AMD Ryzen temps

[tre4B]

I just recently upgraded my 3900X to a 5950x.  With both these chips Idle temperatures sits between 55 and 65.  I'm not doing any massive overclocking just the standard Auto OC through Ryzen master and my memory runs at an XMP of 1800.  The 3900 was cooled with a 240 AIO, but as I was worried this had evaporated a bit I upgraded to a needless but pretty looking 360, so I do not believe the cooler is an issue.

 

In the old days and other chips I used to see temps in the 30s and 60ish just feels hot to me.  If I turn all the fans up to Max I can push it down to 48/49.

 

My question is should I worry about this or is this normal to this chip?   I was trying for a simple setup initially, it just feels silly when I go on a Teams call and have to turn all the fans to max to keep the temperature under 70!

[PDifolco]

Ryzen idle temps don't mean much, my 5900X idles around 45C wih 25C ambient on a custom loop with 280mm rad

We're talking here Tctl/Tdie "temp" which isn't even an observed temp but a calculated one using CPU temp +  an offset... that is higher the lower the temp is

So what counts is "gaming" and "full load" temps (benchmarks like Cinebench or productivity apps), mine are around 75C so that's good

 

BTW the highest temps for me are when downloading stuff (say some dozens of GB game Steam updates), at 110MB/sec (1Gb Internet) sustained it gets up to 86C !!!

 

 

[Guest]

Is the AIO clean or filled with dust?

I mean the Ryzen 9 especially 5000X series are infernos, they're so it's not really a worry. The AutoOC isn't really worth it as of those chips can easily clock up and clock down by itself well enough.

Not sure if it's the answer you looked at, but I can try my best to help.

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, tre4B said:

I just recently upgraded my 3900X to a 5950x.  With both these chips Idle temperatures sits between 55 and 65.  I'm not doing any massive overclocking just the standard Auto OC through Ryzen master and my memory runs at an XMP of 1800.  The 3900 was cooled with a 240 AIO, but as I was worried this had evaporated a bit I upgraded to a needless but pretty looking 360, so I do not believe the cooler is an issue.

 

In the old days and other chips I used to see temps in the 30s and 60ish just feels hot to me.  If I turn all the fans up to Max I can push it down to 48/49.

 

My question is should I worry about this or is this normal to this chip?   I was trying for a simple setup initially, it just feels silly when I go on a Teams call and have to turn all the fans to max to keep the temperature under 70!

As @PDifolcosaid, it doesn't really matter. If you really want the temp low generally you can undervolt the chip.

[Guest]

I used a 5800X before that was known for being an inferno, it turned to about 90+ Celsius under full load on all cores with a beefy corsair h150i and on a all custom rig. Ryzen 5000 series are just infernos and get stupidly warm sometimes. 

[freeagent]

They don’t run that hot. They run hot when you try to overclock them without enough cooling. Both of my Zen 3 cpus idle down to the mid to upper 20s.

[PDifolco]

2 minutes ago, freeagent said:

They don’t run that hot. They run hot when you try to overclock them without enough cooling. Both of my Zen 3 cpus idle down to the mid to upper 20s.

If you're talking about "actual" CPU die temps I see them idling around 35C (25C ambient, that would be 30C at 20C ambient), but the reported standard "global" CPU temp TCtl/Tdie is around +8C higher...

Do you have PBO on or some voltage tweaks /CO undervolt ? 

[freeagent]

10 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

If you're talking about "actual" CPU die temps I see them idling around 35C (25C ambient, that would be 30C at 20C ambient), but the reported standard "global" CPU temp TCtl/Tdie is around +8C higher...

Do you have PBO on or some voltage tweaks /CO undervolt ? 

Yes, TCtl/Tdie. And yes, PBO/CO and boost over ride are enabled. Using Themalright Ultra 120 Extreme Rev B on 5600X, and FC140 on 5900X.

[tre4B]

1 hour ago, AxS said:

Is the AIO clean or filled with dust?

I mean the Ryzen 9 especially 5000X series are infernos, they're so it's not really a worry. The AutoOC isn't really worth it as of those chips can easily clock up and clock down by itself well enough.

Not sure if it's the answer you looked at, but I can try my best to help.

Brand new out of the box,  the old 240 has a fair bit but for a 7 year old AIO makes no noise so is either still full or totally empty

[tre4B]

Now I am on the 5950x I have the option of trying the Curve Optimiser, as I understand it that will undervolt.   Truth is I probably don't need any overclock on this but put the Auto OC on the 3900x to try and squeeze a little more out of it, before deciding the hassles around AM5 would not work for me this time and to go with a good offer on the 5950, and look at AM5 next year when it has had time to settle.

[Guest]

To be honest if i was you, don't bother the temps are seemingly just alright and normal so not really worth doing much

 

[baronvonsatchel]

55-65 idle seems like a lot to me, but it's not going to hurt the chip. Could just be your motherboard is set to a "quiet" fan curve that doesn't ramp up until the temperature crosses a higher threshold. What matters is the temp under load and you say it's hitting about 90C which sounds about right. I have a 5900X which I cool with an NH-D15, and stress tests put it in the low 90s, but gaming rarely cracks 80.

[GuiltySpark_]

At stock, with average airflow and summer ambient temps, seems fine idle wise. If you're hitting 90c in a stress test with a 360 AIO, something is wrong and your cooling and clocks are likely suffering as a result. Ensure the pump is running at full speed and re-seat the block with a fresh (and adequate) application of thermal paste. 

 

Robert Hallock - Director of Technical Marketing AMD:

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Yes. I want to be clear with everyone that AMD views temps up to 90C (5800X/5900X/5950X) and 95C (5600X) as typical and by design for full load conditions. Having a higher maximum temperature supported by the silicon and firmware allows the CPU to pursue higher and longer boost performance before the algorithm pulls back for thermal reasons. Is it the same as Zen 2 or our competitor? No. But that doesn't mean something is "wrong." These parts are running exactly as-designed, producing the performance results we intend.

 

Also yes, look into CO tuning but to do that right, it can be time consuming.

[baronvonsatchel]

Another possible cause in addition to what GuiltySpark said, if you're really worried about it, is case airflow. If your 360mm radiator is behind a decorative glass front panel that blocks the fans, or you've never cleaned the dust filter for example, that would limit its ability to transfer heat from the coolant to the air. But again, 90C shouldn't be harmful to the system, even if it's higher than you expect for the size of the cooler.

[xg32]

idle temps don't matter much, load as long <90C it'll be fine. My expectations over the year have been shifted over the years by intel and nvidia.

[heatonpkmassive]

If your new AIO is an MSI Mag Coreliquid, that could be the issue, there has been a few that even when new have failed. Hopefully you don't have one of those. 

[tre4B]

I'm using an X11D Evo with 3x120s at the bottom and a 360 Cooler (not the MSI one) at the top Airflow is pretty good and I am running the bottom fans on a slightly faster curve than the top to try and maintain positive pressure.  One of the reasons I was worried about the temps was I wanted to have a gentle curve that kept things quiet, but when the start is 60ish and the top is 90ish it makes the fan spin up abnoxiously noisy and inconsistent

 

I'm starting to think I am monitoring the wrong thing  I am looking at TCTL/TDie,   but I note the CCDs avg temp is about 12degrees lower.  

[freeagent]

6 hours ago, tre4B said:

I'm starting to think I am monitoring the wrong thing  I am looking at TCTL/TDie,   but I note the CCDs avg temp is about 12degrees lower.  

You are right to look at everything, that way you can see the big picture. I do not have boost over ride enabled but I do have custom limits as well as pbo/co enabled. You can literally see all of my settings in that cap.