Bottlenecking

[Diddlydennis]

Im wondering if someone has some expertise in this. I've noticed in a few games I seem to be struggling to hit 60fps but when looking at GPU/CPU/RAM utilization that there always seems to be plenty of room to spare.

 

I have a Ryzen 1600x, RX6600 and 16GB Ram. In a game like Far Cry 5 for example my system appears to be underutilized at the settings I'm using. GPU around 68-75% and CPU is usually less than 50%. Is this a sign of a bandwidth issue? ie RAM speed bottleneck or something else? Having a similar issue with Elden Ring currently.

[PDifolco]

CPU bottleneck

Games can't use all 6 cores/12 threads you have, they can use say 1-5 threads, then your old 1600 hasn't that fast cores, finally it cannot feed the GPU as much as the GPU could render..

It's even more the case on say old Xeons, they may have many (slow) cores,  but are bad for gaming

SoTR (game) has a very good benchmark result screen that shows performance of each part, try it if you can 

[191x7]

28 minutes ago, Diddlydennis said:

I have a Ryzen 1600x, RX6600 and 16GB Ram.

How fast is your RAM? First generation Ryzen needs 2666 to run optimally but 2933 or more might be unstable if using XMP.

Do you have the latest bios and the latest chipset drivers from AMD?

[Diddlydennis]

2 hours ago, 191x7 said:

How fast is your RAM? First generation Ryzen needs 2666 to run optimally but 2933 or more might be unstable if using XMP.

Do you have the latest bios and the latest chipset drivers from AMD?

Currently using 2400Mhz Ram

[191x7]

1 hour ago, Diddlydennis said:

Currently using 2400Mhz Ram

Which motherboard?

 

Latest motherboard BIOS and latest chipset drivers from AMD?

 

Considered upgrading your syste with a Ryzen 5000 series?

[JustFarmer]

You have the recommended cpu, in fact, above if its the x. Your gpu is also well above the average. Never trust recommended pc specs, the studios never test on hundreds of machine configurations, its all random bull mostly. You also have a lot of ram, double the amount in theory needed, in fact it shouldnt even use 8gb. As with your gpu, 8gb. Far cry asks for 4 gb. Once that stuff is loaded in the gpu memory of which you nearly have double, its not fetching from the general system ram or talking a lot to the cpu on fetch quests. Meaning in general, your pc is overboard for the game and the game cant use your pc to its limit.

 

Its that, possibly tied with some sort of general os configuration and drivers. Elden ring is a mess of a game in this sense, recommended 3600, minimum 3300. From 3gb to 8 gb of video ram, system ram from 12 to 16. Those minimum and recommended specs dont even make sense.

 

FPS please?

Edited January 8, 2023 by JustFarmer
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[Mark Kaine]

On 1/6/2023 at 9:27 PM, Diddlydennis said:

CPU is usually less than 50%.

thats likely your issue,  your looking at irrelevant things . you need to look at per core usage,  not overall. 

 

many games just use 2 cores or something so what will overall cpu usage tell you?  Nothing,  except it's 100% .

 

7 hours ago, JustFarmer said:

Meaning in general, your pc is overboard for the game and the game cant use your pc to its limit.

that doesn't make sense then it would hit 60fps easily. 

[JustFarmer]

43 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

that doesn't make sense then it would hit 60fps easily. 

Thats why I asked for a benchmark but its clear that something is up with the os, the bios and the drivers. The way I see it, the recommended specs for elden is a minimum of 3300, he is in a similar situation to the first example as mentioned with a 1600x, none of this makes any sense. By recommended and minimum specs logic he shouldnt even be playing elden ring, so the cpu is getting what it can from the gpu in theory considering he is managing elden ring similar, getting near 60 frames with even less use of a 1600x in comparison to the theorized minimum spec of 3300. None of it makes sense, its all bonkers. When that happens, its either the game and a combination of os, bios and drivers plus who knows what programs running around or the poster is on the dark side of the moon and I am in Saturn without a sega logo.

 

A simple video of a single benchmark on a 1600, not x in theory and a gtx 1060, gives about a general 50% cpu use from the limited footage I have seen. The gpu, the 1060 at anything from 30 to 90. Bats in the belfry insanity.

[Mark Kaine]

5 minutes ago, JustFarmer said:

Thats why I asked for a benchmark but its clear that something is up with the os, the bios and the drivers.

i mean yes, something is off, i was just saying its not because his system is too powerful,  never cant have enough power from a performance perspective. Maybe i misunderstood what you meant...

 

 

Honestly... in *almost all cases like this* its just game settings and people not fully understanding them , which i don't blame them for, its often really badly explained,  some settings are counter intuitive and it does require quite some experience and time investment, which not everyone can or wants to do. 

[Mark Kaine]

On 1/6/2023 at 9:43 PM, PDifolco said:

SoTR (game) has a very good benchmark result screen that shows performance of each part, try it if you can 

it can be useful, to understand how settings,  cpu and and gpu work,  but outside of that im not sure how helpful it is for another game, although i can imagine it being actually quite similar game engine load wise, not sure. 

 

 

i dunno how helpful this is (for me specifically) my interpretation here is the cpu simply telling the gpu "wtf u doing, bro!?"

 

although i find it remarkable how "in sync" they are...

[JustFarmer]

Farcray 5 has a benchmark in game I think, I have seen two already. 1600 and 1600x, 1070 and 1080 g1. The same more or less, 50% general use both cpu and gpu. So, yes. About 60 to 90 frames on both cpus and cards. Though the 6600 in theory should be superior?, so; drivers, os, bios or a lot of hardcore and batmans.

 

These games are 100% not using that cpu and gpu to limits and never will. Maybe with a ton of mods.

Edited January 8, 2023 by JustFarmer
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[PDifolco]

10 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

it can be useful, to understand how settings,  cpu and and gpu work,  but outside of that im not sure how helpful it is for another game, although i can imagine it being actually quite similar game engine load wise, not sure. 

 

 

i dunno how helpful this is (for me specifically) my interpretation here is the cpu simply telling the gpu "wtf u doing, bro!?"

 

although i find it remarkable how "in sync" they are...

Well I gave this benchmark as an illustrated clear example of how things work in games and what's a bottleneck

All games have different CPU/GPU requirements but SoTR is kinda middle of the road

Yours tells you're GPU limited which is surprising tho with a 3070 at 1080p, maybe due to the CPU being so good at gaming