Upgrade path for high end system

[Zalosath]

Budget (including currency): £4000

Country: England

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Mostly gaming, I like to max my settings. I do a lot of programming too, and some of that involves AI, including but not limited to neural networks.

Other details: 

My current system:

CPU AMD Ryzen 9 3900X with Corsair H150i PRO 

GPU NVIDIA 3090 Founders Edition 

MBD MSI MPG X570 GAMING EDGE WIFI 

RAM Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB (4x8GB)  

PSU Corsair RMx 850W 80+ Gold Fully Modular 

 

I'm fancying an upgrade, I've noticed some performance problems here and there recently and I wonder if my system is bottlenecked somewhere.

My thinking is to replace the CPU with a 5950X, I wonder if I'd also need to replace the cooler if I did that, what are your thoughts?

I've heard a lot of bad about my motherboard too, is it time I replace that too? Or would it be preferable to wait for further DDR5 adoption and upgrade then?

And what about PSU? Do you think it could be a problem, particularly if I upgrade the CPU?

 

I'm absolutely not looking to spend the whole budget but it's there if needed.

 

Cheers!

[TylerD321]

You could wait for Ryzen 7950x and DDR5 capability. That should come out later this year.

[rippy4500]

wait for next gen gpus and cpus, you wont get much of an upgrade over your 3900x with ryzen 5000 or intel 12th gen.

[Zalosath]

3 minutes ago, TylerD321 said:

You could wait for Ryzen 7950x and DDR5 capability. That should come out later this year.

3 minutes ago, rippy4500 said:

wait for next gen gpus and cpus, you wont get much of an upgrade over your 3900x with ryzen 5000 or intel 12th gen.

Brill, thank you both.

 

Do you reckon I'll need a new PSU if I upgrade to the 7000 series & DDR5? Or will 850W be okay?

[Pixelfie]

5 minutes ago, Zalosath said:

Brill, thank you both.

 

Do you reckon I'll need a new PSU if I upgrade to the 7000 series & DDR5? Or will 850W be okay?

Probably fine, but can't say it 100% for sure since we don't know the power draw of the next generation CPU's.

[TylerD321]

3 minutes ago, Zalosath said:

Brill, thank you both.

 

Do you reckon I'll need a new PSU if I upgrade to the 7000 series & DDR5? Or will 850W be okay?

Realistically 850 should probably be fine, but it would never hurt to have 1000w psu.

 

Since you would already have to upgrade cpu, memory, and motherboard, at that point you may as well just build a brand new computer and have two. Just move the 3090 to new PC and whenever you decide to upgrade GPU move it back. You'd want a cheap gpu to through in your spare pc though since 3900x doesn't have integrated graphics. Could even host your own game servers in your house!

[rippy4500]

3 minutes ago, Zalosath said:

Brill, thank you both.

 

Do you reckon I'll need a new PSU if I upgrade to the 7000 series & DDR5? Or will 850W be okay?

Should be fine. If you upgrade your gpu to rtx 4000 or radeon 7000 it might be more of an issue, they are rumored to draw tons of power, we will have to wait and see though.

 

Also if you want more performance you should try tuning the system you already have, there are tons of things you can do to increase fps, reduce input lag, etc.

[Zalosath]

5 minutes ago, Pixelfie said:

Probably fine, but can't say it 100% for sure since we don't know the power draw of the next generation CPU's.

Sweet, thanks.

 

5 minutes ago, TylerD321 said:

Realistically 850 should probably be fine, but it would never hurt to have 1000w psu.

 

Since you would already have to upgrade cpu, memory, and motherboard, at that point you may as well just build a brand new computer and have two. Just move the 3090 to new PC and whenever you decide to upgrade GPU move it back. You'd want a cheap gpu to through in your spare pc though since 3900x doesn't have integrated graphics. Could even host your own game servers in your house!

Cool idea! That'll be one powerful second system if I upgrade my GPU too 

 

4 minutes ago, rippy4500 said:

Should be fine. If you upgrade your gpu to rtx 4000 or radeon 7000 it might be more of an issue, they are rumored to draw tons of power, we will have to wait and see though.

 

Also if you want more performance you should try tuning the system you already have, there are tons of things you can do to increase fps, reduce input lag, etc.

I'm not necessarily looking for better FPS or reduced input lag, the issues I'm seeing are mainly for the windows (11) search, which for some reason takes 10 seconds to search for anything, (I run my OS on a SanDisk Extreme Pro NVMe SSD) and sometimes my entire system will just stall for a second, it's very occasional and mostly only happens when I have things going on in the background, but it can be annoying!

[rippy4500]

Just now, Zalosath said:

I'm not necessarily looking for better FPS or reduced input lag, the issues I'm seeing are mainly for the windows (11) search, which for some reason takes 10 seconds to search for anything, (I run my OS on a SanDisk Extreme Pro NVMe SSD) and sometimes my entire system will just stall for a second, it's very occasional and mostly only happens when I have things going on in the background, but it can be annoying!

Get rid of anything uneccesary that is running in the background and install drivers if you havent.

Windows 11 still has lots of issues, I would downgrade back to 10 if you are able to.

[Zalosath]

14 minutes ago, rippy4500 said:

Get rid of anything uneccesary that is running in the background and install drivers if you havent.

Windows 11 still has lots of issues, I would downgrade back to 10 if you are able to.

Ah I don't know if I can anymore, I quite like everything else, it's a shame it's not optimized well. 

 

The search lag could be due to two HDDs that I have, but they're for mass storage, maybe there's a way to speed up their indexing, defrag says they're fine.

[jones177]

1 minute ago, Zalosath said:

Ah I don't know if I can anymore, I quite like everything else, it's a shame it's not optimized well. 

 

The search lag could be due to two HDDs that I have, but they're for mass storage, maybe there's a way to speed up their indexing, defrag says they're fine.

 

47 minutes ago, Zalosath said:

Budget (including currency): £4000

Country: England

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Mostly gaming, I like to max my settings. I do a lot of programming too, and some of that involves AI, including but not limited to neural networks.

Other details: 

My current system:

CPU AMD Ryzen 9 3900X with Corsair H150i PRO 

GPU NVIDIA 3090 Founders Edition 

MBD MSI MPG X570 GAMING EDGE WIFI 

RAM Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB (4x8GB)  

PSU Corsair RMx 850W 80+ Gold Fully Modular 

 

I'm fancying an upgrade, I've noticed some performance problems here and there recently and I wonder if my system is bottlenecked somewhere.

My thinking is to replace the CPU with a 5950X, I wonder if I'd also need to replace the cooler if I did that, what are your thoughts?

I've heard a lot of bad about my motherboard too, is it time I replace that too? Or would it be preferable to wait for further DDR5 adoption and upgrade then?

And what about PSU? Do you think it could be a problem, particularly if I upgrade the CPU?

 

I'm absolutely not looking to spend the whole budget but it's there if needed.

 

Cheers!

With a 3090 you will benefit from a CPU upgrade to a 5900x. If you had a 3070 you would not.

I would not go with a 5950x unless you need the cores and want to replace you motherboard. 

 

Your AIO is fine if you are happy with the temps.

 

Your motherboard is not one I would buy, but if you are having no issues with it, keep it until you do. It is a good reason not the buy a 5950x and go with a 5900x. 

 

With a PSU go with what you have until it becomes a problem.

 

Since you are 1440p gamer a DDR 5 system may be more beneficial to you but that is an upgrade for next year.

I play at 4k so GPU bound with the fastest CPUs that are available are now. That may not change with next gen so I am on the fence when it comes to a DDR5 system.

 

As for your HDDs.

Your system is as slow as the slowest drive on it thanks to Windows.  So it is best to have HDDs remote. 

I replaced mine with SATA SSDs and now I am starting the process of replacing those.

I am now feeling the difference with PCIe 4 drives since I have it in 2 computers.  My older systems that don't have it don't feel fast any more.  

 

An upgrade I would do is go OLED. I have nice monitors like my LG 3840 X 1600 ultrawide but they don't come close to the OLEDs for gaming.

 

 

 

[Zalosath]

26 minutes ago, jones177 said:

 

With a 3090 you will benefit from a CPU upgrade to a 5900x. If you had a 3070 you would not.

I would not go with a 5950x unless you need the cores and want to replace you motherboard. 

 

Your AIO is fine if you are happy with the temps.

 

Your motherboard is not one I would buy, but if you are having no issues with it, keep it until you do. It is a good reason not the buy a 5950x and go with a 5900x. 

 

With a PSU go with what you have until it becomes a problem.

 

Since you are 1440p gamer a DDR 5 system may be more beneficial to you but that is an upgrade for next year.

I play at 4k so GPU bound with the fastest CPUs that are available are now. That may not change with next gen so I am on the fence when it comes to a DDR5 system.

 

As for your HDDs.

Your system is as slow as the slowest drive on it thanks to Windows.  So it is best to have HDDs remote. 

I replaced mine with SATA SSDs and now I am starting the process of replacing those.

I am now feeling the difference with PCIe 4 drives since I have it in 2 computers.  My older systems that don't have it don't feel fast any more.  

 

An upgrade I would do is go OLED. I have nice monitors like my LG 3840 X 1600 ultrawide but they don't come close to the OLEDs for gaming.

 

 

 

Yeah honestly now comparing the 5900X and 5950X, for the price I see no reason to go for the 5950X. I did originally do 4K gaming but, even with the 3090, it just wasn't viable, especially in unoptimized games like ARK, which I was into at the time. 

The extra 4 cores would be great to have but for £150 more... it feels like a bad financial decision.

Would you suggest instead waiting for the 7000 series?

 

I have been looking into getting a small NAS to sit beside my PC, I have a few questions if you know the answers:

Could I access the NAS by directly connecting the ethernet to my PC? (I'd need a PCIe card for an additional ethernet port)

Even better, is there a way to run both the NAS and my PC from the same ethernet cable from the router downstairs? Maybe a small scale switch?

Will it matter from a hobbiest point of view that my drives aren't designed to go in a NAS? I recognize that there are drives like IronWolf Pro's that are specifically designed for the kind of application. I simply use Seagate Computes.

Would it be advisable to get more bays than currently required in case I need more storage in the future, or, would upgrading the existing drives be favourable?

 

As for OLED, it's definitely something I've considered in the past, the clarity for me doesn't justify the extra cost, I have moderately bad eyesight so small percentage gains in clarity I probably won't notice. Unless there's another reason to consider that I'm not aware of?

 

Cheers!