New Build, would love input

[asimon00]

Budget (including currency): 1700

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: CSGO, Overwatch, Apex, f1, Total War, Stellaris

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

Hello, this is a build that I am looking to build within the next month. I will be using the hard drives from my old PC so I wont have those listed. I have 2 144hz Monitors that I on using as-well

The Build:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rbJfC6

 the only error is not knowing if the power supply fits. 

 

[dizmo]

Welcome to the forum!

 

Things I'd change:

• 5900x to 13600k.
• Grab a larger AIO, or a good air cooler. My vote goes for a good air cooler.
• Is there a reason you went mATX? You don't save much space over an ATX board, and you lose out on more slots. I'd avoid mATX honestly.
• Check the PSU against LTT's PSU Tier List. Make sure it's in the top 2 categories.
• Wait for Black Friday, buy what's discounted.

[asimon00]

Thanks for the input! I went with AMD because I have been a long time supporter. Is there a Ryzen that you would recommend? I am also using mAtx to help get a smaller case. I am mainly looking for a smaller case with good airflow. Would you recommend a Noctua air cooler?

thank you for the warm welcome

-Anthony

[PDifolco]

2 minutes ago, asimon00 said:

Thanks for the input! I went with AMD because I have been a long time supporter. Is there a Ryzen that you would recommend? I am also using mAtx to help get a smaller case. I am mainly looking for a smaller case with good airflow. Would you recommend a Noctua air cooler?

thank you for the warm welcome

-Anthony

Unfortunately the only AMD CPU currently superior to Intel 13rd gen is the 7950X... For any lesser budget just get a 13600K

[asimon00]

15 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Unfortunately the only AMD CPU currently superior to Intel 13rd gen is the 7950X... For any lesser budget just get a 13600K

Thank you for the input! What do you happen to know the longevity if this processor, ( will I have to upgrade in two-three years ) and do you happen to know how it performs in CSGO? That is usually my main game. 

[shermn8r]

Just now, asimon00 said:

Thank you for the input! What do you happen to know the longevity if this processor, ( will I have to upgrade in two-three years ) and do you happen to know how it performs in CSGO? That is usually my main game. 

The new 13th gen processor will last you quite a while around 5-10 years if well maintained along with your whole PC, and the only reason you'd upgrade is if you just want better performance ,but for playing 1080p at 144hz this is perfect and even 2k at 144hz it performs well. In CSGO it would get way more than the 144hz that you need especially with the 3070 so no need to worry about that. Overall with the i5-13600k and a 3070 or even 3070ti it should last you 4-5 years maybe longer, it just depends if you want to be in the new of everything.

[brob]

4 hours ago, asimon00 said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rbJfC6

 the only error is not knowing if the power supply fits

 

The PSU is 160mm long which is the maximum supported by the case.

 

As others have suggested, the i5-13600K(F) is a better choice for the use case.

 

If none of the "hard drives" are SSD, you should get an NVMe drive. 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($309.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK500 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z790M-PLUS D4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($199.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($74.97 @ Amazon) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 PRO 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($67.98 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC Rev 2.0 GeForce RTX 3070 LHR 8 GB Video Card  ($519.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Deepcool MATREXX 40 3FS MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($68.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Phanteks AMP 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($97.59 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1389.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-10-25 21:43 EDT-0400

[asimon00]

1 hour ago, brob said:

 

The PSU is 160mm long which is the maximum supported by the case.

 

As others have suggested, the i5-13600K(F) is a better choice for the use case.

 

If none of the "hard drives" are SSD, you should get an NVMe drive. 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($309.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK500 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z790M-PLUS D4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($199.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($74.97 @ Amazon) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 PRO 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($67.98 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC Rev 2.0 GeForce RTX 3070 LHR 8 GB Video Card  ($519.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Deepcool MATREXX 40 3FS MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($68.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Phanteks AMP 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($97.59 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1389.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-10-25 21:43 EDT-0400

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KX9rnt

 

This is my new list with the intel processor. It is still giving me a bunch of errors regardless of what motherboard I choose. Is there any way to fix this?

[brob]

27 minutes ago, asimon00 said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KX9rnt

 

This is my new list with the intel processor. It is still giving me a bunch of errors regardless of what motherboard I choose. Is there any way to fix this?

 

These are mostly warnings, not errors.

 

The Pure Rock 2 does not have the performance to handle the 180W Max Power of the i5-1300K.

 

The 4-pin motherboard power connector probably doesn't need to be used, but given a lack of experience with the CPU I'd want confirmation from MSI. I believe the 750W model has the additional power connector.

 

A motherboard BIOS that supports the i5-13600K has been available since the middle of July so it's likely any recently made inventory would not need a BIOS update. However, the motherboard does require a working CPU to flash the BIOS so the BIOS version should be verified before purchase.

 

I don't believe the motherboard supports CPU overclocking.

 

You may want to get the USB-C front panel port add-on for the case.1

[Queen Chrysalis]

A 12600k is really not much different from a 13600k.  The 4 e-cores on the 12600k should be plenty, the 4 extra e-cores on the 13600k don;t really justify the price.  The small performance difference on the p-cores in negligible when they're already way faster than they need to be, and none of the games you mentioned will ever even come close to using all of the p-cores on the 12600k, let alone the e-cores.  Realisitically, you should just be getting a 5600 and a b450 board for this, and you'd be well under $1000 for the same performance in game,

 

A Peerless Assassin 120 is gonna be able to keep either cool for less than the pure rock 2.  

 

You can also get a motherboard with onboard wifi and bluetooth for the same price.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor  ($269.99 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($39.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B660 GAMING X AX DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($139.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($79.98 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI VENTUS 2X OC GeForce RTX 3070 LHR 8 GB Video Card  ($499.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Fractal Design Focus 2 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Phanteks AMP 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1179.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-10-26 08:51 EDT-0400

 

With a 5600 (no real difference in game performance), onboard wifi and bluetooth, and going back to the case you had originally selected:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($139.00 @ Best Buy) 
CPU Cooler: ID-COOLING SE-214-XT 68.2 CFM CPU Cooler  ($19.98 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B550M-VC WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($79.98 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Zotac GAMING AMP Holo GeForce RTX 3070 LHR 8 GB Video Card  ($519.99 @ Newegg Sellers) 
Case: Deepcool MATREXX 40 3FS MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($68.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Phanteks AMP 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $997.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-10-26 09:16 EDT-0400

 

 

15 hours ago, dizmo said:

Is there a reason you went mATX? You don't save much space over an ATX board, and you lose out on more slots. I'd avoid mATX honestly.

Why?  Multi-GPU is dead beyond dead, and no one really ends up needing any other PCIe cards, let alone enough that mATX would not have enough expansion slots.  There's really nothing left to consider.  mATX is usually cheaper for the same model as less material is needed to produce the part.

 

[brob]

51 minutes ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

A 12600k is really not much different from a 13600k. 

 

Gaming benchmarks suggest otherwise.

 

 

[Queen Chrysalis]

11 minutes ago, brob said:

 

Gaming benchmarks suggest otherwise.

 

 

With a 3090ti and 720p, yeah there's a gulf.  With a 3070 there would never be a difference.  Especially witha  144Hz monitor.

[asimon00]

Wow, this blew up more than I thought. 
i have like 4-5 different lists right now. I am hoping to still have a smaller and slim case that has good airflow. I think I will end up choosing the i5 13600K. 
any suggestions for slim and good airflow cases are appreciated! 

[asimon00]

11 hours ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

With a 3090ti and 720p, yeah there's a gulf.  With a 3070 there would never be a difference.  Especially witha  144Hz monitor.

 

11 hours ago, brob said:

 

Gaming benchmarks suggest otherwise.

 

 

 

12 hours ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

A 12600k is really not much different from a 13600k.  The 4 e-cores on the 12600k should be plenty, the 4 extra e-cores on the 13600k don;t really justify the price.  The small performance difference on the p-cores in negligible when they're already way faster than they need to be, and none of the games you mentioned will ever even come close to using all of the p-cores on the 12600k, let alone the e-cores.  Realisitically, you should just be getting a 5600 and a b450 board for this, and you'd be well under $1000 for the same performance in game,

 

A Peerless Assassin 120 is gonna be able to keep either cool for less than the pure rock 2.  

 

You can also get a motherboard with onboard wifi and bluetooth for the same price.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor  ($269.99 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($39.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B660 GAMING X AX DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($139.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($79.98 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI VENTUS 2X OC GeForce RTX 3070 LHR 8 GB Video Card  ($499.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Fractal Design Focus 2 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Phanteks AMP 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1179.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-10-26 08:51 EDT-0400

 

With a 5600 (no real difference in game performance), onboard wifi and bluetooth, and going back to the case you had originally selected:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($139.00 @ Best Buy) 
CPU Cooler: ID-COOLING SE-214-XT 68.2 CFM CPU Cooler  ($19.98 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B550M-VC WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($79.98 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Zotac GAMING AMP Holo GeForce RTX 3070 LHR 8 GB Video Card  ($519.99 @ Newegg Sellers) 
Case: Deepcool MATREXX 40 3FS MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($68.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Phanteks AMP 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $997.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-10-26 09:16 EDT-0400

 

 

Why?  Multi-GPU is dead beyond dead, and no one really ends up needing any other PCIe cards, let alone enough that mATX would not have enough expansion slots.  There's really nothing left to consider.  mATX is usually cheaper for the same model as less material is needed to produce the part.

 

 

On 10/25/2022 at 6:59 PM, shermn8r said:

The new 13th gen processor will last you quite a while around 5-10 years if well maintained along with your whole PC, and the only reason you'd upgrade is if you just want better performance ,but for playing 1080p at 144hz this is perfect and even 2k at 144hz it performs well. In CSGO it would get way more than the 144hz that you need especially with the 3070 so no need to worry about that. Overall with the i5-13600k and a 3070 or even 3070ti it should last you 4-5 years maybe longer, it just depends if you want to be in the new of everything.

 

 

 

Hey Yall! Thanks for being so helpful.

here is the link to the new build with all of your suggestions kind of culminating into one list. Again, feedback is welcome!

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZJVDTn