"Random" shut offs

[Cyberat]

Deepcool and other brands that boast 2500rpm, will push more than that, but then again, they're not branded "quiet" and don't have hyped names or paid to list 1st on Amazon and Best Buy. I purchased a 15,000rpm exhaust fan for my box and it's not bigger than 120mm, in fact I think it's an 80mm. Had to mount it externally, extreme and not for CPU, but solutions do exist.

[Bombastinator]

2 hours ago, Cyberat said:

Deepcool and other brands that boast 2500rpm, will push more than that, but then again, they're not branded "quiet" and don't have hyped names or paid to list 1st on Amazon and Best Buy. I purchased a 15,000rpm exhaust fan for my box and it's not bigger than 120mm, in fact I think it's an 80mm. Had to mount it externally, extreme and not for CPU, but solutions do exist.

15,000 rpm 80mm?!  Wow.  And that will run off a standard motherboard fan port?  I consider 3000-5000 rpm to be a high speed fan in consumer grade computer world.  Even for little fans.  That would be some server room type stuff I think.  Don’t put your fingers in it.

[grim9x8]

On 12/17/2022 at 3:15 PM, IkeaGnome said:

No, but it was suggested long enough ago and you didn't say anything to it so I was wondering if you did try that and it made it worse, or if you didn't try it. 

got it booted again failed to reseat the ram while testing slots. took your advice ran asus armor crate to update mother board and though it might be premature havent shut down in a day so you'll get the solve thanks for the help.

[IkeaGnome]

On 12/17/2022 at 8:11 PM, Bombastinator said:

Might have happened. Might not.  My understanding is these days CPUs throttle before they can overcook, unless you mean something different. The higher the temperature albedo is the more efficient a cooler is. It seems to be about how well a given cooler works at a given fan speed and a given amount of heat it needs to clear.  Overkill seems to reliably work though.  That’s what I wound up with. I don’t know of a way to get more than 80some cfm without water. 

Good luck. You're just going to go in circles with that user. CFM>Every other metric ever for cooling according to them. There's nothing else that could effect CPU temps ever. Also 75C is melting CPUs apparently? We'll just ignore manufacturer's specs here.

 

20 minutes ago, grim9x8 said:

got it booted again failed to reseat the ram while testing slots. took your advice ran asus armor crate to update mother board and though it might be premature havent shut down in a day so you'll get the solve thanks for the help.

Glad you got it sorted. What did you end up doing to get it to post again?

[Bombastinator]

5 hours ago, IkeaGnome said:

Good luck. You're just going to go in circles with that user. CFM>Every other metric ever for cooling according to them. There's nothing else that could effect CPU temps ever. Also 75C is melting CPUs apparently? We'll just ignore manufacturer's specs here.

 

Glad you got it sorted. What did you end up doing to get it to post again?

Not sure what you are referring to with the circles statement.  Might not matter.
the problem seems to be that every metric seems to be messed with in some way. There seems to be a concentrated effort to prevent consumers from having a number they can look at and tell what kind of job the thing will do in their use case.  I could take a zalman flower cooler, which will barely keep stock chips at temp, and put a bloweymatron in it whereupon it would be whatever cfm bloweymatrons are.  Still wouldn’t want one in my machine. The idea is to have max cooling with minimum noise.  That’s why open loop is still the king even though it’s orders of magnitude more expensive.  So is CFM a useful number? Sure.  So is total fin surface area. It’s a cfm, total surface area, plate flatness, air space between fins, total weight, and several other things.  It may be the least masticated number but that doesn’t mean it’s useful by itself.

 Afaik 75°c hasn’t been an issue for CPUs for many years. Or at least not much of one. That’s why it’s bingo for me.  Bingo for many CPUs is 95-100°c. I don’t know what’s involved in that determination so I go with the lower number with CPUs that have ZIF sockets.  If it’s something that’s soldered down like a laptop it’s likely to have a bunch of other non-replacable parts as well, and the slow slow “melt” from going over temp will be slow enough that something else unreplacable will break first, so there’s no reason to protect it.   It might be that 95°c doesn’t harm things at all in the long term, in which case I’m just being an idiot.  If the things will do 15 or 20 years at 95°c without degradation the. There’s no reason to keep things so low.  The problem is the definition of “forever” is often when it goes out of warranty so in some instances anything longer than 90 days.    How old was I when I last thought of 90 days as “forever”? 2? 3?I’ve got a machine I put together in either late 2014 or early 2015.  It still games (barely) it’s already starting to gain a few degrees of temp, so I doubt it has 5 more years left in it, though by the time it dies it may still run current non-game software acceptably if not especially well.  Long enough to see the end of windows10.  It will hork and die as a Linux machine. At least according to the understanding I was given.  Maybe the cpu will go on much longer because that 75°c thing is stupid.  I don’t know.  I know temps have climbed about 5°c since I built it though.