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Any Ryzen CPU is severely limited by using single channel RAM (1 RAM stick). That's even more noticeable in CPU bound scenarios which DOTA 2 is.

So, before doing anything else, you need to add 1 more RAM stick. Preferably the same RAM you already have if extremely low budget is a concern.

Better would be some faster RAM, a set of 2 8GB sticks, that would guarantee compatibility since mismatched sticks can have issues.

 

The Ryzen 3 is also a limiting factor. Upgrading to a Ryzen 5 like the 3600, 3600X, 4500, 5500 or 5600 would grant you great results. 

 

After that, maybe the monitor.

Current Setup:
CPU - AMD Ryzen 3 1300x
GPU - ASUS Cerberus GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Advanced Edition 4GB GDDR5 
MOB - B350M Gaming Pro (Micro ATX)
RAM - 1 x 8GB 2400Mhz (HyperX Predator) (2 slots available, only one being used)
PSU - EVGA 500W
Display Monitor - Samsung 23" 60Hz
*(I am not Overclocking, only XMP is enabled)

Hi,
I was hoping to use this forum to gain some knowledge on where I can upgrade.
Keep in mind I am on a budget so going extreme or high end is not really an option for me right now.

Firstly I only play one game and that is Dota 2 (Max FPS 110/120).
Quality is definitely a must, and decent FPS with the right monitor to match.

So I am at the stage where I want to purchase a new monitor but is it worth it with my current setup?
(I really want to use either a 27" or 32" curved or even 34" depending on price)

I do not play any high end games but only Dota 2, however I have seen people play at 4k and the games looks beautiful.
So I guess the question is, what can I do to play this game at a respectable FPS (higher than 60fps of course) and have this impeccable display and experience when playing the game I most enjoy?

Do not get me wrong, this current setup is working for me and plays the game, I just feel that it is time for an upgrade specially with a new monitor, I want to go bigger.
With that said I need to take into consideration all the different variables when it comes to gaming monitors such as:
- Refresh Rates
- Response Times
- Resolution
- Type of cables that will be used (HDMI / DP etc)
- Brands
List goes on.

It has been mentioned that doing a CPU upgrade will benefit as well as using 2x 8GB RAM. (As AMD will benefit using dual RAM instead of one)

Where do I start?
Is it worth buying a new monitor or do I start within the computer?

Quick Note:
I recently played Dota 2 on a Samsung 27" 75Hz monitor and I immediately noticed the color and a slight smoothness and I was impressed. (hence the reason I want to upgrade my monitor)
Would it be worth maybe just saving a bit and going for a 144Hz with my current setup?
As I instantly noticed the jump from 60hz to 75Hz, (If that is the case I should really see and feel the jump from 75Hz to 144Hz)
However I am not hitting 144FPS.
Not 100% sure on what is the next step in moving forward here.

Thank you.

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What were you looking to spend for this?  Personally I'd look at getting the cpu to a 5600, can't remember if b350 supports 5000 series, but I think it does. With the attractive price tag of 149 is is a great value currently. But more importantly you should get a 2x kit of ram asap. You'd be surprised at the perfromance uplift it'll bring 

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Whats your budget for this?

 

Get a new kit of ram, you can get a 2x8gb ddr4 3600mhz kit for pretty cheap. 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VNJtt6/corsair-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-cmk16gx4m2d3600c18

However a b350 board may have issues with those high speeds so you may need to underclock it.

 

Also I would recommend a zen 3 cpu. 5600 or 5600x. Your board supports ryzen 5000, just make sure to update your bios to the latest version first.

If you upgrade your monitor to 144hz then upgrade the cpu first, then ram, then gpu.

 

If you upgrade your graphics card, a radeon rx 6600 would be more than enough and it should have headroom for even higher refresh rates and resolutions. Also if you are willing to wait for the budget options in the rx 7000/rtx 40 series, then you should, you could get much more performance for your money.

 

The difference between 60/75hz and 144hz+ is huge, you will never wanna go back. I would upgrade the monitor first.

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Any Ryzen CPU is severely limited by using single channel RAM (1 RAM stick). That's even more noticeable in CPU bound scenarios which DOTA 2 is.

So, before doing anything else, you need to add 1 more RAM stick. Preferably the same RAM you already have if extremely low budget is a concern.

Better would be some faster RAM, a set of 2 8GB sticks, that would guarantee compatibility since mismatched sticks can have issues.

 

The Ryzen 3 is also a limiting factor. Upgrading to a Ryzen 5 like the 3600, 3600X, 4500, 5500 or 5600 would grant you great results. 

 

After that, maybe the monitor.

M.S.C.E. (M.Sc. Computer Engineering), IT specialist in a hospital, 30+ years of gaming, 20+ years of computer enthusiasm, Geek, Trekkie, anime fan

  • Main PC: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D - EK AIO 360 D-RGB - Arctic Cooling MX-4 - Asus Prime X570-P - 4x8GB DDR4 3200 HyperX Fury CL16 - Sapphire AMD Radeon 6950XT Nitro+ - 1TB Kingston Fury Renegade - 2TB Kingston Fury Renegade - 512GB ADATA SU800 - 960GB Kingston A400 - Seasonic PX-850 850W  - custom black ATX and EPS cables - Fractal Design Define R5 Blackout - Windows 11 x64 23H2 - 3 Arctic Cooling P14 PWM PST - 5 Arctic Cooling P12 PWM PST
  • Peripherals: LG 32GK650F - Dell P2319h - Logitech G Pro X Superlight with Tiger Ice - HyperX Alloy Origins Core (TKL) - EndGame Gear MPC890 - Genius HF 1250B - Akliam PD4 - Sennheiser HD 560s - Simgot EM6L - Truthear Zero - QKZ x HBB - 7Hz Salnotes Zero - Logitech C270 - Behringer PS400 - BM700  - Colormunki Smile - Speedlink Torid - Jysk Stenderup - LG 24x External DVD writer - Konig smart card reader
  • Laptop: Acer E5–575G-386R 15.6" 1080p (i3 6100U + 12GB DDR4 (4GB+8GB) + GeForce 940MX + 256GB nVME) Win 10 Pro x64 22H2 - Logitech G305 + AAA Lithium battery
  • Networking: Asus TUF Gaming AX6000 - Arcadyan ISP router - 35/5 Mbps vDSL
  • TV and gadgets: TCL 50EP680 50" 4K LED + Sharp HT-SB100 75W RMS soundbar - Samsung Galaxy Tab A8 10.1" - OnePlus 9 256GB - Olymous Cameda C-160 - GameBoy Color 
  • Streaming/Server/Storage PC: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - LC-Power LC-CC-120 - MSI B450 Tomahawk Max - 2x4GB ADATA 2666 DDR4 - 120GB Kingston V300 - Toshiba DT01ACA100 1TB - Toshiba DT01ACA200 2TB - 2x WD Green 2TB - Sapphire Pulse AMD Radeon R9 380X - 550W EVGA G3 SuperNova - Chieftec Giga DF-01B - White Shark Spartan X keyboard - Roccat Kone Pure Military Desert strike - Logitech S-220 - Philips 226L
  • Livingroom PC (dad uses): AMD FX 8300 - Arctic Freezer 64 - Asus M5A97 R2.0 Evo - 2x4GB DDR3 1833 Kingston - MSI Radeon HD 7770 1GB OC - 120GB Adata SSD - 500W Fractal Design Essence - DVD-RW - Samsung SM 2253BW - Logitech G710+ - wireless vertical mouse - MS 2.0 speakers
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1 hour ago, 191x7 said:

Any Ryzen CPU is severely limited by using single channel RAM (1 RAM stick). That's even more noticeable in CPU bound scenarios which DOTA 2 is.

So, before doing anything else, you need to add 1 more RAM stick. Preferably the same RAM you already have if extremely low budget is a concern.

Better would be some faster RAM, a set of 2 8GB sticks, that would guarantee compatibility since mismatched sticks can have issues.

 

The Ryzen 3 is also a limiting factor. Upgrading to a Ryzen 5 like the 3600, 3600X, 4500, 5500 or 5600 would grant you great results. 

 

After that, maybe the monitor.

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Will this kit work with my current setup?
I know my MOB supports RAM speeds of 1866/ 2133/ 2400/ 2667(OC)/ 2933(OC)/ 3200(OC)+ MHz
However I am not sure if my CPU will?
At this current moment it is cheaper to start with a RAM upgrade before I do the CPU to the 5000 series.

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2 hours ago, x1300x said:

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Will this kit work with my current setup?
I know my MOB supports RAM speeds of 1866/ 2133/ 2400/ 2667(OC)/ 2933(OC)/ 3200(OC)+ MHz
However I am not sure if my CPU will?
At this current moment it is cheaper to start with a RAM upgrade before I do the CPU to the 5000 series.

I am not a fan of Corsair RAM for Ryzen, their quality isn't up to my standards. But that's besides the point.

 

The RAM should have two XMP (DOCP) profiles, one 3200 and probably 3000 or 2933. If neither of those prove to be stable for you, the RAM will work without XMP at 2400 MHz.

So, even in the worst case, it will be better because of dual channel and more available RAM. And in that case when you upgrade the CPU it will work at 3200 and thus it will be better.

M.S.C.E. (M.Sc. Computer Engineering), IT specialist in a hospital, 30+ years of gaming, 20+ years of computer enthusiasm, Geek, Trekkie, anime fan

  • Main PC: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D - EK AIO 360 D-RGB - Arctic Cooling MX-4 - Asus Prime X570-P - 4x8GB DDR4 3200 HyperX Fury CL16 - Sapphire AMD Radeon 6950XT Nitro+ - 1TB Kingston Fury Renegade - 2TB Kingston Fury Renegade - 512GB ADATA SU800 - 960GB Kingston A400 - Seasonic PX-850 850W  - custom black ATX and EPS cables - Fractal Design Define R5 Blackout - Windows 11 x64 23H2 - 3 Arctic Cooling P14 PWM PST - 5 Arctic Cooling P12 PWM PST
  • Peripherals: LG 32GK650F - Dell P2319h - Logitech G Pro X Superlight with Tiger Ice - HyperX Alloy Origins Core (TKL) - EndGame Gear MPC890 - Genius HF 1250B - Akliam PD4 - Sennheiser HD 560s - Simgot EM6L - Truthear Zero - QKZ x HBB - 7Hz Salnotes Zero - Logitech C270 - Behringer PS400 - BM700  - Colormunki Smile - Speedlink Torid - Jysk Stenderup - LG 24x External DVD writer - Konig smart card reader
  • Laptop: Acer E5–575G-386R 15.6" 1080p (i3 6100U + 12GB DDR4 (4GB+8GB) + GeForce 940MX + 256GB nVME) Win 10 Pro x64 22H2 - Logitech G305 + AAA Lithium battery
  • Networking: Asus TUF Gaming AX6000 - Arcadyan ISP router - 35/5 Mbps vDSL
  • TV and gadgets: TCL 50EP680 50" 4K LED + Sharp HT-SB100 75W RMS soundbar - Samsung Galaxy Tab A8 10.1" - OnePlus 9 256GB - Olymous Cameda C-160 - GameBoy Color 
  • Streaming/Server/Storage PC: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - LC-Power LC-CC-120 - MSI B450 Tomahawk Max - 2x4GB ADATA 2666 DDR4 - 120GB Kingston V300 - Toshiba DT01ACA100 1TB - Toshiba DT01ACA200 2TB - 2x WD Green 2TB - Sapphire Pulse AMD Radeon R9 380X - 550W EVGA G3 SuperNova - Chieftec Giga DF-01B - White Shark Spartan X keyboard - Roccat Kone Pure Military Desert strike - Logitech S-220 - Philips 226L
  • Livingroom PC (dad uses): AMD FX 8300 - Arctic Freezer 64 - Asus M5A97 R2.0 Evo - 2x4GB DDR3 1833 Kingston - MSI Radeon HD 7770 1GB OC - 120GB Adata SSD - 500W Fractal Design Essence - DVD-RW - Samsung SM 2253BW - Logitech G710+ - wireless vertical mouse - MS 2.0 speakers
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