Consept on windows 12

[LeoR]

IT Looks So Cool Why Cant Microsoft be like this. like what

[jaslion]

Because ui design is a bich. But also they are internally such a mess with massive lack of communication between departments that to this day you have windows classic styled ui that can be found easily.

 

You have to keep in mind that ms as close back as 2 years ago uses the internal competition strategy for development which does not encourage cohesion. That and a crapton of code is so old and nobody knows how it functions so any changes can have disasturous impact. Hence why we still have old control panel in windows 11 sort off. Same with other software like the old photo viewer.

[manikyath]

because microsoft is a company that has to ship a working product, not a youtube channel that exists of hype videos like "windows 13 concept" (because yes, that is a video in their back catalog already).

[Fasauceome]

This looks to be taking a lot of design cues from macOS. Sleeker, rounder, some nice fancy color pallets, etc. The menus look kinda similar too throughout the process. 

 

Would it be nice if microsoft made their OS look cool like this? Sure. But, I would prefer that they make their OS more functional first. Perhaps don't restart my PC automatically and wake it from sleep without my permission? Would be a nice start.

[GoodBytes]

5 hours ago, LeoR said:

IT Looks So Cool Why Cant Microsoft be like this. like what

• Looking at the first part of the video: Everything looks nice when you have the drivers for your GPU. The reality of things is that, like the OOBE experience under Windows 11, it only looks nice, and animates smoothly, under OEM built systems and system using Intel integrated graphics (maybe AMD APUs, I don't know). Nvidia and AMD dedicated GPU drivers aren't built-in OS, neither manufacture wants that. So well, they are not included. As for OEMs, well, they inject the drivers of the GPU in the recovery image/disks. And of course, when you turn on the system for the first time, as a consumer who just bought the OEM device, all drivers are setup by the manufacturer through Audit mode.
  
  Worse is at the setup page, as you have NO drivers, beside storage, and basic display drivers. Basic display drivers are following a standard agreed amongst all GPU manufactures to support. These are VERY hard to agree upon, and it doesn't help that these need to be exposed to the outside. No proprietary parts. So, as a result, all we could have is a display out, with a limited screen resolution, 60Hz, and no 3D nor even 2D acceleration.
  
  All to say, if Microsoft does this, assuming Nvidia and AMD are still reluctant to include their drivers with the OS, the setup experience would be a choppy mess with all these animations.
   
• If you really want to understand what it involves, I invite you to check out how UI coding side of things. But essentially, like it was said by others on top, UI animations and all that are a serious challenge and VERY time consuming. If you were even parts of Microsoft beta programs in the past OS or even with Win11, Microsoft takes MONTHS just to work on and fine tune the window animations. And this is not "Oh! Microsoft. you are poorly organized" or whatever... No, it is very time consuming. So how does it work with mobile apps? Or Apple? well, they use frameworks built-in house to give developers flows pre-made, like smooth scrolling and the edge scroll animation to say you reached the end, and so on... This is a whole team of people developing this. So great! You say, why doesn't Microsoft do the same? Well, they are... UWP (now WinUI3... which isn't officially out yet, but used internally)! But framework, costs system resources. And Microsoft isn't Apple, and it doesn't have the same user-based mentality. Microsoft has to cater to the lowest common denominator in the PC space. And when they try to move the bar... well... You have Windows 11. If it was Google for some new Android version, or Apple, sure no problem! They'll welcome upgrading or replacing their device with welcome arms. But Microsoft gets an angry mob.
   
• The installation and boot time is slllllllooooowwww. The UI guy clearly is on a system that is 14 years old, predating UEFI. Windows boots near instantly (~5sec) from the moment you hit the power button to the desktop, since Windows 8 (assuming the system has a decent SSD). Most of these animations would barely be noticed by the end user.
   
• The desktop experiences suggested are horrible. The author of this concept clearly aimed at fusing iPad OS with Windows. Which is an interesting idea, but again, now we fall under Windows 8 territories. It assumes the same assumption that Microsoft did when Win8 was in development: Desktop and Laptops would die by the time the OS will be released for the most part, and tablets would take over (or convertible devices)
   
• The animations are too slow (opening a window, right-click and so on). A complaint that peoples had from Windows users going to Mac in the past. Where the animations were like movies playing in comparison to the snappy experience of Windows. Apple obviously improved that years ago, as I think they thought it was a bit too excessive. At the end of the day, you have to remember that a computer is a tool for people. And while animations permit understanding of what is going on, it should be snappy and not be in the way. So, yes, it is a balance.
   
• The rest of the desktop experience, it is Windows 11 already... the author just readapted it to his concept... so, we already have this. Start button, Serach button animations, even the Settings icons in built-in apps:
  https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2022/3/24/22994423/windows-11-notepad-app-spin-gear-settings
   
• Some animations are impossible. Like winver. You are opening an app (winver), it has no context of the outside world. It can't access the outside world it is in (security breach). That panel would need to be part of the UI (explorer.exe / shell32.dll), but that means that you'll have consistency problems with other apps who won't be able to do this. And what happens with large displays where the version window panel is far away, that animation will occupy the whole environment as it plays out. You don't want that. It didn't resonate with people with Windows 8, it won't resonate now.
   
• What is the point of the action center CPU model showing at the bottom? I don't get it... How is that useful to anyone?
• The shutdown/restart/log-off button on the Start menu is also prone to accidental click. No prompts when selected. I know there is no prompt under Windows, currently, but it is under a sub menu. Imagine if you do Alt+F4 to close your programs, and you hit one too many times, or you press and hold to just close everything, and shutdown your system. People will think their computer is broken.