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So I've trying to decide on which system to get for my little brother after his 4690k died. Will be used mainly for gaming right now at 1080p and soon on 1440p so goal is 1440p later on.

 

CPU: Ryzen 7 5700x / Intel i5 13400

MB: Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite V2 / Gigabyte B760/660 Gaming X

RAM: Kingston FURY Renegade 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16

GPU: GTX 970 for a place holder until i find a good price on a used 3070 or 6800 class card.

Cooler: Probably will be 280 or 360 Arctic Freezer II or anything similar.

Case: Lancool 216

PSU: Cooler Master V850 Gold V2 (already have)

 

Now the AMD and the Intel builds pretty much cost the same price in my country, I've already watched ton of videos but still can't decide on which one to buy.

We usually upgrade PC's once in 5 years.

Would like to hear your thoughts on which one will be better to get.

Thanks ahead 🙂

 

 

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Am5 will be the better option 

(You dont need a aio for i5/R5 chips a good aircooler will do). If you are in the us you could get this in bundle from microcenter for even cheaper.

 

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CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($229.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($40.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($179.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory  ($129.94 @ Newegg) 
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It sounds to me like your overspending on the Case, Cooler and Ram.

 

Where are you buying and what is the budget?

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Common build advice:

1) Buy the cheapest (well reviewed) motherboard that has the features you need. Paying more typically only gets you features you won’t use. 2) only get as much RAM as you need, getting more won’t (typically) make your PC faster. 3) While I recommend getting an NVMe drive, you don’t need to splurge for an expensive drive with DRam cache, DRamless drives are fine for gamers. 4) paying for looks is fine, just don’t break the bank. 5) Tower coolers are usually good enough, unless you go top tier Intel or plan on OCing. 6) OCing is a dead meme, you probably shouldn’t bother. 7) "Bottlenecks" rarely matter and "Future-proofing" is a myth. 8) AIOs don't noticeably improve performance past 240mm and don't improve at all past 360mm. 9) RTFM.

 

Useful Websites:

https://www.productchart.com - helps compare monitors, https://uk.pcpartpicker.com - makes designing a PC easier.

 

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He/Him - I'm a PhD student working in the fields of reinforcement learning and traffic control. PCs are one of my hobbies and I've built many PCs and performed upgrades on a few laptops (for myself, friends and family). My personal computers include 4 windows (10/11) machines and a TrueNAS server (and I'm looking to move to dual booting Linux Mint on my main machine in future). Aside from computers, I also dabble in modding/homebrew retro consoles, support Southampton FC, and enjoy Scuba Diving and Skiing.

Fun Facts

1) When I was 3 years old my favourite toy was a scientific calculator. 2) My father is a British Champion ploughman in the Vintage Hydraulic Class. 3) On Speedrun.com, I'm the world record holder for the Dream Bobsleigh event on Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games 2010.

 

My Favourite Games: World of Tanks, Runescape, Subnautica, Metroid (Fusion and Dread), Spyro: Year of the Dragon (Original and Reignited Trilogy), Crash Bash, Mario Kart Wii, Balatro

 

My Computers: Primary: My main gaming rig - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/NByp3C Second: Hosts Discord bots as well as a Minecraft and Ark server, and also serves as a reinforcement learning sand box - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/cc9K7P NAS: TrueNAS Scale NAS hosting SMB shares, DDNS updater, pi-hole, and a Jellyfin server - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/m37w3C Foldatron: My folding@home and BOINC rig (partially donated to me by Folding Team Leader GOTSpectrum) - Mobile: Mini-ITX gaming rig for when I'm away from home -

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47 minutes ago, Gokul_P said:

Am5 will be the better option 

(You dont need a aio for i5/R5 chips a good aircooler will do). If you are in the us you could get this in bundle from microcenter for even cheaper.

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/p6ymMb

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($229.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($40.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($179.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory  ($129.94 @ Newegg) 
Total: $579.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Unfortunately I'm not in the US, that's why i didn't include the budget.

A cheap B650 here starts 100$ more than the B760/660 or b550,  msi boards have very limited supply here so i couldn't find any budget options.

47 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

@Ren1z

It sounds to me like your overspending on the Case, Cooler and Ram.

 

Where are you buying and what is the budget?

I am not from the US that's why i didn't include budget.

Actually that ram is one of the cheapest options that available here, case is also not expensive as lower price cases are like 15-20$ less than the 216 and most of them are some knock offs.

Cooler you're right i might get something cheaper.

My main dilemma is either AMD or Intel.. (AM5 is significantly more here so it's out of the budget).

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Either system would be good. There is little to distinguish the two with respect to performance.

 

Both are easily air cooled. In fact one could probably get by using the stock coolers. My inclination would be to use the stock cooler. But a relatively inexpensive air cooler would offer quieter operation.

 

80+ ratings certify electrical efficiency. Not quality.

 

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13 minutes ago, Ren1z said:

Unfortunately I'm not in the US, that's why i didn't include the budget.

What country are you in?  It's impossible to suggest parts without knowing prices in your local market.

I edit the shit out of my posts.  Refresh before you respond.

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2 hours ago, Ren1z said:

Unfortunately I'm not in the US, that's why i didn't include the budget.

We are very experianced at helping people in many countries and markets. If you tell us where to look we may well be able to help you get better parts for your money.

I might be experienced, but I'm human and I do make mistakes. Trust but Verify! I edit my messages after sending them alot, please refresh before posting your reply. Please try to be clear and specific, you'll get a better answer. Please remember to mark solutions once you have the information you need. Expand this signature for common PC building advice, a short bio and a list of my components.

 

Common build advice:

1) Buy the cheapest (well reviewed) motherboard that has the features you need. Paying more typically only gets you features you won’t use. 2) only get as much RAM as you need, getting more won’t (typically) make your PC faster. 3) While I recommend getting an NVMe drive, you don’t need to splurge for an expensive drive with DRam cache, DRamless drives are fine for gamers. 4) paying for looks is fine, just don’t break the bank. 5) Tower coolers are usually good enough, unless you go top tier Intel or plan on OCing. 6) OCing is a dead meme, you probably shouldn’t bother. 7) "Bottlenecks" rarely matter and "Future-proofing" is a myth. 8) AIOs don't noticeably improve performance past 240mm and don't improve at all past 360mm. 9) RTFM.

 

Useful Websites:

https://www.productchart.com - helps compare monitors, https://uk.pcpartpicker.com - makes designing a PC easier.

 

Bio:

He/Him - I'm a PhD student working in the fields of reinforcement learning and traffic control. PCs are one of my hobbies and I've built many PCs and performed upgrades on a few laptops (for myself, friends and family). My personal computers include 4 windows (10/11) machines and a TrueNAS server (and I'm looking to move to dual booting Linux Mint on my main machine in future). Aside from computers, I also dabble in modding/homebrew retro consoles, support Southampton FC, and enjoy Scuba Diving and Skiing.

Fun Facts

1) When I was 3 years old my favourite toy was a scientific calculator. 2) My father is a British Champion ploughman in the Vintage Hydraulic Class. 3) On Speedrun.com, I'm the world record holder for the Dream Bobsleigh event on Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games 2010.

 

My Favourite Games: World of Tanks, Runescape, Subnautica, Metroid (Fusion and Dread), Spyro: Year of the Dragon (Original and Reignited Trilogy), Crash Bash, Mario Kart Wii, Balatro

 

My Computers: Primary: My main gaming rig - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/NByp3C Second: Hosts Discord bots as well as a Minecraft and Ark server, and also serves as a reinforcement learning sand box - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/cc9K7P NAS: TrueNAS Scale NAS hosting SMB shares, DDNS updater, pi-hole, and a Jellyfin server - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/m37w3C Foldatron: My folding@home and BOINC rig (partially donated to me by Folding Team Leader GOTSpectrum) - Mobile: Mini-ITX gaming rig for when I'm away from home -

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27 minutes ago, Ren1z said:

Alright, I live in Israel 🙂

Okay, we can work with that, what sort of budget are we looking at?

I might be experienced, but I'm human and I do make mistakes. Trust but Verify! I edit my messages after sending them alot, please refresh before posting your reply. Please try to be clear and specific, you'll get a better answer. Please remember to mark solutions once you have the information you need. Expand this signature for common PC building advice, a short bio and a list of my components.

 

Common build advice:

1) Buy the cheapest (well reviewed) motherboard that has the features you need. Paying more typically only gets you features you won’t use. 2) only get as much RAM as you need, getting more won’t (typically) make your PC faster. 3) While I recommend getting an NVMe drive, you don’t need to splurge for an expensive drive with DRam cache, DRamless drives are fine for gamers. 4) paying for looks is fine, just don’t break the bank. 5) Tower coolers are usually good enough, unless you go top tier Intel or plan on OCing. 6) OCing is a dead meme, you probably shouldn’t bother. 7) "Bottlenecks" rarely matter and "Future-proofing" is a myth. 8) AIOs don't noticeably improve performance past 240mm and don't improve at all past 360mm. 9) RTFM.

 

Useful Websites:

https://www.productchart.com - helps compare monitors, https://uk.pcpartpicker.com - makes designing a PC easier.

 

Bio:

He/Him - I'm a PhD student working in the fields of reinforcement learning and traffic control. PCs are one of my hobbies and I've built many PCs and performed upgrades on a few laptops (for myself, friends and family). My personal computers include 4 windows (10/11) machines and a TrueNAS server (and I'm looking to move to dual booting Linux Mint on my main machine in future). Aside from computers, I also dabble in modding/homebrew retro consoles, support Southampton FC, and enjoy Scuba Diving and Skiing.

Fun Facts

1) When I was 3 years old my favourite toy was a scientific calculator. 2) My father is a British Champion ploughman in the Vintage Hydraulic Class. 3) On Speedrun.com, I'm the world record holder for the Dream Bobsleigh event on Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games 2010.

 

My Favourite Games: World of Tanks, Runescape, Subnautica, Metroid (Fusion and Dread), Spyro: Year of the Dragon (Original and Reignited Trilogy), Crash Bash, Mario Kart Wii, Balatro

 

My Computers: Primary: My main gaming rig - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/NByp3C Second: Hosts Discord bots as well as a Minecraft and Ark server, and also serves as a reinforcement learning sand box - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/cc9K7P NAS: TrueNAS Scale NAS hosting SMB shares, DDNS updater, pi-hole, and a Jellyfin server - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/m37w3C Foldatron: My folding@home and BOINC rig (partially donated to me by Folding Team Leader GOTSpectrum) - Mobile: Mini-ITX gaming rig for when I'm away from home -

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4 hours ago, will0hlep said:

Okay, we can work with that, what sort of budget are we looking at?

Around 2,500 ils (700$) for Cpu, Motherboard, Ram, Case and cooler.

The old 4690k system that died have an Noctua U14S cooler for 8 years. Any idea if i can reuse it with purchasing mounting bracket?

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1 hour ago, Ren1z said:

The old 4690k system that died have an Noctua U14S cooler for 8 years. Any idea if i can reuse it with purchasing mounting bracket?

 

There is an AM4  adapter available. https://noctua.at/en/nm-am4-uxs-mounting-kit. An LGA 1700 adapter kit is also available, https://noctua.at/en/nm-i17xx-mp78-mounting-kit.

 

The NH-U14S is definitely worth reusing. It's a very capable cooler.

80+ ratings certify electrical efficiency. Not quality.

 

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56 minutes ago, Ren1z said:

Around 2,500 ils (700$) for Cpu, Motherboard, Ram, Case and cooler.

The old 4690k system that died have an Noctua U14S cooler for 8 years. Any idea if i can reuse it with purchasing mounting bracket?

I've been told Noctua have a policy of providing new mounting hardware for old coolers on request, no idea if it's true but it would be worth looking into it. thanks brob 👍

As for 2,500 ils for a Cpu, Motherboard, Ram and Case - I think you could manage a Ryzen 7 5800x in that budget. Using Newegg you can get an AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, ASRock B550M Phantom Gaming 4 AM4 AMD B550 Motherboard and CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3200 for ₪1,730.40 including delivery. Then all you'd have to do is find a case you like using what is left of your budget (there appear to be a few available on the newegg website.

https://www.newegg.com/global/il-en/asrock-b550m-phantom-gaming-4/p/N82E16813157966?Item=N82E16813157966
https://www.newegg.com/global/il-en/amd-ryzen-7-5800x/p/N82E16819113665?Item=N82E16819113665
https://www.newegg.com/global/il-en/corsair-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236540?Item=N82E16820236540

 

If you don't want to take this route, then I think I'd go Intel i5 13400, but it's so tight between the 13400 and 5700x.

I might be experienced, but I'm human and I do make mistakes. Trust but Verify! I edit my messages after sending them alot, please refresh before posting your reply. Please try to be clear and specific, you'll get a better answer. Please remember to mark solutions once you have the information you need. Expand this signature for common PC building advice, a short bio and a list of my components.

 

Common build advice:

1) Buy the cheapest (well reviewed) motherboard that has the features you need. Paying more typically only gets you features you won’t use. 2) only get as much RAM as you need, getting more won’t (typically) make your PC faster. 3) While I recommend getting an NVMe drive, you don’t need to splurge for an expensive drive with DRam cache, DRamless drives are fine for gamers. 4) paying for looks is fine, just don’t break the bank. 5) Tower coolers are usually good enough, unless you go top tier Intel or plan on OCing. 6) OCing is a dead meme, you probably shouldn’t bother. 7) "Bottlenecks" rarely matter and "Future-proofing" is a myth. 8) AIOs don't noticeably improve performance past 240mm and don't improve at all past 360mm. 9) RTFM.

 

Useful Websites:

https://www.productchart.com - helps compare monitors, https://uk.pcpartpicker.com - makes designing a PC easier.

 

Bio:

He/Him - I'm a PhD student working in the fields of reinforcement learning and traffic control. PCs are one of my hobbies and I've built many PCs and performed upgrades on a few laptops (for myself, friends and family). My personal computers include 4 windows (10/11) machines and a TrueNAS server (and I'm looking to move to dual booting Linux Mint on my main machine in future). Aside from computers, I also dabble in modding/homebrew retro consoles, support Southampton FC, and enjoy Scuba Diving and Skiing.

Fun Facts

1) When I was 3 years old my favourite toy was a scientific calculator. 2) My father is a British Champion ploughman in the Vintage Hydraulic Class. 3) On Speedrun.com, I'm the world record holder for the Dream Bobsleigh event on Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games 2010.

 

My Favourite Games: World of Tanks, Runescape, Subnautica, Metroid (Fusion and Dread), Spyro: Year of the Dragon (Original and Reignited Trilogy), Crash Bash, Mario Kart Wii, Balatro

 

My Computers: Primary: My main gaming rig - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/NByp3C Second: Hosts Discord bots as well as a Minecraft and Ark server, and also serves as a reinforcement learning sand box - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/cc9K7P NAS: TrueNAS Scale NAS hosting SMB shares, DDNS updater, pi-hole, and a Jellyfin server - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/m37w3C Foldatron: My folding@home and BOINC rig (partially donated to me by Folding Team Leader GOTSpectrum) - Mobile: Mini-ITX gaming rig for when I'm away from home -

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I personally don't think a 280 or 360 water cooler is necessary - it is a total overkill. Moreover, AIO usually has less life expense; considering your last build was 4th gen, I would suggest you use a air cooler. AIO has a big chance to leak water after 3 to 5 years.

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Case:Jonsbo A4

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GPU: Intel Arc A770 Limited Edition

CPU Cooling: Asus ROG Strix LC II 240mm AIO, with 4x Noctua A12x25 Fan.

Motherboard: Gigabyte Z690i Aorus Ultra DDR4

RAM: G.Skill DDR4 3600CL18 32GBx2
System Drive: Samsung 970Pro 1TB.

File Drive: Samsung 980Pro 2TB.

Media Drive: Intel S4510 3.84TBx2 (RAID 0)

PSU: Silverstone SX650G 650W SFX

 

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Case: Akasa Plato X8

CPU: Intel i5-8259U

Cooling: Passive Cooling Case

Motherboard: NUC8 i5BEH

RAM: 2400Mhz 16GBx2

Drive: Samsung 970Pro 512GB.

 

NAS :

Case: Jonsbo N1

CPU: Intel Xeon D-1521

Motherboard: X10SDV-4C-TLN2F

RAM: Micron 2400MHz ECC RDIMM 32GBx4

Pool 1: Data: WestDigit Red Plus 8TBx5 (RAID-Z1) Metadata: Intel P1600X 118GBx2 (Mirror)

Pool 2: Intel 670P 2TBx3 (RAID-Z1)

PSU: Silverstone SX300-B SFX

 

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56 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

I've been told Noctua have a policy of providing new mounting hardware for old coolers on request, no idea if it's true but it would be worth looking into it. thanks brob 👍

As for 2,500 ils for a Cpu, Motherboard, Ram and Case - I think you could manage a Ryzen 7 5800x in that budget. Using Newegg you can get an AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, ASRock B550M Phantom Gaming 4 AM4 AMD B550 Motherboard and CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3200 for ₪1,730.40 including delivery. Then all you'd have to do is find a case you like using what is left of your budget (there appear to be a few available on the newegg website.

https://www.newegg.com/global/il-en/asrock-b550m-phantom-gaming-4/p/N82E16813157966?Item=N82E16813157966
https://www.newegg.com/global/il-en/amd-ryzen-7-5800x/p/N82E16819113665?Item=N82E16819113665
https://www.newegg.com/global/il-en/corsair-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236540?Item=N82E16820236540

 

If you don't want to take this route, then I think I'd go Intel i5 13400, but it's so tight between the 13400 and 5700x.

Is there any real benefit going 13400? i see even at productivity apps they are pretty much similar..

Will be definitely reuse the U14S then 🙂

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9 hours ago, Ren1z said:

Is there any real benefit going 13400? i see even at productivity apps they are pretty much similar..

Will be definitely reuse the U14S then 🙂

There’s no real performance benefit to either. The choice of which you take probably lies in other features. (At this point I’ve changed my mind to 5700X/5800X) The main point for me would be that the amd chips are overclockable.

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Common build advice:

1) Buy the cheapest (well reviewed) motherboard that has the features you need. Paying more typically only gets you features you won’t use. 2) only get as much RAM as you need, getting more won’t (typically) make your PC faster. 3) While I recommend getting an NVMe drive, you don’t need to splurge for an expensive drive with DRam cache, DRamless drives are fine for gamers. 4) paying for looks is fine, just don’t break the bank. 5) Tower coolers are usually good enough, unless you go top tier Intel or plan on OCing. 6) OCing is a dead meme, you probably shouldn’t bother. 7) "Bottlenecks" rarely matter and "Future-proofing" is a myth. 8) AIOs don't noticeably improve performance past 240mm and don't improve at all past 360mm. 9) RTFM.

 

Useful Websites:

https://www.productchart.com - helps compare monitors, https://uk.pcpartpicker.com - makes designing a PC easier.

 

Bio:

He/Him - I'm a PhD student working in the fields of reinforcement learning and traffic control. PCs are one of my hobbies and I've built many PCs and performed upgrades on a few laptops (for myself, friends and family). My personal computers include 4 windows (10/11) machines and a TrueNAS server (and I'm looking to move to dual booting Linux Mint on my main machine in future). Aside from computers, I also dabble in modding/homebrew retro consoles, support Southampton FC, and enjoy Scuba Diving and Skiing.

Fun Facts

1) When I was 3 years old my favourite toy was a scientific calculator. 2) My father is a British Champion ploughman in the Vintage Hydraulic Class. 3) On Speedrun.com, I'm the world record holder for the Dream Bobsleigh event on Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games 2010.

 

My Favourite Games: World of Tanks, Runescape, Subnautica, Metroid (Fusion and Dread), Spyro: Year of the Dragon (Original and Reignited Trilogy), Crash Bash, Mario Kart Wii, Balatro

 

My Computers: Primary: My main gaming rig - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/NByp3C Second: Hosts Discord bots as well as a Minecraft and Ark server, and also serves as a reinforcement learning sand box - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/cc9K7P NAS: TrueNAS Scale NAS hosting SMB shares, DDNS updater, pi-hole, and a Jellyfin server - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/m37w3C Foldatron: My folding@home and BOINC rig (partially donated to me by Folding Team Leader GOTSpectrum) - Mobile: Mini-ITX gaming rig for when I'm away from home -

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Sorry, what will you use it for? Please be specific, including names of games and other programs.

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