amd cpu line up

[Amir F. Rad]

could someone please explain amd cpu line up in a way i can understand please

intel line up is very obvious first core i3 then core i5 then core i7 then core i9 and the three numbers from right when goes higher the cpu gets stronger and then we have different alphabets after the number for different types for example 117ooh is 11th gen core i7 for mobile devices or 13100f is 13th gen core i3 without integrated gpu it is very easy to understand but i don't understand amd line up at all could someone please make it simple to understand and explain it please

[Middcore]

If you think Intel's mobile naming scheme makes any sense but can't fathom AMD's naming scheme I think you're frankly being obtuse on purpose.

 

First number is the chip generation. Following numbers are the relative position in the lineup. Not really different from Intel. So you can easily deduce a 3600 is a newer generation than a 2700 but slightly lower in the lineup.

 

Trailing X means slightly higher factory clocks, not really worth worrying about.

 

Trailing G is an APU.

 

X3D uses AMD's new 3d V-cache technology, an explanation of which is beyond the scope of this thread.

 

That's pretty much it. 

[igormp]

Ryzen 3 -> 5 -> 7 -> 9, pretty much the same as Intel's.

 

Then the three numbers from right when goes higher the cpu gets stronger, like 5600, 5700, 5900, 5950.

 

And then we have different alphabets after the number for different types, like G for the ones with integrated graphics, X for high-clocked models, U for low power mobile, H/HS for high-power mobile.

[Amir F. Rad]

26 minutes ago, igormp said:

Ryzen 3 -> 5 -> 7 -> 9, pretty much the same as Intel's.

 

Then the three numbers from right when goes higher the cpu gets stronger, like 5600, 5700, 5900, 5950.

 

And then we have different alphabets after the number for different types, like G for the ones with integrated graphics, X for high-clocked models, U for low power mobile, H/HS for high-power mobile.

so a ruzen 9 3950g for example equals to core i9 gen 3 and 950 in its line up with integrated graphic and it is stronger than for example ryzen 3 3900x (if such thing exists) which translates to core i3 gen 3 and 900 in its lineup with higher clock speed is this correct? then what is the latest amd generation and socket? i dont know anything about amd except their gpu are pretty fast

[Amir F. Rad]

16 minutes ago, Middcore said:

If you think Intel's mobile naming scheme makes any sense but can't fathom AMD's naming scheme I think you're frankly being obtuse on purpose.

 

First number is the chip generation. Following numbers are the relative position in the lineup. Not really different from Intel. So you can easily deduce a 3600 is a newer generation than a 2700 but slightly lower in the lineup.

 

Trailing X means slightly higher factory clocks, not really worth worrying about.

 

Trailing G is an APU.

 

X3D uses AMD's new 3d V-cache technology, an explanation of which is beyond the scope of this thread.

 

That's pretty much it. 

no i never even touched an amd cpu dont know anything at all about them dont understand their lineup dont get them at all, for intel each generation comes in all core i3 i5 i7 i9 is this the same with amd? are they come in each generation on ryzen 3, 5, 7, 9

you said 2700 is lower generation and lower line up than 3600 i didnt get this part first number is generation so 3600 is generation 3 and 2700 is generation 2 but after that 700 is more than 600 so 2700 is higher in the line up than 3600, i mean equal to 2700 in third gen must be 3700 am i right or i am wrong? 

in intel we got a number and just from that number you can get what is that cpu you have 9500 or 12300 or what ever and just by that number you know generation and where is it stands in that generation line up does amd has the same thing??? this is not about which one is better i really couldnt care less which one is better i just wanna learn it so when someone talks to me about amd cpu at least i understand what he or she is saying

[Middcore]

2 minutes ago, Amir F. Rad said:

no i never even touched an amd cpu dont know anything at all about them dont understand their lineup dont get them at all, for intel each generation comes in all core i3 i5 i7 i9 is this the same with amd? are they come in each generation on ryzen 3, 5, 7, 9

 

i3, i5, etc. is just branding which is ultimately meaningless, yet it's the part you've chosen to focus on. That's how you end up with people overpaying for a years-old secondhand chip because "it's an i7 bro, it must be a beast" when it's actually outperformed by modern entry-level CPU's.

 

AMD tends to just not bother with the extreme low end chips that would get Ryzen 3 branding in some generations.

 

I've explained to you the part of the naming scheme that actually gives you useful information. 

[Amir F. Rad]

2 minutes ago, Middcore said:

 

i3, i5, etc. is just branding which is ultimately meaningless, yet it's the part you've chosen to focus on. That's how you end up with people overpaying for a years-old secondhand chip because "it's an i7 bro, it must be a beast" when it's actually outperformed by modern entry-level CPU's.

 

AMD tends to just not bother with the extreme low end chips that would get Ryzen 3 branding in some generations.

 

I've explained to you the part of the naming scheme that actually gives you useful information. 

 ;( i dont understand it is not about which one is outperforming which one dear friend 

[Middcore]

10 minutes ago, Amir F. Rad said:

 ;( i dont understand it is not about which one is outperforming which one dear friend 

 

Then what is it about? What information do you want to get from the naming scheme if not how current the chip is and its relative level of performance? 

 

20 minutes ago, Amir F. Rad said:

you said 2700 is lower generation and lower line up than 3600 i didnt get this part first number is generation so 3600 is generation 3 and 2700 is generation 2 but after that 700 is more than 600 so 2700 is higher in the line up than 3600,

2700 was positioned higher in the 2000 series lineup than 3600 is positioned in the 3000 series lineup. However, advancements in performance from one generation to the next mean that a "lower" chip in a new generation may perform better than a "higher" chip from an older generation.

 

Just as, for example, a 12600 may perform better than a 10700 with Intel. The 12600 is positioned lower in the lineup for its generation of chips, but it's two generations newer than the 10700 and each generation brings some improvements in performance. 

 

There is nothing fundamentally different going on with AMD. You're just choosing to be confused. 

 

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in intel we got a number and just from that number you can get what is that cpu you have 9500 or 12300 or what ever and just by that number you know generation and where is it stands in that generation line up does amd has the same thing???

I told you this in my first reply.

 

Leading number is the generation, following numbers are the relative position in that generation's lineup. Exactly the same as Intel. 

[Amir F. Rad]

10 minutes ago, Middcore said:

 

Then what is it about? What information do you want to get from the naming scheme if not how current the chip is and its relative level of performance? 

 

2700 was positioned higher in the 2000 series lineup than 3600 is positioned in the 3000 series lineup. However, advancements in performance from one generation to the next mean that a "lower" chip in a new generation may perform better than a "higher" chip from an older generation.

 

Just as, for example, a 12600 may perform better than a 10700 with Intel. The 12600 is positioned lower in the lineup for its generation of chips, but it's two generations newer than the 10700 and each generation brings some improvements in performance. 

 

There is nothing fundamentally different going on with AMD. You're just choosing to be confused. 

 

I told you this in my first reply.

 

Leading number is the generation, following numbers are the relative position in that generation's lineup. Exactly the same as Intel. 

so that ryzen part is just something like core i5 or core i9 in intel then correct ? 3900 is 3th gen 900 in its lineup which translates to ryzen 9 so its name gonna be ryzen9 3900 cpu and we do not have a ryzen3 or ryzen5 3900 that 9 in 3900 refers to ryzen9, 

yes i understand newer generation is stronger, amd cpus are something new in my country we didnt have them before, 

when someone tells me he has a 11900 i understand he went  for the flagship cpu when he was buying it a couple of years ago it doesnt matter a 12700 can outperforms it now, when that person was buying this cpu it was highest in the line up this is what i mean i dont care about the speed of each cpu 

thanks friend again, just for each socket and each generation amd puts out a complete line up from equals to core i3 to core i9 like intel right? so the latest amd socket is am5 i think and i saw a 7950 cpu so we have now ryzen 3 ( 7100, 7200, 7300) , ryzen5 (7400, 7500, 7600), ryzen 7 (7700, 7800) and ryzen 9( 7900. 7950)

and some of them are out but some havent released yet but this line up gonna be something like this, is this correct?

[OddOod]

Basically you have the R3,5,7,9 which match up to the Core i series. first digit is generation, the rest are escalating powers. trailing letter is the modification: G for having an iGPU, X for more cores, 3D for more cache.

TQ did a vid on this

 

[Middcore]

1 minute ago, Amir F. Rad said:

so that ryzen part is just something like core i5 or core i9 in intel then correct ?

Ryzen 3/5/7/9 are just brand names just like Core i3/i5/i7/i9, yes. They mean exactly as much as the names car manufacturers give to cars, that is to say, they mean nothing. Hell, half the time car names aren't even real words. It's like you're obsessing over what Toyota meant to communicate by calling the car a "Corolla." The answer is: nothing. Corolla is a made-up word a focus group deemed pleasant-sounding. 

 

1 minute ago, Amir F. Rad said:

3900 is 3th gen 900 in its lineup which translates to ryzen 9 so its name gonna be ryzen9 3900 cpu and we do not have a ryzen3 or ryzen5 3900 that 9 in 3900 refers to ryzen9, 

The 3900 happened to be branded as a Ryzen 9 chip, but the 900 does not "refer to Ryzen 9."

 

There was a Ryzen 3100, but there was no "Ryzen 1." The chip in my system is a 5600x, but the 600 doesn't "refer to Ryzen 6," they've never marketed any chips as Ryzen 6. 

 

Do you think the 12600 on Intel's side refers to an "i6"? Obviously there is no i6 and never have been. 

 

Stop worrying about Ryzen 3/5/7/9. 

 

1 minute ago, Amir F. Rad said:

thanks friend again, just for each socket and each generation amd puts out a complete line up from equals to core i3 to core i9 like intel right?

No. I told you, not all generations have had chips marketed as "Ryzen 3's", for example. But again, Ryzen 3/5/7/9 doesn't matter. 

 

1 minute ago, Amir F. Rad said:

 

so the latest amd socket is am5 i think and i saw a 7950 cpu so we have now ryzen 3 ( 7100, 7200, 7300) , ryzen5 (7400, 7500, 7600), ryzen 7 (7700, 7800) and ryzen 9( 7900. 7950)

and some of them are out but some havent released yet but this line up gonna be something like this, is this correct?

 

There will doubtless be chips released with some of those model numbers. Probably not all though. 

[Amir F. Rad]

20 minutes ago, OddOod said:

Basically you have the R3,5,7,9 which match up to the Core i series. first digit is generation, the rest are escalating powers. trailing letter is the modification: G for having an iGPU, X for more cores, 3D for more cache.

TQ did a vid on this

 

i think i got it it is like i learned a new language thanks i didnt know about this channel either 

[Amir F. Rad]

24 minutes ago, Middcore said:

Ryzen 3/5/7/9 are just brand names just like Core i3/i5/i7/i9, yes. They mean exactly as much as the names car manufacturers give to cars, that is to say, they mean nothing. Hell, half the time car names aren't even real words. It's like you're obsessing over what Toyota meant to communicate by calling the car a "Corolla." The answer is: nothing. Corolla is a made-up word a focus group deemed pleasant-sounding. 

 

The 3900 happened to be branded as a Ryzen 9 chip, but the 900 does not "refer to Ryzen 9."

 

There was a Ryzen 3100, but there was no "Ryzen 1." The chip in my system is a 5600x, but the 600 doesn't "refer to Ryzen 6," they've never marketed any chips as Ryzen 6. 

 

Do you think the 12600 on Intel's side refers to an "i6"? Obviously there is no i6 and never have been. 

 

Stop worrying about Ryzen 3/5/7/9. 

 

No. I told you, not all generations have had chips marketed as "Ryzen 3's", for example. But again, Ryzen 3/5/7/9 doesn't matter. 

 

 

There will doubtless be chips released with some of those model numbers. Probably not all though. 

i think i am getting it thanks it feels like i learned a new language i am looking at cpu lists and trying to get what is what thanks for your help bro 

[Beerzerker]

50 minutes ago, OddOod said:

Basically you have the R3,5,7,9 which match up to the Core i series. first digit is generation, the rest are escalating powers. trailing letter is the modification: G for having an iGPU, X for more cores, 3D for more cache.

TQ did a vid on this

 

Nope - X means it's a high performance part vs the standard version of it, doesn't mean it has more cores.

I'll use these listings to indicate it:
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 6-Core 3.7 GHz AM4 CPU Processor - Newegg.com
AMD Ryzen 5 5600 - Ryzen 5 5000 Series Vermeer (Zen 3) 6-Core 3.5 GHz Socket AM4 65W None Desktop Processor - 100-100000927BOX - Newegg.com

It's the same for older models too:
AMD RYZEN 7 2700 8-Core 3.2 GHz (4.1 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM4 65W YD2700BBAFBOX Desktop Processor - OEM - Newegg.com
AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 8-Core 3.7 GHz Desktop CPU Processor - Newegg.com

The X also means it has a higher wattage draw and that can also be seen in the spec's of the linked chips along with higher boost speeds and so on.

You can have for example an R5 3600 with lower clocks/boost and wattage rating (65W) vs the R5 3600X, which is clocked/boosts higher by it's stock settings but also has a higher wattage power draw (105W) when compared to the standard R5 3600.

In each case by the model name/number there is no difference in core count within the same generation of chip.
Other prefix's could change that, depending on the prefix used and exact chip gen referred to by name.

If there are any at all the X changes core count for within the same gen/model by name, I've yet to see it myself.

@OP:
You can browse through listings like what's linked and start to get a good idea how it all works.

[Amir F. Rad]

16 minutes ago, Beerzerker said:

Nope - X means it's a high performance part vs the standard version of it, doesn't mean it has more cores.

I'll use these listings to indicate it:
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 6-Core 3.7 GHz AM4 CPU Processor - Newegg.com
AMD Ryzen 5 5600 - Ryzen 5 5000 Series Vermeer (Zen 3) 6-Core 3.5 GHz Socket AM4 65W None Desktop Processor - 100-100000927BOX - Newegg.com

It's the same for older models too:
AMD RYZEN 7 2700 8-Core 3.2 GHz (4.1 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM4 65W YD2700BBAFBOX Desktop Processor - OEM - Newegg.com
AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 8-Core 3.7 GHz Desktop CPU Processor - Newegg.com

The X also means it has a higher wattage draw and that can also be seen in the spec's of the linked chips along with higher boost speeds and so on.

You can have for example an R5 3600 with lower clocks/boost and wattage rating (65W) vs the R5 3600X, which is clocked/boosts higher by it's stock settings but also has a higher wattage power draw (105W) when compared to the standard R5 3600.

In each case by the model name/number there is no difference in core count within the same generation of chip.
Other prefix's could change that, depending on the prefix used and exact chip gen referred to by name.

If there are any at all the X changes core count for within the same gen/model by name, I've yet to see it myself.

@OP:
You can browse through listings like what's linked and start to get a good idea how it all works.

yes thank you i think i am understading more or less 

[Mister Woof]

Intel...the company that brought us the i7-11700k and the i9-11900k....both essentially the same CPU except one costs more

[OddOod]

21 hours ago, Beerzerker said:

Nope - X means it's a high performance part vs the standard version of it, doesn't mean it has more cores.

Thanks for the correction! 

[Beerzerker]

4 hours ago, OddOod said:

Thanks for the correction! 

Yeah, it can be confusing but the thing about an X version vs an non-X chip is consistent that I've ever seen before, regardless of chip gen at least.

[Amir F. Rad]

17 hours ago, OddOod said:

Thanks for the correction! 

base on all your explanations it seems the cpu i want and hopefully i can one day buy gonna be ryzen9 7950x3dg which means the latestest generation with extra cache and more clock speed and integrated graphic do you know anything about xeon and threadripper and epyc line up too by any chance? epyc more or less is understandable higher the number stronger the cpu but i dont understand the generation or anything else in all of them 

[OddOod]

On 1/28/2023 at 2:00 AM, Amir F. Rad said:

ryzen9 7950x3dg

As far as I know there has never been a X-G processor, nor an R9-G processor. They see no market in wasting chip space on an iGPU if they're shooting for top tier performance. 

[igormp]

5 minutes ago, OddOod said:

As far as I know there has never been a X-G processor, nor an R9-G processor. They see no market in wasting chip space on an iGPU if they're shooting for top tier performance. 

AM5 has an iGPU on the IOD, so all current AM5 Ryzen CPUs do have an iGPU.

[OddOod]

4 minutes ago, igormp said:

AM5 has an iGPU on the IOD, so all current AM5 Ryzen CPUs do have an iGPU.

And here I go showing my ignorance again! Thanks
 

[Amir F. Rad]

On 1/30/2023 at 5:57 PM, OddOod said:

And here I go showing my ignorance again! Thanks
 

in that case 7950x3d gonna be the strongest, do you know anything about threadripper and xeon serries too? i dont understand their line up specially intel xeon at all base on what you said in threadripper probably gonna be same as normal amd cpu if i am not mistaken but xeon is really confusing 

[Beerzerker]

17 minutes ago, Amir F. Rad said:

in that case 7950x3d gonna be the strongest, do you know anything about threadripper and xeon serries too? i dont understand their line up specially intel xeon at all base on what you said in threadripper probably gonna be same as normal amd cpu if i am not mistaken but xeon is really confusing 

Xeon is Intel of course with Threadripper being AMD so the two don't really apply in the same way but are for the same basic purpose.

If it's Xeon or TR it's a server chip regardless of what it is by name or model.

Threadripper (TR) isn't the same as a normal CPU, it's a server part and it's not meant for gaming useage so much - It can run games but it's really for heavy workload useage such as programs that use alot of threads like cad, photoshop and others in a similar vein. They tend to have more cores clocked at lower speeds and aren't really suited for overclocking - They can be OC'ed but not normally used that way.

Xeon is more or less the same kind of chip in that light, depending on the exact Xeon model you have.
Smaller Xeon chips CAN clock, run games and so on while doing it well like a standard chip will, larger Xeons with higher core counts are lower clocked pieces that are more like what TR is used for.

[Amir F. Rad]

8 minutes ago, Beerzerker said:

Xeon is Intel of course with Threadripper being AMD so the two don't really apply in the same way but are for the same basic purpose.

If it's Xeon or TR it's a server chip regardless of what it is by name or model.

Threadripper (TR) isn't the same as a normal CPU, it's a server part and it's not meant for gaming useage so much - It can run games but it's really for heavy workload useage such as programs that use alot of threads like cad, photoshop and others in a similar vein. They tend to have more cores clocked at lower speeds and aren't really suited for overclocking - They can be OC'ed but not normally used that way.

Xeon is more or less the same kind of chip in that light, depending on the exact Xeon model you have.
Smaller Xeon chips CAN clock, run games and so on while doing it well like a standard chip will, larger Xeons with higher core counts are lower clocked pieces that are more like what TR is used for.

thank you yes i know that i meant only their line up and generations and so on i know their use and capabilities but dont know their lineup and each time i see a model of them anywhere to understand where it stands in power i just search for its benchmark and look for nearest intel core serries cpu to understand its powers