Low CPU and GPU usage.

[Pulsefire]

Gaming.

CPU usage: 40%

GPU usage: 7%

GPU temps: ~87°C

GPU fan speed: 0 RPM

 

What gives? How do I force near 100% utilisation so I get more FPS?

[Takumidesh]

There are so many things can have an effect, without knowing what games you are playing, what GPU, CPU, or any other components you have, or really much else, my first guess would be throttling.

 

did you deliberately turn off the fans? have you looked to see if the fans are actually spinning but the rpm is not reported?

Again, without knowing any specs of the system it is hard to guess, but 87c is pretty high, I would guess that there is something fishy going on with cooling on the GPU

[Pulsefire]

6 minutes ago, Takumidesh said:

There are so many things can have an effect, without knowing what games you are playing, what GPU, CPU, or any other components you have, or really much else, my first guess would be throttling.

 

did you deliberately turn off the fans? have you looked to see if the fans are actually spinning but the rpm is not reported?

Again, without knowing any specs of the system it is hard to guess, but 87c is pretty high, I would guess that there is something fishy going on with cooling on the GPU

The fan turn itself off to 0 RPM mode because GPU is not hot enough.

 

EDIT: Sorry I meant the GPU isn't under heavy enough load** 

 

Fan turn itself off because the load is below 50%

Edited October 14, 2022 by Pulsefire

[johnt]

87 C is reaching the upper end of the GPU's thermal comfort zone, plus your fan isn't running? I'm confused. What computer case are you using? Which CPU, which GPU? What game(s)?

[Ralf]

19 minutes ago, Pulsefire said:

The fan turn itself off to 0 RPM mode because GPU is not hot enough.

 

EDIT: Sorry I meant the GPU isn't under heavy enough load** 

 

Fan turn itself off because the load is below 50%

Never seen a gpu that controls it's fans based on load, fan speed increases/decreases based on temperature.

[Pulsefire]

4 minutes ago, johnt said:

87 C is reaching the upper end of the GPU's thermal comfort zone, plus your fan isn't running? I'm confused. What computer case are you using? Which CPU, which GPU? What game(s)?

It's laptop MSI GE72VR 7RF Apache Pro

 

i7-7700hq

gtx 1060

16gb ddr4 2400mhz

[Pulsefire]

Just now, Ralf said:

Never seen a gpu that controls it's fans based on load, fan speed increases/decreases based on temperature.

there are quite a few which run fans based on load instead of temps

[Hairless Monkey]

8 minutes ago, Pulsefire said:

there are quite a few which run fans based on load instead of temps

Present them.

[Brooksie359]

42 minutes ago, Pulsefire said:

Gaming.

CPU usage: 40%

GPU usage: 7%

GPU temps: ~87°C

GPU fan speed: 0 RPM

 

What gives? How do I force near 100% utilisation so I get more FPS?

Just because your cpu says 40% usage doesn't mean that your cpu isn't the bottleneck. I hardly ever see my cpu at 100% even when it is the bottleneck as most programs put most of the load on a single thread and that single thread being the limiting factor. So I would look at cpu usage per thread and see if one of your threads is pinned at 100% usage. 

[Pulsefire]

5 minutes ago, Hairless Monkey Boy said:

Present them.

no thank you not worth my time

[Pulsefire]

5 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Just because your cpu says 40% usage doesn't mean that your cpu isn't the bottleneck. I hardly ever see my cpu at 100% even when it is the bottleneck as most programs put most of the load on a single thread and that single thread being the limiting factor. So I would look at cpu usage per thread and see if one of your threads is pinned at 100% usage. 

impossible to view individual core usage

[Ralf]

2 minutes ago, Pulsefire said:

impossible to view individual core usage

HWiNFO64?

[johnt]

28 minutes ago, Pulsefire said:

It's laptop MSI GE72VR 7RF Apache Pro

 

i7-7700hq

gtx 1060

16gb ddr4 2400mhz

idk if laptops come with no rpm modes for GPUs. There is usually insufficient cooling to do that once the core load picks up. But truthfully it sounds like your GPU is having a hard time staying cool and throttling it's performance. Does this happen in every game or certain ones?

[Pulsefire]

9 minutes ago, Ralf said:

HWiNFO64?

all equal load from what i can tell

[Pulsefire]

2 minutes ago, johnt said:

idk if laptops come with no rpm modes for GPUs. There is usually insufficient cooling to do that once the core load picks up. But truthfully it sounds like your GPU is having a hard time staying cool and throttling it's performance. Does this happen in every game or certain ones?

i will test be back in some minutes

[Pulsefire]

12 minutes ago, johnt said:

idk if laptops come with no rpm modes for GPUs. There is usually insufficient cooling to do that once the core load picks up. But truthfully it sounds like your GPU is having a hard time staying cool and throttling it's performance. Does this happen in every game or certain ones?

okay I tested another game.

 

GPU usage 100%

Fan is still 0 RPM

GPU temps rose to 91°C and I believe NOW it is throttling. Before it was not.

[johnt]

50 minutes ago, Pulsefire said:

okay I tested another game.

 

GPU usage 100%

Fan is still 0 RPM

GPU temps rose to 91°C and I believe NOW it is throttling. Before it was not.

Hmm are you able to use software to force the fan to run? I'm not familiar with how laptops report data. I can't tell if the software you're using is incorrectly reporting the fan speed or what. Most laptops share fans with the CPU and GPU as they have a single cooling solution, so a 0rpm reading from software doesn't mean anything.

 

How was the performance of the second game you tested?

[Brooksie359]

1 hour ago, Pulsefire said:

all equal load from what i can tell

Yeah unless you are rendering something in blender or some other very optimized workload you really shouldn't see them equally loaded. In games this is especially the case. You should see one thread that has most of the load while the other have less. 

[Pulsefire]

17 hours ago, johnt said:

Hmm are you able to use software to force the fan to run? I'm not familiar with how laptops report data. I can't tell if the software you're using is incorrectly reporting the fan speed or what. Most laptops share fans with the CPU and GPU as they have a single cooling solution, so a 0rpm reading from software doesn't mean anything.

 

How was the performance of the second game you tested?

Very stuttery. I tested Tower of Fantasy on lowest settings. I would get like 140 FPS which is bad enough but then it would frequently drop to like 80-90 FPS in combat.

[Pulsefire]

17 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

Yeah unless you are rendering something in blender or some other very optimized workload you really shouldn't see them equally loaded. In games this is especially the case. You should see one thread that has most of the load while the other have less. 

Well the game in question is only able to use 4 threads. And those 4 threads were pretty much 85%.

[NekoBubbles]

On 10/14/2022 at 12:24 PM, Pulsefire said:

It's laptop MSI GE72VR 7RF Apache Pro

 

i7-7700hq

gtx 1060

16gb ddr4 2400mhz

Your issue isn't the parts not working as intended they are plenty powerful enough its the laptops power supply on your laptop. Most laptops default to be battery use focused over performance this is why so many hardcore gamers and overclockers would never touch a laptop. Is simply the fact the battery and power are their bottleneck in themselves. The only way imo to mitigate your laptops lack of utilization imo is to keep the laptop plugged in. 

[NekoBubbles]

Also using video games 99% of the time are horrible hardware testing for benchmarking hardware FYI. Most video games only use a SINGLE core technically most video games would work just fine on a 2 core cpu. 

Credit: I use to QA test video games and I got to muck around with a lot of PC parts and get paid to see how they would run on video game vertical slice versions. I've seen how AAA games run on a broad spectrum of PC parts and for the most part CPU had very little effect on how most games run so long as your not like expecting great performance from like going up past 1440 or 4K. 

[Pulsefire]

On 10/19/2022 at 1:45 AM, NekoBubbles said:

Your issue isn't the parts not working as intended they are plenty powerful enough its the laptops power supply on your laptop. Most laptops default to be battery use focused over performance this is why so many hardcore gamers and overclockers would never touch a laptop. Is simply the fact the battery and power are their bottleneck in themselves. The only way imo to mitigate your laptops lack of utilization imo is to keep the laptop plugged in. 

It is plugged 24/7

 

I don't use battery, I have power plan for max performance

[NekoBubbles]

On 10/21/2022 at 9:24 PM, Pulsefire said:

It is plugged 24/7

 

I don't use battery, I have power plan for max performance

its heat that is causing the lack of full power. Its the number one reason PC parts don't use their full capacity is often the lack of thermal head room. A great metaphor for your issue is like cooking oneself in a overly efficient sauna. There's cold, warm, comfy hot, and then clearly scorched. The latter being what causes a lot of PC parts in laptops not to run to full capacity even if they are getting full power to them.