Bios nightmare HELP

[Linusboss]

I have recently finished my first pc build. I have an arous b450 elite v2, ryzen 5 5600x, rtx 2060, 250gb wd black m.2, crucial 1tb ssd, corsair 850w psu and 2 sticks ddr4 8gb Corsair vengeance ram. I got this thing built turned it on and have two flashing red lights between cpu and dram on the mb I’ve tried reseating the ram and moving it around but everywhere I look I keep seeing that the issue is supposedly I need a bios update for the board is this correct.

[Levent]

Probably yeah, afaik no b450 came with Zen3 compatible bios out of the box. Which also I don’t think that board is capable of doing without a supported CPU (I might be wrong, I don’t feel like confirming)

[Linusboss]

10 minutes ago, Levent said:

Probably yeah, afaik no b450 came with Zen3 compatible bios out of the box. Which also I don’t think that board is capable of doing without a supported CPU (I might be wrong, I don’t feel like confirming)

Yea the boards not qflash compatible and I do believe I would a support cpu I was interested in seeing if a ryzen 3 2200g would work bc I don’t know with the interstates graphics on the chip

[An0maly_76]

30 minutes ago, Linusboss said:

I have recently finished my first pc build. I have an arous b450 elite v2, ryzen 5 5600x, rtx 2060, 250gb wd black m.2, crucial 1tb ssd, corsair 850w psu and 2 sticks ddr4 8gb Corsair vengeance ram. I got this thing built turned it on and have two flashing red lights between cpu and dram on the mb I’ve tried reseating the ram and moving it around but everywhere I look I keep seeing that the issue is supposedly I need a bios update for the board is this correct.

BIOS update likely as it is a B450, but also check the board manufacturer's compatibility list for the RAM modules you use, RAM can be a big deal with Ryzens. My 5900X drove me nuts for several months until @BiotechBensaid something about RAM training that helped me figure out the issue was the RAM.

[Linusboss]

54 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

BIOS update likely as it is a B450, but also check the board manufacturer's compatibility list for the RAM modules you use, RAM can be a big deal with Ryzens. My 5900X drove me nuts for several months until @BiotechBensaid something about RAM training that helped me figure out the issue was the RAM.

I’ve just finished checking the compatibility list for the board it says that it supports 3200 mhz ram which is what I have. Is there anything else I could check.

[An0maly_76]

14 minutes ago, Linusboss said:

I’ve just finished checking the compatibility list for the board it says that it supports 3200 mhz ram which is what I have. Is there anything else I could check.

Speed isn't so important as the part # here. Some boards are really funny about certain RAM. Some processors are too.

 

@Linusboss

 

You should check this list for your RAM's part # (SKU).

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[Linusboss]

1 hour ago, An0maly_76 said:

Speed isn't so important as the part # here. Some boards are really funny about certain RAM. Some processors are too.

 

@Linusboss

 

You should check this list for your RAM's part # (SKU).

Ok so I checked for the part number it’s not on the list anywhere I even did search in page to see if I over looked it nothing comes up so so I just have non compatible ram

[Monsterkater]

13 minutes ago, Linusboss said:

Ok so I checked for the part number it’s not on the list anywhere I even did search in page to see if I over looked it nothing comes up so so I just have non compatible ram

Might be. Sometimes RAM does work without explicitly being listed as compatible though.

 

I'd recommend doing a BIOS update first and foremost.

I just took a quick look into the CPU compatibility list of that particular board, support for your CPU was added in BIOS version F61.

[An0maly_76]

@Linusboss

 

What @Monsterkatersaid. It's a possibility. Absence from the list doesn't guarantee it won't work, but it doesn't guarantee it will be stable, either. I have seen this to be an issue with multiple board / CPU combinations, though. My 5900X drove me insane for five months or so until @BiotechBensaid something about memory training that put me on the right track.

 

The BIOS update will usually require an older supported processor installed unless the board has a BIOS update button (usually has a dedicated BIOS update USB port).

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[Linusboss]

31 minutes ago, Monsterkater said:

Might be. Sometimes RAM does work without explicitly being listed as compatible though.

 

I'd recommend doing a BIOS update first and foremost.

I just took a quick look into the CPU compatibility list of that particular board, support for your CPU was added in BIOS version 

32 minutes ago, Monsterkater said:

Might be. Sometimes RAM does work without explicitly being listed as compatible though.

 

I'd recommend doing a BIOS update first and foremost.

I just took a quick look into the CPU compatibility list of that particular board, support for your CPU was added in BIOS version F61.

So if updating my bios is my current option I’m going to have to buy a compatible cpu that works out of the box I was looking into maybe getting a ryzen 3 2200g but I’m concerned it won’t work with the integrated graphics on the chip. If I do use that chip should I still connect hdmi to my graphics card or the mb since it’s on the chipset 

[Beerzerker]

Should be able to update the BIOS even if there isn't a chip in the socket.
The manufacturer's website has directions on how to do that. 

With that said, I"m betting it's just another case of Corsair Vengeance RAM vs Ryzen yet again.
Too many verified accounts here and elsewhere of that being the problem in the end to dismiss it so easily.

[Linusboss]

26 minutes ago, Linusboss said:

 

I’ve been told in multiple times that the board supports updating the bios without the correct chip installed but I also keep hearing that the board doesn’t have qflash. I know most mb’s have a designated port but I don’t see one when examining the back.

[Monsterkater]

12 hours ago, Beerzerker said:

Too many verified accounts here and elsewhere of that being the problem in the end to dismiss it so easily.

Nah, I'm not dismissing it outright. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding, I'm not a native English speaker.

I'm just saying that while it could very well be a RAM issue, the possibility that RAM works without being explicitly listed as compatible is quite high, which is just a result of manufacturers not being able to validate every single RAM-SKU on the market. On the other hand, his chip is explicitly listed as incompatible without a BIOS update, which is why I suggested trying that first.

Also, this thread in Tom's Hardware forums seems to regard the same issue and that was fixed with a BIOS update.

 

13 hours ago, Beerzerker said:

I"m betting it's just another case of Corsair Vengeance RAM vs Ryzen yet again

I'd gladly take that bet. What are the stakes?

 

12 hours ago, Linusboss said:

I also keep hearing that the board doesn’t have qflash

Please always refer to your motherboard's manual first, before listening to random ppl on the internet. On page 8 it clearly states that Q-Flash is supported. Also, on their specification page for your board Q-Flash is listed as supported (have a look at "Unique Features").

What your Board doesn't seem to have is an option for BIOS flashback, that is to say the option to update the BIOS without a CPU installed. Gigabyte's calling that "Q-Flash Plus", which IMHO is unnecessarily confusing, but there you go.

 

12 hours ago, Linusboss said:

most mb’s have a designated port but I don’t see one when examining the back

While some boards do have a dedicated port for flashing BIOS without having a screen output, your's doesn't seem to have one. Just use any free USB port, I'd suggest using a USB 2.0 port, since I have had mixed results with using USB 3.0 ports for flashing (or even things like ADB, for that matter). However that's just a personal preference on my end, YMMV.

As for how to use Q-Flash, please refer to this tutorial by Gigabyte. As alyways, make sure to read it once or twice (or even trice) before attempting the flash, just to make sure you didn't miss any instructions.

 

13 hours ago, Linusboss said:

looking into maybe getting a ryzen 3 2200g

That chip is listed as compatible since initial release (BIOS version F1), so it should work fine.

If you don't want to buy a new chip, you could also request a boot kit from AMD. Since I have never done that before, I won't be able to help you with that, though.

 

13 hours ago, Linusboss said:

If I do use that chip should I still connect hdmi to my graphics card

If you should opt for using that chip in order to flash the BIOS (I'm assuming you want to switch to your 5600X afterwards), I'd recommend to remove your GPU altogether and use your onboard HDMI out, in order to remove as many variables as possible.

On that note, I'd also recommend unplugging everything that isn't strictly necessary, ie only keep your monitor, mouse, keyboard and USB flash drive connected and disconnect everything else. Also, remove any plug-in cards you might normally use for the duration of your update, such as GPU, capture card, dedicated sound or network cards et cetera.

While that isn't strictly necessary, again, it's removing variables to lessen the possibility of a mishap. Better safe than sorry  

 

 

Once the BIOS update is done and you re-installed your new CPU (don't forget to re-paste), we will tackle other issues if you should still have any.

[Linusboss]

The response here has been so amazing than you for all the advice I will try these things out and update here when I have results. Thank you everyone