. The OP has stated the room temperature, so that would be blue, and the sensor temps, which would be red +/- x degrees depending on the actual CPU and GPU heat extracted.

As for the question of how air flows within the case, I can only speculate. The strong positive pressure, as @johnno23 pointed out, pushes the air through the rear and any other exit points. Whether there are any turbulent areas or areas in which the air circles or stagnates is not known to me. A Scottish guy named "wee-eddie" on Bleeping Computer would have fits with this as he says only an exhaust fan is EVER needed, and all intake fans are because people have been duped by marketers. He's a bit of a wanker - intractable and arrogant.

As was pointed out by you both, the downward pointing fans will deflect the heated air from the front rad (and the CPU, mobo & GPU as extraction won't be 100%). Whether your math about the degrees is accurate is a question mark that I cannot resolve, but I suspect are representative rather than accurate. The only note I have about that is that the upper rad will only pull out some of the heated air if it exhausts air.

I have no way of knowing whether recirculating all that heat through the system with only cooled air coming in results in superior temps to a mixed flow (in and out). I suggested that the OP flip the fans since they noted that the temps didn't change with the addition of the top rad. Whether the OP wants to do that is their choice.

 

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You guys are acting as if thermodynamics is complicated or something  🤨

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9 hours ago, RevGAM said:

 

I don't know the actual direction of flow, so I chose this direction. It doesn't actually matter, nor does the order, as Jayz2Cents has demonstrated.
I cannot estimate the temperatures. The OP has stated the room temperature, so that would be blue, and the sensor temps, which would be red +/- x degrees depending on the actual CPU and GPU heat extracted.

As for the question of how air flows within the case, I can only speculate. The strong positive pressure, as @johnno23 pointed out, pushes the air through the rear and any other exit points. Whether there are any turbulent areas or areas in which the air circles or stagnates is not known to me. A Scottish guy named "wee-eddie" on Bleeping Computer would have fits with this as he says only an exhaust fan is EVER needed, and all intake fans are because people have been duped by marketers. He's a bit of a wanker - intractable and arrogant.

As was pointed out by you both, the downward pointing fans will deflect the heated air from the front rad (and the CPU, mobo & GPU as extraction won't be 100%). Whether your math about the degrees is accurate is a question mark that I cannot resolve, but I suspect are representative rather than accurate. The only note I have about that is that the upper rad will only pull out some of the heated air if it exhausts air.

I have no way of knowing whether recirculating all that heat through the system with only cooled air coming in results in superior temps to a mixed flow (in and out). I suggested that the OP flip the fans since they noted that the temps didn't change with the addition of the top rad. Whether the OP wants to do that is their choice.

 

ok no recir then 😛  good. i bet the water isnt rly heating up that much, maybe a bad mount thingy or .. have we seen any info on fan speeds? 

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On 4/23/2023 at 4:37 AM, NorKris said:

ok no recir then 😛  good. i bet the water isnt rly heating up that much, maybe a bad mount thingy or .. have we seen any info on fan speeds? 

Look at the orange arrows. That's recirculation. I think we scared the OP...:(

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42 minutes ago, NorKris said:

no the orange in the air does not indicate recir... 

It indicates heat that was not neutralized by the outside air. That IS recirculation.

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35 minutes ago, NorKris said:

u mean like recir for  cooling of the motherboard and other PCB's?

It's the heat from the CPU and GC that wasn't eliminated by the air from the room. Also, some heat leaves the tubing and water block. 

 

Say for example room temperature is 21 C, but the CPU is at 60 C and the GC is at 90 C. I doubt the water can remove 100%of the heat all the time, especially once the water reaches a stable temp. But let's assume that it removes 100% anyways. Let's subtract 5 C (random number) so the heat entering the loop is 145 C, and the coolness is 21x5 (using 220 & 360 AIOs), which is 105 C. That leaves 40 C still in the water, in theory.  If the CPU and GC are at 50 and 60 C respectively, then very nearly all the heat is removed, aside from what's outside the loop.  If the temps are checked in BIOS, it is possible, I think, that the PC temperature could possible be ambient. 

 

I'm not saying these are actual numbers, just an example, because the correct math is more than I understand. 

 

Hopefully, that makes sense. 

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My phone's auto-correct is named Otto Rong.🤪😂

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