Need some help

[Andrewtst]

1 hour ago, mark_cameron said:

The only real alternative mentioned in this thread has the same (but actually worse score)

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/samsung/43-qn90b-qled#page-verdict

I've got the Gigabyte on order n order arriving tomorrow

Because all model you check is not a good display except the 1st one you cancel - LG C2. They is plenty precaution did by manufacturer now include pixel shifting which means the display will not stay always same as it shift from time to time. Burn-in can happen but it is not that easier happen nowadays. 

 

if 42" is something what I want, I will definitely get the LG C2, if OLED is not an option, I will wait something better in 42" which is Mini-LED with at least 1000+ local dimming zone and surely only RGB pixel layout not BGR. Having 4K is for text clarity but those 4K in BGR text clarity scores is even lower than 1440p which doesn't make sense to me for owning it.

 

Samsung Odyssey Neo G7 is something much much better 4K display but too bad it is not in your preferable screen size as it is only 32".

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/samsung/odyssey-neo-g7-s32bg75

 

or Neo G8 but the coating maybe a bit too matte, also with some issue not appear in Neo G7, against it is only 32"

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/samsung/odyssey-neo-g8-s32bg85

 

I will not pick either Samsung 43 QN90B or Gigabyte AORUS FV43U.

[e22big]

1 hour ago, mark_cameron said:

The only real alternative mentioned in this thread has the same (but actually worse score)

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/samsung/43-qn90b-qled#page-verdict

I've got the Gigabyte on order n order arriving tomorrow

Honestly that QN90B 43 inch is a good alternative though - and arguably a better option. 

 

I am using the Gigabyte 43U. It's 'fine' but definitely not perfect in may area. Dark transition is bad (which mean a a lot dark smearing), viewing angle is abyssmal poor, and there's visible dirty screen effect on solid colour image. But it make up for it in being one of the first affordable HDR 'monitor' in the market. And even then, it's not perfect (but actually worth using)

 

QN90B (43 inch) suffered from all of these issue - and more, but it also has a much stronger advantage in HDR. 300 dimming zones vs 8. And while it's a little worse off in every way, the disadvantages aren't as signficant as the advantages. 

 

If you care about HDR at all, there aren't a lot of reason to go with Gigabyte instead of Samsung. You lose some clarity at 144hz (but most games can't run at that frame rate anyway with the current hardware), and may have to deal with Samsung infamous QC issue (and have to deal with TV hassles), but otherwise QN90B 43 inch is a worthy successor of the FV43U (barely) 

 

*Also if you don't mind even bigger display, you can also go 50 inch. Not sure about the QN90B but the Q90A 50 inches doesn't have black smearing issue and also have a much better viewing angle than FV43U. I've compared these two exact displays personally.

[mark_cameron]

15 hours ago, e22big said:

Honestly that QN90B 43 inch is a good alternative though - and arguably a better option. 

 

I am using the Gigabyte 43U. It's 'fine' but definitely not perfect in may area. Dark transition is bad (which mean a a lot dark smearing), viewing angle is abyssmal poor, and there's visible dirty screen effect on solid colour image. But it make up for it in being one of the first affordable HDR 'monitor' in the market. And even then, it's not perfect (but actually worth using)

 

QN90B (43 inch) suffered from all of these issue - and more, but it also has a much stronger advantage in HDR. 300 dimming zones vs 8. And while it's a little worse off in every way, the disadvantages aren't as signficant as the advantages. 

 

If you care about HDR at all, there aren't a lot of reason to go with Gigabyte instead of Samsung. You lose some clarity at 144hz (but most games can't run at that frame rate anyway with the current hardware), and may have to deal with Samsung infamous QC issue (and have to deal with TV hassles), but otherwise QN90B 43 inch is a worthy successor of the FV43U (barely) 

 

*Also if you don't mind even bigger display, you can also go 50 inch. Not sure about the QN90B but the Q90A 50 inches doesn't have black smearing issue and also have a much better viewing angle than FV43U. I've compared these two exact displays personally.

I'm just in the process of cancelling my order (it hadn't dispatched yet)

I'm changing my order to the Samsung QN90B 43 inch

As I'm very concerned at some of the poor QA issues I've read with Gigabyte

 

[Stahlmann]

16 hours ago, mark_cameron said:

Also needs to borne in mind, I'm retaining at least one of the Samsung S27D850T 27-Inch WQHD Monitor (Black) - (16:9, 1000:1, 350 cd/m², 2560 x 1440, 5 ms, HDMI/DisplayPort)

I'm intending to mount on a VESA arm mount, as a 'reading panel' 

So I think I'll be fine, I've read that there is adjustments that can be made per panel for text clarity (such as Windows ClearType)

From what I've read the BGR thing is common to all > 43" LED screens 

Having a separate 1440p screen as a side panel will help if I have any serious issues.

You can mostly work around non-standard pixel layouts using proper clear-type settings. Also, you're gonna be using scaling most likely. Set that to 125% or 150% and text will be bigger either way. Even my LG OLED which uses WBGR (so even more non-standard than the FV43U) has excellent text clarity when used at 125% scaling and higher with the correct clear-type settings. QD-OLED has bigger problems though and the typical fixes have very mixed results.

[mark_cameron]

8 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

You can mostly work around non-standard pixel layouts using proper clear-type settings. Also, you're gonna be using scaling most likely. Set that to 125% or 150% and text will be bigger either way. Even my LG OLED which uses WBGR (so even more non-standard than the FV43U) has excellent text clarity when used at 125% scaling and higher with the correct clear-type settings. QD-OLED has bigger problems though and the typical fixes have very mixed results.

Related, I'm changing my order to the Samsung QN90B 43 inch

Just cancelling the Gigabyte one now. Hadn't shipped yet

Between you and @e22big you convinced me to change

[Andrewtst]

17 minutes ago, mark_cameron said:

Related, I'm changing my order to the Samsung QN90B 43 inch

Just cancelling the Gigabyte one now. Hadn't shipped yet

Between you and @e22big you convinced me to change

Finally you decide ditch that Gigabyte. It is not good. 

 

QN90B is not perfect but at least the cons on QN90B is not that serious and it is the better choice but I still won't get it.  

 

But no 3rd option, it is good to go for QN90B. At least it is not that Gigabyte. 

 

I just notice text in C2 is bad and now I know why I can't accept my C9 try use as monitor as I always find it look weird, now I finally know why.  Probably they is no OLED for me now as all not using RGB, the only use RGB is 60hz only which is never in my wanted list. 120hz is minimum now for me. 

[e22big]

1 hour ago, mark_cameron said:

I'm just in the process of cancelling my order (it hadn't dispatched yet)

I'm changing my order to the Samsung QN90B 43 inch

As I'm very concerned at some of the poor QA issues I've read with Gigabyte

 

Just keep in mind though that when it comes to monitor, between Samsung and Gigabyte, the former is the one with the poor reputation (including a software update that straight up destroy the HDR hardware)

 

Gigabyte have reputations for PC hardware, PSU, motherboard and GPU but I've never heard any report of reliability issue from from them when it comes to a display. My unit have a minor issue (flickering at start up or when something touch its cable but pretty much perfect otherwise. I've never seen any VA with this good black uniformity and zero bleeding. 

 

Although being an HDR TV with effective FALD mean that QN90B should have pretty good black uniformity as well (as the backlight can be dimmed or turn off a lot more when displaying black image)

[e22big]

1 hour ago, Andrewtst said:

Finally you decide ditch that Gigabyte. It is not good. 

 

QN90B is not perfect but at least the cons on QN90B is not that serious and it is the better choice but I still won't get it.  

 

But no 3rd option, it is good to go for QN90B. At least it is not that Gigabyte. 

 

I just notice text in C2 is bad and now I know why I can't accept my C9 try use as monitor as I always find it look weird, now I finally know why.  Probably they is no OLED for me now as all not using RGB, the only use RGB is 60hz only which is never in my wanted list. 120hz is minimum now for me. 

It has the same cons honestly - and more. Even worse viewing angle, even slower, not as good colour covreage, can't run perfect 144hz

 

But it's pretty cheap, HDR should be a lot better and even brighter, and you don't need to buy a Chromecast to watch Disney in 4k HDR. I agreed and stood by the fact that it's the better option between the two.

[mark_cameron]

32 minutes ago, e22big said:

Just keep in mind though that when it comes to monitor, between Samsung and Gigabyte, the former is the one with the poor reputation (including a software update that straight up destroy the HDR hardware)

 

Gigabyte have reputations for PC hardware, PSU, motherboard and GPU but I've never heard any report of reliability issue from from them when it comes to a display. My unit have a minor issue (flickering at start up or when something touch its cable but pretty much perfect otherwise. I've never seen any VA with this good black uniformity and zero bleeding. 

 

Although being an HDR TV with effective FALD mean that QN90B should have pretty good black uniformity as well (as the backlight can be dimmed or turn off a lot more when displaying black image)

read the Amazon page review for the Gigabyte FV43U and/or online for 'broken pixels' etc

People mentioning how bad the QA is. Widely. https://www.reddit.com/r/gigabyte/comments/nco3xa/fv43u_with_tons_of_dead_pixels/

[Andrewtst]

1 hour ago, e22big said:

It has the same cons honestly - and more. Even worse viewing angle, even slower, not as good colour covreage, can't run perfect 144hz

 

But it's pretty cheap, HDR should be a lot better and even brighter, and you don't need to buy a Chromecast to watch Disney in 4k HDR. I agreed and stood by the fact that it's the better option between the two.

That the reason both I also won't buy. But for that two, it is a bit better.

 

Both is not good for main monitor and not meet my basic requirement and both ain't cheap. 

[mark_cameron]

@Stahlmann Since the Samsung is a HDMI 2.1 connection only, I've purchased a dedicated HDMI 2.1 cable https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B08YD5SL4Y/

Arrives tomorrow. I've got a HDMI2.0 cable here which can use to then, but I know I'm limited to 60 Hz till then. I don't think I have any DisplayPort 1.4 to HDMI adapters. I've got HDMI and DisplayPort to DVI but nothing necessary here for this 4K screen.

Just thought, what the hell get a HDMI2.1 cable. That one on Amazon.co.uk has a lot of good reviews and reasonably priced.

I realise HDMI2.0 isn't going to cut it to get the full capabilities of the display.

 

By the way. I do actually have a thunderbolt 3 PCIe card with thunderbolt 3, I just haven't used...

Thats my GPU so no issues with HDMI2.1 or DisplayPort3
https://rog.asus.com/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-strix/rog-strix-rtx3080ti-o12g-gaming-model/spec/

Like I say. Also have a Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 card 

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GC-TITAN-RIDGE-rev-20#kf

[e22big]

1 hour ago, mark_cameron said:

@Stahlmann Since the Samsung is a HDMI 2.1 connection only, I've purchased a dedicated HDMI 2.1 cable https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B08YD5SL4Y/

Arrives tomorrow. I've got a HDMI2.0 cable here which can use to then, but I know I'm limited to 60 Hz till then. I don't think I have any DisplayPort 1.4 to HDMI adapters. I've got HDMI and DisplayPort to DVI but nothing necessary here for this 4K screen.

Just thought, what the hell get a HDMI2.1 cable. That one on Amazon.co.uk has a lot of good reviews and reasonably priced.

I realise HDMI2.0 isn't going to cut it to get the full capabilities of the display.

 

By the way. I do actually have a thunderbolt 3 PCIe card with thunderbolt 3, I just haven't used...

Thats my GPU so no issues with HDMI2.1 or DisplayPort3
https://rog.asus.com/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-strix/rog-strix-rtx3080ti-o12g-gaming-model/spec/

Like I say. Also have a Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 card 

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GC-TITAN-RIDGE-rev-20#kf

You will definitely need to buy HDMI 2.1 - that's one drawback of using a TV as a monitor I guess, cable don't usually come in the set (at least the Q90A doesn't) 

 

Use HDMI 2.1 with a DP port via adapter will just going to add more complexity to your set up - and it may not work and caused you even more money. I have to switched between a few HDMI 2.1 even for the 3080 to work perfectly with Q90A.

 

Just buy a good one, with a good review, it's not worth your time and your frustration (not even gurantee to save you money.) 

[mark_cameron]

2 hours ago, e22big said:

You will definitely need to buy HDMI 2.1 - that's one drawback of using a TV as a monitor I guess, cable don't usually come in the set (at least the Q90A doesn't) 

 

Use HDMI 2.1 with a DP port via adapter will just going to add more complexity to your set up - and it may not work and caused you even more money. I have to switched between a few HDMI 2.1 even for the 3080 to work perfectly with Q90A.

 

Just buy a good one, with a good review, it's not worth your time and your frustration (not even gurantee to save you money.) 

I just installed the beast (GPU) ready for the monitor setup tomorrow morning

 

Everything is up up and running again PC side before changing monitors 

Edited September 16, 2022 by mark_cameron

[Stahlmann]

4 hours ago, mark_cameron said:

@Stahlmann Since the Samsung is a HDMI 2.1 connection only, I've purchased a dedicated HDMI 2.1 cable https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B08YD5SL4Y/

Arrives tomorrow. I've got a HDMI2.0 cable here which can use to then, but I know I'm limited to 60 Hz till then. I don't think I have any DisplayPort 1.4 to HDMI adapters. I've got HDMI and DisplayPort to DVI but nothing necessary here for this 4K screen.

Just thought, what the hell get a HDMI2.1 cable. That one on Amazon.co.uk has a lot of good reviews and reasonably priced.

I realise HDMI2.0 isn't going to cut it to get the full capabilities of the display.

 

By the way. I do actually have a thunderbolt 3 PCIe card with thunderbolt 3, I just haven't used...

Thats my GPU so no issues with HDMI2.1 or DisplayPort3
https://rog.asus.com/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-strix/rog-strix-rtx3080ti-o12g-gaming-model/spec/

Like I say. Also have a Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 card 

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GC-TITAN-RIDGE-rev-20#kf

The cable you ordered is a certified 2.1 cable, so it should work no problems.

[mark_cameron]

On 9/16/2022 at 9:05 PM, Stahlmann said:

The cable you ordered is a certified 2.1 cable, so it should work no problems.

Ok, its here. Everything installed. Looks like I've got a good one, no broken pixels I can see and/or no backlight issues.

Another issue. I have a HTC VIVE that also requires a HDMI connection.

What do you recommend? My Asus RTX 3080Ti only has one HDMI2.1 thats being used by the tv/monitor.

I have displayport 1.4 cables and/or HDMI 2.0 cables and/or a Thunderbolt 3 card. But just not enough HDMI connections right now...

[mark_cameron]

On 9/16/2022 at 9:05 PM, Stahlmann said:

The cable you ordered is a certified 2.1 cable, so it should work no problems.

Nevermind 

 

HTC Vive has a spare mini display port I can use

https://www.vive.com/uk/support/vive/category_howto/when-to-use-mini-displayport.html

 

The fact I've also got a Titan Ridge thunderbolt 3 gives me so many further options too. It's meaning even though my RTX 3080TI only has one HDMI2.1 

 

I can display port to mini display port to the titan ridge then thunder bolt 3 to hdmi2.0 to the HTC Vive.

 

Alternatively just display port 1.4 to mini display port 1.4 on the Vive

 

Did good getting that thunderbolt 3 card last year. Never used it but got it just in case. Now looks like I will use it. For tv capture card too. 

 

I'm only constrained by what cables I have available...

 

BTW.

 

This thread is fantastic

 

 

[mark_cameron]

LOL  

 

I'm enjoying my Samsung QN90B

 

How much has he spent on that Asus?

 

No doubt. Alot.

[Stahlmann]

10 hours ago, mark_cameron said:

LOL  

 

I'm enjoying my Samsung QN90B

 

How much has he spent on that Asus?

 

No doubt. Alot.

He didn't spend anything. It was a sponsored video. He paid for the 3 monitors with his video coverage.

[mark_cameron]

6 hours ago, Stahlmann said:

He didn't spend anything. It was a sponsored video. He paid for the 3 monitors with his video coverage.

The fact one was dented. Is beyond ironic.