wall of text Couple of questions about making a list on PCpartpicker (compatibility mainly)

[podkall]

So I know roughly how to put together a list, but few of the things I still am not 100% sure on.

 

Here's a list I made now with 13th gen Intel on a ~1300USD budget: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qChRhk

 

I know if someone were to buy all those parts the machine would probably work.

 

Question 1:

But, how do I know if the Silcone Power RAM is compatible with  MSI PRO Z690-A?

 

Like I know just the MB and RAM being same DDR isn't always guarantee,

maybe this is a Ryzen thing, but I don't want to recommend something that could potentially not work.

 

I'm obviously vigilant, I go to to MSI website here: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-Z690-A-DDR4/support#mem

And I find this:

It found the brand, but the model is different,

also "supported speed".

Is that the same thing as (i5 12600k) this?:

 

"Memory type" of CPU is 3200MT but it's 99% possible to run 3600 or 4000 or even faster RAM with it probably.

Does the same thing apply to the MB?

Is the model number only important sometimes?

 

If it's just a Ryzen thing what should I know? / How should I procceed to avoid RAM incompatibility?

 

Question 2:

PCpartpicker says:

"The Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black 55 CFM CPU Cooler may require a separately available mounting adapter to fit the MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard."

 

Does that mean anything? Because the cooler is under 1700LGA socket list, why would it need seperate mounting adapter?

 

Question 3:

Cooler Master G700 700 W 80+ Gold Certified - isn't on the PSU tier list.

 

Can the PSU handle my "high end build", just for the sake that it's 80+ Gold and Cooler Master being qute reputable brand? (and obviously enough W juice)

 

Question 4:

There is no Motherboard tierlist for Intel, how do know if I'm not pairing 13th Gen Intel with a MB that has VRMs designed to handle only Pentium?

 

Question 5:

PCpartpicker link is great, but faster is seeing the list without having to click on the link,

is there like a command or copy-paste function that can do that?

 

Question 6:

PCpartpicker also says: " Some physical dimension constraints are currently not checked, such as CPU coolers and RAM clearance."

 

I know that's going to appear in 99% of the lists, but how does one determine ram clearance? Like for example if the RAM heatsink is very tall.

 

Thank you.

[podkall]

lil help? @PDifolco@ZetZet@brob@Pixelfie@NF-A12x25

[Ryuikko]

Are you asking for suggestions on the build or is this just questions for a hypothetical build?

 

1. Easiest way is to go to the mobo manufacturers site and usually under "specifications" there will be a long list of the boards details. At the top or so it'll show its memory support and slightly under that there will be a qvl list for the board 

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-Z690-A-WIFI-DDR4/support#mem

Seen here for the msi board in your link. Just because it's not on the qvl, it'll still more likely then not work though. Iirc storage has the same thing but I can't recall anyone have issues with it on this forum.

 

2. Pcpartpicker says that in pretty much any build, it's just a heads up. But by now pretty much all cpu coolers should ship with one considering its been a whole generation on the lga 1700 socket.

 

3. I wouldn't get that psu for a variety of reasons. I'd just stick to the standard x50 gold psus since they're more likely to be good psus. For example  the phanteks Amp is 69.99 for a 650 watt psu that's fully Modular. The extra 50 watts is negligent if the psu isn't that good in the first place

 

4. Sometimes you can just look at them, sometimes you go and find reviews for the boards in question. Msi has very good vrms for the price of their boards so I'd be confident in it handling a 13600k

 

5. Press the BB button and copy whatevers shows up, like this

PCPartPicker Part List

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor ($300.00 @ Best Buy) 

CPU Cooler: Scythe Fuma 2 Rev.B 39.44 CFM CPU Cooler ($55.99 @ Newegg Sellers) 

Motherboard: MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($159.99 @ B&H) 

Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($68.97 @ Amazon) 

Storage: Crucial P3 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($73.98 @ Amazon) 

Video Card: XFX Speedster SWFT 319 Radeon RX 6800 16 GB Video Card ($479.99 @ Newegg Sellers) 

Case: Fractal Design Focus 2 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($63.98 @ Newegg) 

Power Supply: Phanteks AMP 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $1272.89

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-11-13 11:31 EST-0500

6. It'll usually be listed on the manufacturers website, so go there if clearance is of importance. It's more so warning you if the cpu cooler is going to be to close to the stick of ram, and some coolers do overhang the memory slots. But either you could just get lpx ram or move the fan on the cpu cooler ever so slightly up

[PDifolco]

5 hours ago, podkall said:

So I know roughly how to put together a list, but few of the things I still am not 100% sure on.

 

Here's a list I made now with 13th gen Intel on a ~1300USD budget: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qChRhk

 

I know if someone were to buy all those parts the machine would probably work.

 

Question 1:

But, how do I know if the Silcone Power RAM is compatible with  MSI PRO Z690-A?

 

Like I know just the MB and RAM being same DDR isn't always guarantee,

maybe this is a Ryzen thing, but I don't want to recommend something that could potentially not work.

 

I'm obviously vigilant, I go to to MSI website here: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-Z690-A-DDR4/support#mem

And I find this:

It found the brand, but the model is different,

also "supported speed".

Is that the same thing as (i5 12600k) this?:

 

"Memory type" of CPU is 3200MT but it's 99% possible to run 3600 or 4000 or even faster RAM with it probably.

Does the same thing apply to the MB?

Is the model number only important sometimes?

 

If it's just a Ryzen thing what should I know? / How should I procceed to avoid RAM incompatibility?

 

Question 2:

PCpartpicker says:

"The Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black 55 CFM CPU Cooler may require a separately available mounting adapter to fit the MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard."

 

Does that mean anything? Because the cooler is under 1700LGA socket list, why would it need seperate mounting adapter?

 

Question 3:

Cooler Master G700 700 W 80+ Gold Certified - isn't on the PSU tier list.

 

Can the PSU handle my "high end build", just for the sake that it's 80+ Gold and Cooler Master being qute reputable brand? (and obviously enough W juice)

 

Question 4:

There is no Motherboard tierlist for Intel, how do know if I'm not pairing 13th Gen Intel with a MB that has VRMs designed to handle only Pentium?

 

Question 5:

PCpartpicker link is great, but faster is seeing the list without having to click on the link,

is there like a command or copy-paste function that can do that?

 

Question 6:

PCpartpicker also says: " Some physical dimension constraints are currently not checked, such as CPU coolers and RAM clearance."

 

I know that's going to appear in 99% of the lists, but how does one determine ram clearance? Like for example if the RAM heatsink is very tall.

 

Thank you.

Too many questions, man

Q1 : all RAM are compatible with any board supporting them (I mean same DDR gen), what can happen is that some brands (in fact depends on the chip inside Samsung/Micron/Hynix) will be better or worse on XMP/OC than others on a given platform

Q2 : any new cooler, esp. Noctua, will ship with LGA1700 adapters (I got  a NH-12 redux 6 months ago it was already the case, mounted it on a 12600K for my son)

Q3 : bwwwaaa.. I won't use a non rated PSU for anything but a budget build.. Get a RM750 or better

Q4 : Z690 are all very good on VRM, you may have problems with a low end H610 board not with a Z690

Q5 : there's a tab with small "Markup" section over the build in pcp, with a "T" button that copy the build as text, and a "BB" button for linking all parts

Q6 : you won't have any issues fitting a NH-U12S over any RAM, nor a 6750XT in any standard size case.. But yours is pretty cheapo for the build, can't you get a $90 ish Corsair or Phanteks case ?

 

See ya soon mate 

 

 

[ZetZet]

Q1: It will work just fine. RAM compatibility is mostly CPU dependent since the memory controller is on the CPU. 

 

Q2: U12S chromax black has the kit included already. 

Q3: It's a fine PSU, just very budget. I'd get this one instead https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4xGnTW/phanteks-amp-650-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ph-p650g_us01

 

Q4: Reviews. That particular MSI board will be great. 

 

 

 

[brob]

1. In addition to motherboard memory QVL several memory manufacturers have motherboard QVL. G.Skill is particularly good at this. For Intel, provided a memory kit conforms with the motherboard's memory specification and is XMP compliant, the kit should work. Similar rule of thumb for AM5, except look for EXPO compliance.
2. Pcpartpicker is conservative in its notes. With new sockets there is a chance that older cooler stock will not be compatible even while the manufacturer is shipping compatible units. If buying from a web site make sure the merchant's product page lists the required compatibility. That way the product can be returned if necessary. When buying from a local merchant, make sure the product packaging lists the necessary compatibility.
3. It is on https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/ in the Speculative Position section of Tier B.
4. Grossly simplified, for a particular chipset price pretty much reflects quality and features. These days motherboards using the top tier chipset can easily run any cpu in the family at stock settings. For higher performance goals motherboard web pages generally outline VRM. Reviews are also a useful reference.
5. 
6. I find a search for the memory module name and "height" generally produces a useful number. Cooler clearances can be a bit trickier. Most product web pages will list a memory clearance height. However, some will list fin clearance and not the fan in its usual position. CPU cooler reviews are useful in this case. One also has to factor in case clearance in some situations as it may prevent raising the outer fan. Another dimension that is often overlooked is radiator thickness. For example, many midsized cases often have issues fitting a top mount 280 AIO with tall memory or VRM. This is especially true for the thicker Arctic Liquid Freezer II. With front mount AIO one has to take into account GPU length along with AIO thickness in smaller cases.

 

[podkall]

Just for clarity @Ryuikko@PDifolco@ZetZet I'm not planning to buy a new build, it's a theoredical list I made, I guess I should have been more clear on that when writing the post.

 

I was just asking questions so I could help other people buy new builds, because I'd like to help and sometimes I see myself being the only planner/helper online so I don't want to be a bad build planner.

 

2 hours ago, Ryuikko said:

5. Press the BB button and copy whatevers shows up, like this

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($300.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black 55 CFM CPU Cooler  ($79.95 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ B&H)
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($40.97 @ Amazon)
Storage: Silicon Power P34A60 512 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($33.49 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GAMING X TRIO Radeon RX 6750 XT 12 GB Video Card  ($519.99 @ Newegg)
Case: DIYPC DIY-BG01 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($47.97 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Cooler Master G700 700 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1242.35
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-11-13 14:15 EST-0500

 

2 hours ago, Ryuikko said:

I'd just stick to the standard x50 gold psus since they're more likely to be good psus.

what is "standard x50 gold psus"?

 

thx @Ryuikko

 

2 hours ago, PDifolco said:

Too many questions, man

Better than making 6 different posts.

 

2 hours ago, PDifolco said:

non rated PSU

non rated by no rating on the partpicker? because it's "80+ Gold"

 

2 hours ago, PDifolco said:

Q5 : there's a tab with small "Markup" section over the build in pcp, with a "T" button that copy the build as text, and a "BB" button for linking all parts

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Xy2gNc

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($300.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Scythe Fuma 2 Rev.B 39.44 CFM CPU Cooler  ($55.99 @ Newegg Sellers)
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ B&H)
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($68.97 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial P3 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($73.98 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Speedster SWFT 319 Radeon RX 6800 16 GB Video Card  ($479.99 @ Newegg Sellers)
Case: Fractal Design Focus 2 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  ($63.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Phanteks AMP 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1272.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-11-13 14:20 EST-0500

 

2 hours ago, PDifolco said:

See ya soon mate 

See ya bro.

 

2 hours ago, ZetZet said:

Q1: It will work just fine. RAM compatibility is mostly CPU dependent since the memory controller is on the CPU. 

right, thx @ZetZet

 

1 hour ago, brob said:

Pcpartpicker is conservative in its notes. With new sockets there is a chance that older cooler stock will not be compatible even while the manufacturer is shipping compatible units. If buying from a web site make sure the merchant's product page lists the required compatibility. That way the product can be returned if necessary. When buying from a local merchant, make sure the product packaging lists the necessary compatibility.

I see..

1 hour ago, brob said:

It is on https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/ in the Speculative Position section of Tier B.

I'll be sure to have this site bookmarked.

 

thx @brob

[Ryuikko]

29 minutes ago, podkall said:

what is "standard x50 gold psus"?

Such as 650 gold 750 gold 850 gold etc. They're usually better than 700 watt psus 800 watt psus etc. There are some exceptions like corsairs 600 sfx psu which is one of the best sfx psus on the market, but most usually follow this rule

[podkall]

20 minutes ago, Ryuikko said:

Such as 650 gold 750 gold 850 gold etc. They're usually better than 700 watt psus 800 watt psus etc. There are some exceptions like corsairs 600 sfx psu which is one of the best sfx psus on the market, but most usually follow this rule

That's good to know while it lasts inside my head.