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6 minutes ago, turbo6000 said:

the only issue I have with this build is that I have never updated a bios before and may have a bit of a challenge in doing that, if my understanding is correct, I need a cpu to be able to update it and I have none that are compatible with the newer builds im afraid.

You don't actually need that with this system. That board has BIOS flashback so all you need in order to do a BIOS update is a flash drive and about 5 minutes. There are tutorials online for how to do that, but IMO just following the instructions in the motherboard manual is the easiest way to go (you can download the manual and review the instructions before buying the board if you want to see how to do it)

 

8 minutes ago, turbo6000 said:

Oh and I am also unsure if the cpu cooler would have enough space as I have never actually used one before.

It should be fine to mount at the top of the case, 240mm AIOs are pretty easy to fit in cases. The GPU will barely fit (I've used the same card in the same case before), but it will fit. If you would feel more comfortable, the Corsair 4000D Airflow is another really good case and has better AIO clearance and GPU clearance for not that much more. 

 

9 minutes ago, turbo6000 said:

I also have one more question: What is MPT?

MorePowerTool. It creates Soft PowerPlay Tables that the AMD driver uses to define all the GPU clock, voltage, and power figures, and if you create one with higher limits, you can get more performance for very little effort. Currently I'm running a 6900 XT with all the limits disabled and a custom voltage setup (similar to the Radeon Tuner showed off in the last LTT video, but done manually and not with a premade profile), and in synthetic benchmarks it scores like a 3090 Ti and outperforms 80% of 6950 XTs on 3DMark Time Spy Extreme. 

 

8 minutes ago, turbo6000 said:

Or I may take parts from both of your suggested builds and combine them to maybe make them cheaper and better. Such as the cooler and ram from @RONOTHAN## but the psu and gpu from @Ryuikko. Overall the suggestions are greatly appreciated and I would like to continue until I have a somewhat optimal system ready. Thank you all very much.

That is a decent plan, though I would like to argue for the GPU and PSU I picked. With 6900 XTs, there are two revisions that exist, the XTX core and the XTXH core. The XTXH cards (like the XFX Limited card I selected) are much higher binned and don't have the low core clock limits that the XTX cards have (the XTX is limited to 3000MHz on the core and 2150MHz on the memory, while the XTXH cards are limited to 4GHz on the core and 2400MHz on the memory). The core clock limits don't really matter at ambient cooling, even the best XTXH cards top out at 2950MHz on water cooling, but the memory limit is reached on every 6900 XT out there, so that does matter. The XTXH cards are basically the same thing as a 6950 XT, while the XTX card is a bit worse. To put it in more intel naming schemes, the XTX cards are like a 12900, the XTXH cards are like a 12900K, and the 6950 XT is like the 12900KS. At stock, there is still a ~5% performance uplift by going for the XTXH cards like the Limited, but the difference is more pronounced when you're doing manual overclocking. That isn't to say an XTX card won't still be awesome, when overclocked they still perform amazingly (that 6900 XT I referenced earlier is an XTX card), but it's not a big cost difference, so I'd argue it's probably worth it. 

 

The PSU was picked because because 6900 XTs scale to insane power draws, I've seen a full system power draw (5900X and overclocked 6900 XT) of over 1000W from the wall under full load, so a 1000W unit was for in case you were going to overclock. If you're just gonna leave the cards at stock or only slightly modify power limits, the 850W will do just fine. 

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Budget: 1600/1700 gdp

Country: UK

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: The cycle, Stalker, VR games also a fair amount of photo shop.

Other details: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/3RgbZw

This is the build so far, I do not need any peripherals or monitors as I already have those from my current system. Simply want a better PC. I just wanted to know if there are any alternatives or better items for the same price that I could use here instead, like maybe theres a part thats slightly more expensive but offers like 20% more performance if you catch my meaning. Any kind of feedback is appreciated, thank you.

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Some slight changes can get you a 13600kf which is going to be way better than a 5800x

The 6900xt will perfrom similarly to a 6950xt since the 6950xt is just factory overclocked 

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CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor (£326.48 @ Scan.co.uk) 

CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler (£65.00 @ Computer Orbit) 

Motherboard: NZXT N5 Z690 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (£159.98 @ Scan.co.uk) 

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£92.49 @ Amazon UK) 

Storage: Crucial P2 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (£121.97 @ CCL Computers) 

Video Card: XFX Speedster SWFT 319 Radeon RX 6900 XT 16 GB Video Card (£677.99 @ Amazon UK) 

Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 205 Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case (£72.17 @ Technextday) 

Power Supply: Fractal Design Ion Gold 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£112.99 @ Amazon UK) 

Total: £1629.07

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Do you own any of those parts already, or would you be acquiring them all for this system? There are things like the motherboard and CPU cooler that unless you already own them make absolutely no sense to buy, but if you do already own them they don't make sense to upgrade (except that CPU cooler, the Ryzen 7 chips are a bit warm and really can use a better cooler). If you do own any of these, which parts do you own? If you don't own any of those, this is a much better system for the same price

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/R8xsBj

 

The 13600KF is a much faster CPU than the 5800X, the cooler is a fair bit better as well, the motherboard is Z690 so you can do a bit of overclocking on the 13600K if you feel like it (that chip does have a fair bit of headroom on it), cheaper kit of RAM, better case, much better PSU, and a 6900 XT instead of a 6950 XT, which the only difference between those two is a slightly higher out of the box power limit (that can be easily bypassed with something like MPT and get identical performance out of the two cards) and a 50MHz higher max memory clock, might as well save the money. 

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25 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Do you own any of those parts already, or would you be acquiring them all for this system? There are things like the motherboard and CPU cooler that unless you already own them make absolutely no sense to buy, but if you do already own them they don't make sense to upgrade (except that CPU cooler, the Ryzen 7 chips are a bit warm and really can use a better cooler). If you do own any of these, which parts do you own? If you don't own any of those, this is a much better system for the same price

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/R8xsBj

 

The 13600KF is a much faster CPU than the 5800X, the cooler is a fair bit better as well, the motherboard is Z690 so you can do a bit of overclocking on the 13600K if you feel like it (that chip does have a fair bit of headroom on it), cheaper kit of RAM, better case, much better PSU, and a 6900 XT instead of a 6950 XT, which the only difference between those two is a slightly higher out of the box power limit (that can be easily bypassed with something like MPT and get identical performance out of the two cards) and a 50MHz higher max memory clock, might as well save the money. 

This will all be newly purchased parts.

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34 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Do you own any of those parts already, or would you be acquiring them all for this system? There are things like the motherboard and CPU cooler that unless you already own them make absolutely no sense to buy, but if you do already own them they don't make sense to upgrade (except that CPU cooler, the Ryzen 7 chips are a bit warm and really can use a better cooler). If you do own any of these, which parts do you own? If you don't own any of those, this is a much better system for the same price

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/R8xsBj

 

The 13600KF is a much faster CPU than the 5800X, the cooler is a fair bit better as well, the motherboard is Z690 so you can do a bit of overclocking on the 13600K if you feel like it (that chip does have a fair bit of headroom on it), cheaper kit of RAM, better case, much better PSU, and a 6900 XT instead of a 6950 XT, which the only difference between those two is a slightly higher out of the box power limit (that can be easily bypassed with something like MPT and get identical performance out of the two cards) and a 50MHz higher max memory clock, might as well save the money. 

the only issue I have with this build is that I have never updated a bios before and may have a bit of a challenge in doing that, if my understanding is correct, I need a cpu to be able to update it and I have none that are compatible with the newer builds im afraid. Oh and I am also unsure if the cpu cooler would have enough space as I have never actually used one before. Aside from those two worries, I believe I may actually go ahead with this build after doing some more research. Thank you very much,

I also have one more question: What is MPT?

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Or I may take parts from both of your suggested builds and combine them to maybe make them cheaper and better. Such as the cooler and ram from @RONOTHAN## but the psu and gpu from @Ryuikko. Overall the suggestions are greatly appreciated and I would like to continue until I have a somewhat optimal system ready. Thank you all very much.

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6 minutes ago, turbo6000 said:

the only issue I have with this build is that I have never updated a bios before and may have a bit of a challenge in doing that, if my understanding is correct, I need a cpu to be able to update it and I have none that are compatible with the newer builds im afraid.

You don't actually need that with this system. That board has BIOS flashback so all you need in order to do a BIOS update is a flash drive and about 5 minutes. There are tutorials online for how to do that, but IMO just following the instructions in the motherboard manual is the easiest way to go (you can download the manual and review the instructions before buying the board if you want to see how to do it)

 

8 minutes ago, turbo6000 said:

Oh and I am also unsure if the cpu cooler would have enough space as I have never actually used one before.

It should be fine to mount at the top of the case, 240mm AIOs are pretty easy to fit in cases. The GPU will barely fit (I've used the same card in the same case before), but it will fit. If you would feel more comfortable, the Corsair 4000D Airflow is another really good case and has better AIO clearance and GPU clearance for not that much more. 

 

9 minutes ago, turbo6000 said:

I also have one more question: What is MPT?

MorePowerTool. It creates Soft PowerPlay Tables that the AMD driver uses to define all the GPU clock, voltage, and power figures, and if you create one with higher limits, you can get more performance for very little effort. Currently I'm running a 6900 XT with all the limits disabled and a custom voltage setup (similar to the Radeon Tuner showed off in the last LTT video, but done manually and not with a premade profile), and in synthetic benchmarks it scores like a 3090 Ti and outperforms 80% of 6950 XTs on 3DMark Time Spy Extreme. 

 

8 minutes ago, turbo6000 said:

Or I may take parts from both of your suggested builds and combine them to maybe make them cheaper and better. Such as the cooler and ram from @RONOTHAN## but the psu and gpu from @Ryuikko. Overall the suggestions are greatly appreciated and I would like to continue until I have a somewhat optimal system ready. Thank you all very much.

That is a decent plan, though I would like to argue for the GPU and PSU I picked. With 6900 XTs, there are two revisions that exist, the XTX core and the XTXH core. The XTXH cards (like the XFX Limited card I selected) are much higher binned and don't have the low core clock limits that the XTX cards have (the XTX is limited to 3000MHz on the core and 2150MHz on the memory, while the XTXH cards are limited to 4GHz on the core and 2400MHz on the memory). The core clock limits don't really matter at ambient cooling, even the best XTXH cards top out at 2950MHz on water cooling, but the memory limit is reached on every 6900 XT out there, so that does matter. The XTXH cards are basically the same thing as a 6950 XT, while the XTX card is a bit worse. To put it in more intel naming schemes, the XTX cards are like a 12900, the XTXH cards are like a 12900K, and the 6950 XT is like the 12900KS. At stock, there is still a ~5% performance uplift by going for the XTXH cards like the Limited, but the difference is more pronounced when you're doing manual overclocking. That isn't to say an XTX card won't still be awesome, when overclocked they still perform amazingly (that 6900 XT I referenced earlier is an XTX card), but it's not a big cost difference, so I'd argue it's probably worth it. 

 

The PSU was picked because because 6900 XTs scale to insane power draws, I've seen a full system power draw (5900X and overclocked 6900 XT) of over 1000W from the wall under full load, so a 1000W unit was for in case you were going to overclock. If you're just gonna leave the cards at stock or only slightly modify power limits, the 850W will do just fine. 

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23 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

You don't actually need that with this system. That board has BIOS flashback so all you need in order to do a BIOS update is a flash drive and about 5 minutes. There are tutorials online for how to do that, but IMO just following the instructions in the motherboard manual is the easiest way to go (you can download the manual and review the instructions before buying the board if you want to see how to do it)

 

It should be fine to mount at the top of the case, 240mm AIOs are pretty easy to fit in cases. The GPU will barely fit (I've used the same card in the same case before), but it will fit. If you would feel more comfortable, the Corsair 4000D Airflow is another really good case and has better AIO clearance and GPU clearance for not that much more. 

 

MorePowerTool. It creates Soft PowerPlay Tables that the AMD driver uses to define all the GPU clock, voltage, and power figures, and if you create one with higher limits, you can get more performance for very little effort. Currently I'm running a 6900 XT with all the limits disabled and a custom voltage setup (similar to the Radeon Tuner showed off in the last LTT video, but done manually and not with a premade profile), and in synthetic benchmarks it scores like a 3090 Ti and outperforms 80% of 6950 XTs on 3DMark Time Spy Extreme. 

 

That is a decent plan, though I would like to argue for the GPU and PSU I picked. With 6900 XTs, there are two revisions that exist, the XTX core and the XTXH core. The XTXH cards (like the XFX Limited card I selected) are much higher binned and don't have the low core clock limits that the XTX cards have (the XTX is limited to 3000MHz on the core and 2150MHz on the memory, while the XTXH cards are limited to 4GHz on the core and 2400MHz on the memory). The core clock limits don't really matter at ambient cooling, even the best XTXH cards top out at 2950MHz on water cooling, but the memory limit is reached on every 6900 XT out there, so that does matter. The XTXH cards are basically the same thing as a 6950 XT, while the XTX card is a bit worse. To put it in more intel naming schemes, the XTX cards are like a 12900, the XTXH cards are like a 12900K, and the 6950 XT is like the 12900KS. At stock, there is still a ~5% performance uplift by going for the XTXH cards like the Limited, but the difference is more pronounced when you're doing manual overclocking. That isn't to say an XTX card won't still be awesome, when overclocked they still perform amazingly (that 6900 XT I referenced earlier is an XTX card), but it's not a big cost difference, so I'd argue it's probably worth it. 

 

The PSU was picked because because 6900 XTs scale to insane power draws, I've seen a full system power draw (5900X and overclocked 6900 XT) of over 1000W from the wall under full load, so a 1000W unit was for in case you were going to overclock. If you're just gonna leave the cards at stock or only slightly modify power limits, the 850W will do just fine. 

I see, thank you for all this information. The BIOS solution is actually very simple so thanks for clarifying. Mounting the cooler sounds easy enough so that is no longer an issue.I think ill go with the gpu you recommended in this case, if my understanding is correct, the XFX card is better as they dont have a core clock limit, allowing for a much higher overclock ability but in return demand a lot more power. In my case, I won't be doing any extreme overclocking apart from maybe making use of MPT to increase the voltage in order to get the performance similar to the 6950xt. So i would most likely go with the 850 psu and make some slight adjustments to the overall gpu which I will look into when I purchase it. Again, thanks for helping with this matter.

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In my case, I won't be doing any extreme overclocking apart from maybe making use of MPT to increase the voltage in order to get the performance similar to the 6950xt.

Just want to put a small astrisk there, you want to increase the power target of the card, not the voltage. In something like Time Spy Extreme (the test I found consumed the most power on that card), you go from ~400W power consumption with limits disabled to ~450-475W with just a 50mV power increase. You do get an extra 100-150MHz from that voltage bump, but for a daily card it's not worth it. If you set a 350-400W power limit and leave the voltages where they are, you should get a decent performance bump (into the neighborhood of 6950 XT levels of performance) with very little actual work. 

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I see, so i should only increase the power limit. This will be a daily card. This build is quite nice now and I think this its good to go. Thank you all for the help.

This is the final version I have now: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/bwtnFg

The psu was swapped out for the 850 one as I won't be doing much overclocking.

 

*Edit: I assume that I am attaching the cpu cooler to the top of the case where the opening is where I would normally put down just a regular case fan. Please correct me if im wrong.

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2 hours ago, turbo6000 said:

Budget: 1600/1700 gdp

Country: UK

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: The cycle, Stalker, VR games also a fair amount of photo shop.

Other details: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/3RgbZw

This is the build so far, I do not need any peripherals or monitors as I already have those from my current system. Simply want a better PC. I just wanted to know if there are any alternatives or better items for the same price that I could use here instead, like maybe theres a part thats slightly more expensive but offers like 20% more performance if you catch my meaning. Any kind of feedback is appreciated, thank you.

I would recommend these changes. Definitely for Adobe, I would recommend a NVIDIA gpu (I do anyways 😛 ). You don't need more than a 3070Ti or 3080 for even 1440p. If you're working with 1080p, this is more than enough too. Much better cpu cooler, and a far better psu and case combo too.

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/ntgBY9

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor  (£239.25 @ NeoComputers) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black 55 CFM CPU Cooler  (£74.98 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£169.00 @ Computer Orbit) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (£92.49 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£144.98 @ Scan.co.uk) 
Video Card: MSI VENTUS 3X OC GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8 GB Video Card  (£671.49 @ CCL Computers) 
Case: NZXT H510 Flow ATX Mid Tower Case  (£87.84 @ SmartTeck.co.uk) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£115.99 @ Amazon UK) 
£1596.02

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